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[D. C. Sessions]

 Progressive whisperer, on 11 November 2016 - 07:25 PM, said:

The Russkis have some for sale!

True, but if there's anything uglier than an Apache, it's the Russian equivalent. Those things are so ugly that they don't even need to use weapons. The mere sight of one is enough to cause uncontrollable nausea.

[D. C. Sessions]

 Art_Vandelay, on 12 November 2016 - 08:09 AM, said:

Team Trump Struggling to Fill National-Security Jobs Who would have guessed that good qualified people wouldn't want to work under Donald Trump? Great, we're going to get the "C" team.

Or perhaps the "double-D" team.

[Traveler]

This is not going well. Gonna be the worst 4 years of our country, with reverberations that will last decades.

[Traveler]

And all because Dems didnt turn out to vote. The party is dead.

[D. C. Sessions]

 Traveler, on 12 November 2016 - 11:45 AM, said:

This is not going well. Gonna be the worst 4 years of our country, with reverberations that will last decades.

You think the body count will be in the multiple millions?

[indy]

 Traveler, on 12 November 2016 - 11:59 AM, said:

And all because Dems didnt turn out to vote.

I've expressed this view but upon reflection I don't believe it's accurate.

The one thing that Silver said over and over (and over) was that the biggest factor in his model's result was the high number of undecided voters.

The results indicate that a vary large percentage of them went with Trump.

I think it's possble that's it's actually a lot of Dems or Dem leaners that responded 'undecided' to the polls but then voted for Trump.

[Traveler]

Yes and no. Was Dem turnout being 3% less in PA enough by itself? Those weren't votes period. Now if they had turned out, would enough have voted Trump to make it not matter?

[gmat]

OK, here we go. Scaramucci playing John the Baptist for the coming fiscal stimulus gospel.

https://www.bloomber...etary-restraint

[D. C. Sessions]

Everyone knows that deficits don't matter.

[gmat]

They did for the last 7 years, but now no.

[Banty]

 Traveler, on 12 November 2016 - 11:59 AM, said:

And all because Dems didnt turn out to vote. The party is dead.

That does not mean the Dem party is dead.

They put up the wrong candidate. They (poss. mostly Debbie WS, but I read somewhere that Obama weighed in) put up a candidate that had major baggage, and was going to be polarizing in any case, up, to get that First Woman President.

They rationalized that she was sooo tough and all the baggage had been gone through before. They rationalized that the email thing would blow over. They rationalized that, objectively factually, the American voter would be convinced - heh.

I don't know if Bernie would have been the right candidate - my choice was Joe Biden. But there you have it - all three of them old. Nothing against old per se but for all their stupidity it was the GOP that had a bench of young up and comers.

[Rabiner]

they rationalized that the FBI wouldn't sway a close election one way or the other a few days before said election....

[Traveler]

Dems are dead, Banty. They don't turnout. Here is a good link to the actual numbers. Total turnout was up in PA. But Dems down 3%. Which means POGers in PA were way up.

HRC didn't have all that much baggage except for being a Clinton. I still harp back to when the email thing came out and all we got was her mendacious responses. So what if the truth was much less telling? It's the optics that matter. Life isn't fair. Biden would have been great, but HRC was eminently qualified. But not inspiring. And if Dems need to be inspired to get off their fucking lazy asses, fuck them.

Which is why they are dead. They will just stew in their own self inflicted juices while voter suppression, the 2020 census and a slew of conservative justices make a mockery of our civil structure. You have any idea of what damage POGers are going to inflict that will have permanent implications? I am with Charles in that I am still at anger, and always will be. But already at acceptance. By realizing we have no future. Waiting for the WWC to die is not a strategy.

As I said before, I really doubt any of us are going to be adversely impacted. Its our fellow Dems and POGers. The former dont vote, and the latter vote against their interests....

Edited by Traveler, 14 November 2016 - 11:15 AM.

[Progressive whisperer]

 Banty, on 14 November 2016 - 10:58 AM, said:

That does not mean the Dem party is dead.

They put up the wrong candidate. They (poss. mostly Debbie WS, but I read somewhere that Obama weighed in) put up a candidate that had major baggage, and was going to be polarizing in any case, up, to get that First Woman President.

They rationalized that she was sooo tough and all the baggage had been gone through before. They rationalized that the email thing would blow over. They rationalized that, objectively factually, the American voter would be convinced - heh.

I don't know if Bernie would have been the right candidate - my choice was Joe Biden. But there you have it - all three of them old. Nothing against old per se but for all their stupidity it was the GOP that had a bench of young up and comers.

This RIGHT here is a part of the problem. Obama and DWS didn't appoint or annoit HRC, 13 million members of the Democratic base did. Period. Biden chose not to run. Bernie ran (and I think did some damage toward the end for no purpose, but water under the bridge) and lost, in part due to crappy organizing before Super Tuesday.

I said a day or two ago, if you spent time between the end of the primary and the election bemoaning the party's choice, you own a part of the failure. Biden flamed out badly in two earlier runs, suddenly he is a man on white horse? Maybe Bernie would have "inspired" enough more voters, maybe his being an Atheist/Jewish Socialist would have cause him to crash and burn. Maybe not having lady parts is all it takes. We don't know now, and will never be sure. I'm pretty sure if the press spent the last two weeks covering Trump comments and Trump Foundation issues instead of fake emails things would be different.

Oh yeah, Obama's fault. Never pick members of the other party to head any security or investigative agency. I know bipartisan appointments used to be a thing. That was then.

[Traveler]

PW, good points. But time to change your sig line.

[Progressive whisperer]

 Traveler, on 14 November 2016 - 11:12 AM, said:

Dems are dead, Banty. They don't turnout. Here is a good link to the actual numbers. Total turnout was up in PA. But Dems down 3%. Which means POGers in PA were way up.

HRC didn't have all that much baggage except for being a Clinton. I still harp back to when the email thing came out and all we got was her mendacious responses. So what if the truth was much less telling? It's the optics that matter. Life isn't fair. Biden would have been great, but HRC was eminently qualified. But not inspiring. And if Dems need to be inspired to get off their fucking lazy asses, fuck them.

Which is why they are dead. They will just stew in their own self inflicted juices while voter suppression, the 2020 census and a slew of conservative justices make a mockery of our civil structure. You have any idea of what damage POGers are going to inflict that will have permanent implications? I am with Charles in that I am still at anger, and always will be. But already at acceptance. By realizing we have no future. Waiting for the WWC to die is not a strategy.

As I said before, I really doubt any of us are going to be adversely impacted. Its our fellow Dems and POGers. The former dont vote, and the latter vote against their interests....

Too early to say for certain. Oh yeah, unless we are somehow all proof against a crashing economy with a shredded safety net, we will be effected pleanty...

[Progressive whisperer]

 Traveler, on 14 November 2016 - 11:17 AM, said:

PW, good points. But time to change your sig line.

Nah, the GOP still needs destroying. More than ever. Because they do doesn't mean we will succeed, gotta try..,

[Progressive whisperer]

Will Rogers remains a visionary, "I'm not a member of any organized party: I'm a Democrat".

[Traveler]

 Progressive whisperer, on 14 November 2016 - 11:19 AM, said:

Nah, the GOP still needs destroying. More than ever. Because they do doesn't mean we will succeed, gotta try..,

For sure there, but I disagree about the tense. None of them are destroyed.

[Progressive whisperer]

 Traveler, on 14 November 2016 - 12:49 PM, said:

For sure there, but I disagree about the tense. None of them are destroyed.

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Your Latin may be better than mine (pretty easy), but I thought "delenda est" was "must be destroyed".