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#2321 Rich T Bikkies

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Posted 12 August 2018 - 05:06 PM

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Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani said Sunday that he definitely didn’t say what he said President Donald Trump said last month, but that if he did say what he said Trump said — which he did — he was saying what former FBI Director James Comey said Trump said, and that he would never have said Trump said that himself.

Massive respect, counsellor! Not quite in the Donald Rumsfeld class, but I think it would work pretty well if encoded with a Venn diagram (or better, predicate calculus).
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Posted 13 August 2018 - 10:18 AM

More like a torus? Or that topological shape that inverts on itself-forget the name.
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#2323 Rich T Bikkies

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Posted 13 August 2018 - 10:30 AM

The Klein bottle? Möbius strip?
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Posted 13 August 2018 - 11:02 AM

Yup, the Klein bottle, thanks. The mobius strip is too linear. That guy is inverted. His head really is up his ass.
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Posted 14 August 2018 - 10:09 AM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 13 August 2018 - 10:30 AM, said:

The Klein bottle?

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Posted 14 August 2018 - 12:46 PM

Manafort's defense rests. It sounds like all they had in their bucket was denial and attacking the credibility of witnesses against him.

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Lawyers representing Paul Manafort have rested their case in his financial crimes trial. The defense did not call any witnesses or present any evidence.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 14 August 2018 - 01:12 PM

Tomasky explains Rudy Giuliani's strategy to tear down the laws of our nation because they aren't working for Trump. It's disgusting but you need to read the connections between Giuliani, some names he's floated to "investigate" Mueller, and Turkey's Erdogan destruction of law in that nation. If you're not terrified then you aren't paying attention.

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So now we have the former lawman Rudy Giuliani arguing daily to the American people that their country’s laws and legal processes are illegitimate.

Collusion, he now says, is not a crime. President Trump never told James Comey to go easy on Michael Flynn, he avers, contradicting Comey, witnesses who confirm that Trump told everybody but Comey to leave the room on the fateful night—and not least of all, himself. Robert Mueller can’t possibly have anything on Trump. On Fox, Giuliani actually spoke the sentence: “The president’s an honest man.”

We know what all this is about. He understands that his client, as the president of the United States, can’t face indictment and trial in the normal way any other American citizen can. The legal system can’t catch up with him, at least while he’s president. Only the political system can. Congressional action is the only remedy for a lawless president. And Congress obeys (in theory) the will of the people. Get the people to hate the law, to believe that the law itself is lawless, and the people’s representatives will be cowed into inaction.

So that’s what Giuliani is up to: He, a former federal prosecutor, is trying to get the mob to destroy the law.

And now, as of Monday morning, he’s gone a step further. On Twitter he called on Jeff Sessions to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the special prosecutor, and he even offered up two names: former Attorney General Michael Mukasey and former FBI director Louis Freeh.

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Posted 14 August 2018 - 02:25 PM

Manfort's lawyers aren't even presenting a defense in his first criminal trial. I did not see that coming. Not at all sure what it is about.

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Posted 14 August 2018 - 02:28 PM

 indy, on 14 August 2018 - 02:25 PM, said:

Manfort's lawyers aren't even presenting a defense in his first criminal trial. I did not see that coming. Not at all sure what it is about.
He is ready to head straight into the pardon round of the game show
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Posted 14 August 2018 - 02:35 PM

No defense evidence from Manafort: he didn't have much, if anything. If he puts any witness on and doesn't testify himself it looks particularly bad. Many legal observers were not surprised.

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Posted 14 August 2018 - 07:24 PM

What is Manafort doing? A pardon on this set of charges won't have any impact on the upcoming trial on other issues will it? Or is this lack of defense a sign that he's going to start cooperating on the real Russian part of this investigation?

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Posted 14 August 2018 - 09:13 PM

I read one account (don't remember where exactly) that interviewed a few people knowledgeable about this sort of thing, and apparently they weren't surprised. I'm not sure it's necessarily foreseeing pardon, although I'm sure the defendant would consider that a welcome development.
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Posted 15 August 2018 - 11:00 AM

View Postindy, on 14 August 2018 - 02:25 PM, said:

Manfort's lawyers aren't even presenting a defense in his first criminal trial. I did not see that coming. Not at all sure what it is about.
The best legal defense money can buy, can't even call a single witness.
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Posted 15 August 2018 - 11:37 AM

View PostDCoronata, on 15 August 2018 - 11:00 AM, said:

The best legal defense money can buy, can't even call a single witness.

Maybe they're good enough to realize that any witnesses they could call are liable to make things worse?
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Posted 15 August 2018 - 11:42 AM

View Postbaw1064, on 15 August 2018 - 11:37 AM, said:

Maybe they're good enough to realize that any witnesses they could call are liable to make things worse?

I heard a former prosecutor interviewed on this point. He said defense lawyers believe that putting on a weak defense, trying to chip away at bits and pieces, is worse than not putting one on at all.

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Posted 15 August 2018 - 12:04 PM

More obstruction of justice, this by Steve Mnuchin and Treasury.

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The Treasury Department has gone to unprecedented lengths to avoid responding to financial record requests and other inquiries related to the Russia probe from the Senate Intelligence Committee, Buzzfeed reported.

According to emails obtained by Buzzfeed, the Treasury Department in one instance stalled to respond to a committee request for documents — primarily suspicious activity reports — for four months and outright dismissed the committee’s request for an expert to help untangle financial records.

The delays have led some personnel within the department to believe the reluctance is intentional, Buzzfeed reported.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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