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Posted 20 February 2018 - 01:35 PM

Is that different from Bush II in some way?

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Posted 20 February 2018 - 02:06 PM

View PostProgressive whisperer, on 20 February 2018 - 01:35 PM, said:

Is that different from Bush II in some way?
From what I read, W was more of a passive guy that other rich dudes used to get favorable treatment for their interests. I don't think he hustled the deals. And supposedly he did do a decent job of promoting the Rangers while he was a minority owner. He did at least get some government experience as TX governor and learned how to navigate things with a legislature. That reduces the autocratic tendencies.

I think W has a conscience. He made plenty of misguided actions but he thought they were in the nation's best interest. I suspect he has a lot of regrets.

I don't in a heartbeat think Dumpster does. He seems venal to the core.
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Posted 20 February 2018 - 03:12 PM

I was mostly commenting about your last paragraph on not taking blame for a war, but I should have been clearer.

He also mocked a prisoner before the woman was executed, so his “conscience” was pretty limited as well.
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Posted 20 February 2018 - 09:08 PM

View Postpnwguy, on 20 February 2018 - 02:06 PM, said:

From what I read, W was more of a passive guy that other rich dudes used to get favorable treatment for their interests. I don't think he hustled the deals. And supposedly he did do a decent job of promoting the Rangers while he was a minority owner. He did at least get some government experience as TX governor and learned how to navigate things with a legislature. That reduces the autocratic tendencies.

I think W has a conscience. He made plenty of misguided actions but he thought they were in the nation's best interest. I suspect he has a lot of regrets.

I don't in a heartbeat think Dumpster does. He seems venal to the core.

I didn't see W as evil, but rather as incompetent. A puppet who's strings were easily pulled. Cheney on the other hand was the devil incarnate.
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Posted 20 February 2018 - 09:28 PM

I wouldn't give W a pass for the Iraq War.

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Posted 20 February 2018 - 10:36 PM

Nobody is, but it was his tendency to be easily manipulated by those that surrounded him that were the real impetus of the wars. I fault him, but lay more of the blame on Cheney and Rummy, et al.
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Posted 20 February 2018 - 10:38 PM

View PostAnBr, on 20 February 2018 - 09:08 PM, said:

I didn't see W as evil, but rather as incompetent. A puppet who's strings were easily pulled. Cheney on the other hand was the devil incarnate.

Frankly, I always said he was atrociously served by his staff and his advisors.
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Posted 20 February 2018 - 11:09 PM

I would say that he was atrociously served by those that help him into power, many of which were the same people.
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— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
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“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


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Posted 20 February 2018 - 11:17 PM

"He tried to kill my Dad!" And, by the by, he had weapons of mass destruction. No, he gets no pass.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 11:24 AM

Apparently the Trump administration has hemorrhaged so many people (with so few waiting in the wings to work for this monument to dysfunction) that they're now protecting their kleptoratchiks. Their guy at the VA will stay despite wasting taxpayer dollars on personal extravagances. This is now standard Trump administration practice.

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Campaigning to keep his job, Veterans Affairs Secretary David Shulkin said Tuesday he had no intention of quitting despite blistering findings of travel abuses connected to his 11-day trip to Europe. He issued an extraordinary warning to VA staff rebelling against him: Get back in line or get out.

Speaking after a Tuesday meeting at the White House, Shulkin told The Associated Press that White House chief of staff John Kelly affirmed he still had the trust of President Donald Trump. Reports have swirled in recent days of White House officials looking to oust Shulkin for not hewing more closely to the Trump agenda as well as VA press officials refusing to serve him.

Shulkin, a former VA undersecretary of health in the Obama administration, denied he was straying off course. A VA inspector general report last week found that Shulkin had improperly accepted Wimbledon tennis tickets and his staff lied that he was getting an award in order to justify his wife accompanying him at taxpayer expense on an 11-day European trip in July that mixed business and sightseeing.


Meanwhile employees are thrown under the bus as Shulkin does his best Sgt. Schultz imitation.

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Addressing the travel controversy, Shulkin said he should have paid closer attention to travel policies rather than rely on staff who he said insisted that his wife would be able to fly commercial airfare for the 11-day trip to Denmark and Britain in July without any problems. The VA inspector general determined that Shulkin’s top aide, Vivieca Wright Simpson, actually had doctored emails to falsely represent that Shulkin was being honored in Denmark to justify the free travel. Wright Simpson retired from her post last Friday in the wake of the IG report.

At least one lawmaker, Rep. Mike Coffman, R-Colo., has called on Shulkin to resign over the improprieties; other lawmakers have suggested he should do more to explain himself and acknowledge fault.

On Tuesday, Shulkin stressed he regretted that the incident had become a distraction to Trump’s agenda and said he would pay more attention to VA’s travel policies in the future.

“I am extraordinarily busy,” Shulkin said. “I wished I asked more questions.” Pledging to put aside the “distractions,” he said he would continue pushing forward with bipartisan legislation in Congress and had called a VA leadership department meeting on Tuesday to reiterate that people who “hijack” the VA agenda won’t be tolerated.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 11:29 AM

Serial liar and incompetent son-in-law Jared Kushner is desperate to hold onto his interim security clearance as Kelly is trying to tighten things up. Great. A man who is clearly a near perfect target for foreign governments to bribe, blackmail, or both and who has "updated" his disclosure forms over and over again while lying about his meetings with the Russians has access to top secret documents. Putin must be pissing his pants from laughing so hard.

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Jared Kushner, son-in-law and senior adviser to President Donald Trump, has pushed back on chief of staff John Kelly’s effort to rein in the use of interim security clearance and argued that he needs to keep his interim access to classified material, the New York Times reported Tuesday night, citing White House officials and others briefed on the situation.

Following the firing of Rob Porter and revelations that he was able to use an interim security clearance despite allegations of domestic abuse, Kelly has set out to reform the security clearance process in the White House. He issued a memo last week declaring that anyone who has been operating with an interim security clearance since June will see that access revoked until they obtain a full clearance, and that the White House will continue to assess who can keep a security clearance.

Kushner has come under increased scrutiny since Porter’s ouster because he has reportedly been working on an interim clearance for more than a year and has filed several updates to his lists of foreign contacts and financial assets.

Kushner told colleagues that he does not want to give up his interim clearance and insisted that he must maintain his access, according to the New York Times. Kushner also feels personally targeted by Kelly’s memo, officials told the Times. However, others familiar with Kushner’s thinking denied to the New York Times that he feels singled out by Kelly or that he has resisted Kelly’s efforts.

The White House said Tuesday that Kushner’s work will not be impacted by Kelly’s changes to the security clearance process but did not acknowledge whether Kushner’s interim clearance would be revoked.

“Mr. Kushner’s work that he has done will not be impacted and he’s going to continue to do the work that he’s done over the last year,” White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders told reporters during the daily briefing.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:14 PM

View PostLFC, on 21 February 2018 - 11:29 AM, said:

Serial liar and incompetent son-in-law Jared Kushner is desperate to hold onto his interim security clearance as Kelly is trying to tighten things up. Great. A man who is clearly a near perfect target for foreign governments to bribe, blackmail, or both and who has "updated" his disclosure forms over and over again while lying about his meetings with the Russians has access to top secret documents. Putin must be pissing his pants from laughing so hard.
Not to let any of these scumbags off the hook for the myriad reasons they shouldn't have security clearance, but it seems that admitting to marijuana use can make it difficult too. That was the case with George David Banks, the guy that had to resign recently.

Keeping that as a disqualification is going to make it ever more difficult for getting younger people in government agencies. And I imagine the Keebler General would like to keep it that way.
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Posted 21 February 2018 - 01:49 PM

Best people, chapter 341.

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A top official at the Department of Health and Human Services has been placed on administrative leave after a CNN KFile inquiry while the agency investigates social media postings in which he pushed unfounded smears on social media.

Jon Cordova serves as the principal deputy assistant secretary for administration at HHS. A KFile review of Cordova's social media accounts found that he pushed stories filled with baseless claims and conspiracy theories, including stories that claimed Gold Star father Khizr Khan is a "Muslim Brotherhood agent" and made baseless claims about Sen. Ted Cruz's personal life.

"Mr. Cordova is currently on administrative leave while we look into this issue further," a HHS spokesperson said in a statement.

Cordova did not respond to a request for comment.

Cordova joined HHS in February of 2017, initially as part of the Office of the White House Liaison. In his current role, Cordova oversees day-to-day operations for the Office of Human Relations, Office of the Chief Information Officer, Office of Security and Strategic Information, Equal Employment Opportunity Compliance and Operations Office and the Program Support Center, according to his biography posted on the HHS website.

Prior to joining HHS, Cordova served as a Trump delegate from California to the Republican National Convention and worked in communications for Donald Trump's campaign in California.

During the 2016 presidential campaign, Cordova routinely promoted stories on social media that pushed fringe claims about Trump's opponents that have no basis in fact.

In July 2016, Cordova shared a story that asserted without evidence that Khan, who spoke out against Trump at the 2016 Democratic National Convention, was a "Muslim Brotherhood agent" and "a Muslim plant working with the Hillary Clinton campaign." He also shared another story that falsely claimed the Clinton Foundation paid Khan.

Cordova also shared unfounded and false stories that claimed Cruz, a Texas Republican frequented prostitutes, was involved in a sex scandal and was hiding various public records related to his birth and education.

There's more if you care to read about it. And yet Trump gave him a job, I guess because he's one of many "fine people."
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Posted 22 February 2018 - 01:45 PM

It sounds like the Pentagon is trying to work out a soft landing for McMaster.

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The Pentagon is exploring options that would give President Donald Trump the ability to move National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster out of his role in the White House and back to the military, according to a new report from CNN.

According to six defense and Trump administration officials who spoke with CNN, the Pentagon is quietly searching for a four-star military position in the Army or the Defense Department that would function as a promotion for McMaster after months of mounting tension between the President and his national security adviser.

Trump has reportedly been privately irritated with McMaster for months, mostly stemming from issues Trump has with McMaster’s personality and style, according to a senior Republican source who spoke with CNN. Trump believes McMaster is condescending and unfriendly, the source told CNN.

Kelly was supposed to be an "adult in the room" and he's failed spectacularly and publicly. McMaster was too but it looks like he's headed towards the door, willingly or unwillingly. Does that leave any adult in the room? Sure as hell not Mike "I Can't Be Alone With A Woman" Pence.
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Posted 24 February 2018 - 06:13 AM

View PostLFC, on 21 February 2018 - 11:29 AM, said:

Serial liar and incompetent son-in-law Jared Kushner is desperate to hold onto his interim security clearance as Kelly is trying to tighten things up. Great. A man who is clearly a near perfect target for foreign governments to bribe, blackmail, or both and who has "updated" his disclosure forms over and over again while lying about his meetings with the Russians has access to top secret documents. Putin must be pissing his pants from laughing so hard.

But those emails...
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Posted 26 February 2018 - 09:25 AM

Latest poll has the dump back in the cellar, 12 points behind prior low for a president now.
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Posted 26 February 2018 - 09:47 AM

View PostTraveler, on 26 February 2018 - 09:25 AM, said:


The bloom didn't last, eh?
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Posted 26 February 2018 - 09:55 AM

The generic congressional ballot polls had been narrowing a bit too, but they have also started reverting.

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 10:26 AM

Is it possible that we're facing an outbreak of sanity?
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Posted 26 February 2018 - 11:09 AM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 26 February 2018 - 10:26 AM, said:

Is it possible that we're facing an outbreak of sanity?

Yes, it's possible. May I propose a follow-up question: is it probable that we're facing an outbreak of sanity?
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