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#41 LFC

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 02:58 PM

Liz Warren tells Faux News to go pound sand. YES! Don't give them a fig leaf of respectability.

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Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) has turned down the offer to participate in a town hall on Fox News, saying she’d take a “hard pass” of the “hate-for-profit racket.”

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 07:26 AM

Tomasky follows up on the Democrats' failure to fight effectively. He describes something he calls "learned helplessness" from previous losses though he does say they Dems aren't as bad as they were in the 90s. He also gives a few suggestions of attacks they can start on now.

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Here are three things off the top of my head they could do right now:

1. Have a hearing, next week, in which they bring up as many Republican political operatives and campaign officials, and even former Republican elected officials, as they can who will be willing to say to a House committee: “No, the president is wrong. I never have and never would do something like that. I would go directly to the FBI.” Depending on who agreed to do this, this could generate a lot of coverage and ratchet up the pressure on congressional Republicans to say what’s true, or at least make them look worse if they don’t.

2. Those 1,000-plus prosecutors who signed that letter saying Trump obstructed justice? Get a parade of them up there testifying. Especially the Republicans. A lot of Republicans signed that letter, so presumably they’d be willing to get up there and talk. This too could have great PR benefits.

3. Given that a healthy percentage of Americans may not know what’s in the Mueller Report, why not have a week’s worth of hearings simply telling the American people what’s in the report? This is just a matter of skillfully staged theater with the right witnesses. It won’t change the world, but drip drip drip.

There are a dozen other things like this they could do. A quick daily press conference aimed at McConnell. Try to get ex-Trump officials up to testify. Kirstjen Nielsen, who once said she saw “no evidence” the Russians were trying to help the Republicans? Where is she? Experts on foreign interference in our elections. How about five or six of them? Kellyanne Conway won’t leave even after the the Office of Special Counsel recommended removing her Thursday for her repeated violations of the House Act? Don’t move on, hold hearings and spotlight the corruption.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 10 July 2019 - 11:44 AM

It was refreshing to see two takedowns by Democrats today. The GOP hasn't figured out these new kids on the block aren’t taking any crap and will respond in kind

First Kelly Anne "Distraction Becky" Conway gets told off:

Democratic Rep. Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts laid into White House counselor Kellyanne Conway on Twitter after Conway made remarks about her and her progressive colleagues.

"Major Meow Mashup with [House Speaker Nancy Pelosi] brushing back anti-humanitarian border aid fresh-women [Democratic Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley, and Rashida Tlaib]," Conway said on Twitter.
Pressley responded with a negative nickname for Conway and made note of the Trump administration's previous policy of separating undocumented migrants' children from their parents
"[Conway], oh hi Distraction Becky," Pressley tweeted. "Remember that time your boss tore babies from their mothers' arms and threw them in cages? Yeah take a seat and keep my name out of your lying mouth."

https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartandhp


Not to be outdone Rep Oman laid into Tucker Carlson

Ilhan Omar slammed Fox host Tucker Carlson as 'a racist fool' after he called her 'living proof' of immigration's dangers



Congresswoman Ilhan Omar clapped back at Fox News host Tucker Carlson for a segment on his show Tuesday night that called her "living proof" of the dangers of immigration.
In the Tuesday night segment, Carlson said, "So be grateful for Ilhan Omar, annoying as she is. She's a living fire alarm, a warning to the rest of us. We better change our immigration system immediately or else.
"Not gonna lie, it's kinda fun watching a racist fool like this weeping about my presence in Congress," Omar tweeted.
She added: "No lies will stamp out my love for this country or my resolve to make our union more perfect. They will just have to get used to calling me Congresswoman!"

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Posted 10 July 2019 - 01:48 PM

Not too bad, but AOC really should give an in-service on Twitter management.
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Posted 11 July 2019 - 08:10 AM

More on the Omar Carlson war of words/intellect.

Before we think Mr Carslon has an advantage because of his show, a repeat of Michael Avenatti's comment to Carlson is needed:

"How can you be so stupid and have your own show ?"


Carlson responds to Omar: It's not about race

"They didn't rebut our points, or even acknowledge them. They just tried to silence us. That's how they operate. And of course they called us racist. On one level, that's amusing, given how absurd the charge is," Carlson said Wednesday night, referring to renewed calls for advertisers to pull out of Fox News segments.


Once again, "follow the money".


Omar told reporters Wednesday morning she believes Carlson is a "racist fool." She later joined Bend the Arc, a progressive Jewish group, in calling out advertisers who enable a "nightly platform to white supremacist rhetoric."



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If you've got public schools paid for by taxpayers, you're in a socialist nation. If you have public roads paid for by taxpayers, socialist nation. If you've got public defense (police, fire, military, coast guard) paid for by tax dollars, socialist nation. If you're in a nation that has nationalized or localized delivery of services that are not paid for by users alone, you're in a socialist nation- the only question is how socialist. As I see it, we have the military pay to protecting the shipping lanes for our fuel needs which makes up very socialist. In a capitalist nation, the people supplying the oil would pay for their own defense force.


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Posted 11 July 2019 - 10:40 AM

View Postandydp, on 11 July 2019 - 08:10 AM, said:

"They didn't rebut our points, or even acknowledge them."

Sorry, Tucker, but that's how you get treated when you work for the Ministry of Propaganda. You threw away any shred of credibility you might have had long ago. There's no longer any reason to acknowledge any point of your's other than the one that is on the top of your white hood or your head.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 11 July 2019 - 03:58 PM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 10 July 2019 - 01:48 PM, said:

Not too bad, but AOC really should give an in-service on Twitter management.

"NOT GOING TO BE POPULAR" ALERT:

Her social media accounts may have a good following, but the reality is that she is but one freshman Rep out of 435. She and her Squad aren't making friends, but enemies, within their own party/caucus. Quite frankly, I am a bit tired (already/again) of AOC an The Squad. In a closed door meeting, the Speake of the House- duly elected leader of the Democrat Reps- spoke to them about trashing their fellow Dems on Twitter.

All hell breaks loose, and of course- the race card! Pelosi is targeting women/people of color. And then The Squad starts babbling segregationist etc. O. M. G.

Listen up, Squad- if you want to be Mean Girls on the Internet/operate differently, at least be factual. And I have three question's for y'all:

1. With 89 Democratic Reps that are women and- yikes- maybe white, why is it that you haven't offered any of them a seat at your table? Lotta flaming liberals in that number

2. If Twitter Government with a nasty twinge is bad from Trump, them WTF, ladies?

3. Did you get elected for change, or just to build your own social media platforms?

I'm not the only one out there. Was listening to Julie Mason (Press Pool- Sirius) today. A listener tweeted the most hilarious question:

What will the Squad do next- try to make "Fetch" happen? Mr. and I laughed so hard I thought we should pull over.

See- that's a young person reference to the movie "Mean Girls". The Squad gets it...
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Posted 11 July 2019 - 04:55 PM

View PostPractical Girl, on 11 July 2019 - 03:58 PM, said:

"NOT GOING TO BE POPULAR" ALERT:

Her social media accounts may have a good following, but the reality is that she is but one freshman Rep out of 435. She and her Squad aren't making friends, but enemies, within their own party/caucus. Quite frankly, I am a bit tired (already/again) of AOC an The Squad. In a closed door meeting, the Speake of the House- duly elected leader of the Democrat Reps- spoke to them about trashing their fellow Dems on Twitter.

Granting all that, she handles the media with skill. It is a skill that is worth transmitting.
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Posted 11 July 2019 - 08:43 PM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 11 July 2019 - 04:55 PM, said:

Granting all that, she handles the media with skill. It is a skill that is worth transmitting.

Then let her go get a job as a media trainer. In the US Congress, we, um, need something more.
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“A republic,” Franklin said, “if you can keep it.”


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Posted 12 July 2019 - 09:59 AM

We totally need less Democrats making waves and more that are complete pushovers.
Well, fuck.

How can I be expected to distinguish BS from reality when so much of my reality is utter BS?!

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Posted 12 July 2019 - 10:14 AM

 HockeyDon, on 12 July 2019 - 09:59 AM, said:

We totally need less Democrats making waves and more that are complete pushovers.

I agree. They just need to understand who the most important targets are ... unlike some of the Berniebots.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 12 July 2019 - 10:36 AM

AOC's use of the race card was obnoxious and betrayed her lack of principles. Or maybe just her sheer inexperience at working with others.

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Posted 12 July 2019 - 11:16 AM

 LFC, on 12 July 2019 - 10:14 AM, said:

I agree. They just need to understand who the most important targets are ... unlike some of the Berniebots.

I was employing teh sarcasm. The more I hear comments like "know your place" and "shut up and follow our lead" the more I think of the age-old Democratic strategy of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Well, fuck.

How can I be expected to distinguish BS from reality when so much of my reality is utter BS?!

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Posted 12 July 2019 - 12:01 PM

 HockeyDon, on 12 July 2019 - 11:16 AM, said:

I was employing teh sarcasm. The more I hear comments like "know your place" and "shut up and follow our lead" the more I think of the age-old Democratic strategy of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Yeah, all well and good. Agree about pushovers. But that chirping was totally unproductive. They need to keep their guns trained on the real problems.
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Posted 12 July 2019 - 12:56 PM

 JackD, on 12 July 2019 - 10:36 AM, said:

AOC's use of the race card was obnoxious and betrayed her lack of principles. Or maybe just her sheer inexperience at working with others.

Ah youth! AOC and Omar are from districts that revel in the stuff they put out. But moderate Democrats from districts with a narrow Dem majority or a moderate Dem district cannot behave the way they do. These newbies need to understand that they cannot accomplish anything without those moderates...time for team work...or they will end up with nothing. Changing the system only works if they convince a large number of Congress people to go along with them. Majority still rules.





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