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Democrats Have to Do What They Haven't - Fight for What They Want


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#201 AnBr

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Posted 30 March 2021 - 09:55 AM

View Postandydp, on 30 March 2021 - 08:55 AM, said:

I'm glad they learned from the Obama years not to try and "play nice". Just get the stuff done without the "B" team. Bonus points: I love watching the (usual) GOP (suspects) squirm and complain about it.

Of course the inability to advance any legislation because of trying to hold out for bipartisan cooperation via compromises, concessions, etc. with a completely intransigent opposition is exactly why some casual observers form the silly notion that "both parties are the same" and both parties won't help the people.

It is about f*cking time the Dems follow LFC's line in his sig, "That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome" and treat the GOP as little more than that obstacle to overcome. Should have started doing it back in Gingrich's day. GOP delenda est.
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Posted 30 March 2021 - 10:40 AM

View PostAnBr, on 30 March 2021 - 09:55 AM, said:

Of course the inability to advance any legislation because of trying to hold out for bipartisan cooperation via compromises, concessions, etc. with a completely intransigent opposition is exactly why some casual observers form the silly notion that "both parties are the same" and both parties won't help the people.

I love that line that was approximately, "If you think both sides are part of the problem then you just have to admit you don't know a thing about politics."
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"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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Posted 30 March 2021 - 10:49 AM

View PostLFC, on 30 March 2021 - 10:40 AM, said:

I love that line that was approximately, "If you think both sides are part of the problem then you just have to admit you don't know a thing about politics."

Both sides are a problem. One creates the problem, the other meekly gives in. [1]

[1] it's mildly funny but I don't really believe it.

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Posted 30 March 2021 - 10:58 AM

If the last five years of the GOP didn't supply enough democrats with 'aha' moments, nothing ever would.

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Posted 31 March 2021 - 03:41 PM

The Democrats have learned.

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In 2009, Republicans from Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) to Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) to Rep. Steve Scalise (R-LA) took credit for improvements to their states funded by former President Barack Obama’s $787 billion stimulus bill in 2009 — legislation all three of them voted against.

Those three, all current members of Republican party leadership, are not unique. ThinkProgress tracked 114 lawmakers who voted against the stimulus bill, only to later take credit for what it did.

Obama was irked.

“I have to point out, though, that some of the very same folks in Congress who opposed the Recovery Act — and claim that it hasn’t worked — have been all too happy to claim credit for Recovery Act projects and the jobs those projects have produced,” he said at a town hall in New Hampshire in 2010. “They come to the ribbon-cuttings. They found a way to have their cake and vote against it, too.”

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), who was the speaker then, too, is loath to let it happen again.

She started messaging about Republicans taking credit for the American Rescue Plan, the $1.9 trillion COVID-19 relief bill that all of them ultimately voted against, before it even passed. She’s favored variations of Obama’s line with her own sing-songy spin: “They’ve now resorted to voting no, taking the dough, and showing up at the ribbon cutting.”

And her office has been aggressive, blasting out press releases every time a Republican even inches close to taking credit for what’s in the package.

So far, the Republican credit-takers have been generally less shameless than they were a decade ago. That reticence may stem from watching Sen. Roger Wicker (R-MS) get absolutely pulverized on Twitter for touting a provision of the package the day the House passed it and sent it to President Joe Biden’s desk.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer





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