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Posted 22 October 2019 - 01:58 PM

View PostRue Bella, on 22 October 2019 - 01:52 PM, said:

Some of you people scare me with your knowledge of the bible!

Sixteen years of Catholic Education. BTW: Seton Hall University (OUR Alma Mater) has been ranked Number 12 in the Pre Season Basketball Poll

The first three years were in Rome Italy with Italian Nuns.
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Posted 22 October 2019 - 02:20 PM

My dad got his B.A. from Loyola Marymount (though he went to USC for his MA). A nephew of mine has a full ride to attend Regis University, a Jesuit university in Denver. Everything I've seen and heard from them and elsewhere indicates that the Catholics can provide a top-notch education, but Catholicism will be part of the package.

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Posted 22 October 2019 - 02:21 PM

View PostMSheridan, on 22 October 2019 - 12:06 PM, said:

I almost regret not being a Christian. I'd love to hit Ham with Mark 11:15-17, John 2:13-16, and Matthew 6:24, just to start. It'd be trivially easy to go on--this Ham guy is a very soft target from a Biblical POV.

AFAICT, there's no Christian Church in America that is a safe space for progressives and those to the left of them (bleeding-heart liberals, socialists, pacifists, tree-huggers, gays, bis, transgenders, etc.). The British Quakers (my crowd) are, but there's much more to us than that. I wonder if we accept "corresponding members"?

Also, depending on one's definitions, some would say the British Quakers are not in fact a Christian church!
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Posted 22 October 2019 - 02:26 PM

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AFAICT, there's no Christian Church in America that is a safe space for progressives and those to the left of them (bleeding-heart liberals, pacifists, tree-huggers, gays, bis, transgenders, etc.). The British Quakers (my crowd) are, but there's much more to us than that. I wonder if we accept "corresponding members"?

Also, depending on one's definitions, some would say the British Quakers are not in fact a Christian church!
There's a few. Liberation theology catholic congregations and universalist churches also (I think?) I believe there are some lefty congregations among some mainline protestant churches too.
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Posted 22 October 2019 - 02:26 PM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 22 October 2019 - 02:21 PM, said:

AFAICT, there's no Christian Church in America that is a safe space for progressives and those to the left of them (bleeding-heart liberals, socialists, pacifists, tree-huggers, gays, bis, transgenders, etc.). The British Quakers (my crowd) are, but there's much more to us than that. I wonder if we accept "corresponding members"?

Also, depending on one's definitions, some would say the British Quakers are not in fact a Christian church!

Well, there's the United Church of Christ. One of my cousins (the most committed Christian in the family) is a member.

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Posted 22 October 2019 - 02:38 PM

View PostBeelzebuddy, on 22 October 2019 - 02:26 PM, said:

There's a few. Liberation theology catholic congregations and universalist churches also (I think?) I believe there are some lefty congregations among some mainline protestant churches too.

Well, that's certainly good news!
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Posted 22 October 2019 - 03:20 PM

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Sixteen years of Catholic Education. BTW: Seton Hall University (OUR Alma Mater) has been ranked Number 12 in the Pre Season Basketball Poll

The first three years were in Rome Italy with Italian Nuns.

I only had 10 years of Catholic Education. From 3rd grade through high school. Mostly taught by Franciscan nuns and priests with a few Jesuits tossed in for good measure. In our school, the bible just was not taught. We knew it existed and that it was holy, but never (or only rarely) read from it, and then, only the new testament. Liberal California - what do you expect? ;)
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Posted 22 October 2019 - 03:22 PM

View PostMSheridan, on 22 October 2019 - 02:26 PM, said:

Well, there's the United Church of Christ. One of my cousins (the most committed Christian in the family) is a member.

I was raised in that one...small town Midwest. There wasn't much talk about liberality...just live a righteous life. Of course I'm old enough to remember that no one was howling about gay marriage then. I don't remember any talk of abortion either. The pastor was pretty disengaged from the politics of the time.

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Posted 22 October 2019 - 03:49 PM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 22 October 2019 - 02:21 PM, said:

AFAICT, there's no Christian Church in America that is a safe space for progressives ...

I worked for somebody who attended a Quaker church (or I guess the right term is Quaker meeting). He said that the actual beliefs of the people there spanned a wide range (he was a pretty liberal "good life" type of believer) and everybody got along just fine.

According to Wikipedia 21% of all Quakers are in North America, at least as of 2012.
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Posted 22 October 2019 - 03:55 PM

I was raised Catholic, not that it ever took ... and I mean EVER. I literally cannot remember ever actually believing in god but I remember being very confused about the whole thing at a very early age. There was no epiphany or anything like that. It simply never made sense to me from the get-go.

Two years of Catholic school and I begged my parents to let me attend public school after I witnessed several acts of outright cruelty by two different nuns. I was not raised like that. I made my case (at what I guess must have been the tender age of 7) and my parents let me shift to public school, something I've been grateful for ever since. While I was never the target of any nun's cruelty myself what I saw left an indelible mark on my view of the Catholic Church and even Christianity in general.
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Posted 22 October 2019 - 04:35 PM

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Good choices. Sometimes when the "zealots" get antsy I tell them to check Chapter 6 of St Matthew's Gospel

1“Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven. 2Therefore, when you do a charitable deed, do not sound a trumpet before you as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 3But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4that your charitable deed may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will Himself reward you [a]openly.
5“And when you pray, you shall not be like the [b]hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 6But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you [c]openly. 7And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words

(Note the extensive use of "hypocrite")

Sigh. I’ve had to break out this passage on at least one occasion to counter folks a bit too close to my own household. And that was a dozen or so years ago.
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Posted 22 October 2019 - 04:42 PM

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I was raised in that one...small town Midwest. There wasn't much talk about liberality...just live a righteous life. Of course I'm old enough to remember that no one was howling about gay marriage then. I don't remember any talk of abortion either. The pastor was pretty disengaged from the politics of the time.

The UCC was among the first mainstream Protestant denominations to officially green-light SSM, some time in the mid-1980s, IIRC. Back in a former life, one of That Jerk’s compatriots at seminary was in a SSM —they were UCC; the seminary was United Methodist, but a “center-left” institution at the time.
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Posted 22 October 2019 - 04:43 PM

View PostMSheridan, on 22 October 2019 - 02:20 PM, said:

Everything I've seen and heard from them and elsewhere indicates that the Catholics can provide a top-notch education, but Catholicism will be part of the package.
That’s my experience, as well.
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Posted 22 October 2019 - 04:49 PM

View PostBeelzebuddy, on 22 October 2019 - 02:26 PM, said:


There's a few. Liberation theology catholic congregations and universalist churches also (I think?) I believe there are some lefty congregations among some mainline protestant churches too.
Yup. They’re found mostly in larger metros or college towns. One has to pretty much ignore the denominational sign on the door, as any given mainline Protestant (especially United Methodist and Episcopalian) congregation can be anywhere from hard left to hard right...or a mixed bag of ideologies. The urban-rural divide is as pronounced in mainline Protestantism as it is in secular society as a whole.


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(About fame) Living for likes, shares and follows is a form of validation. The question is whether it is also the source of our self esteem. If it is, we’re screwed. And, culturally, it seems as if it’s become more and more our shared value. ... Meringue is no longer a sweet and pretty topping but the body itself. ~Charles Perez

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Posted 22 October 2019 - 04:58 PM

FWIW, I was likewise raised Catholic. Spent grades 8-12 in parochial school. What religious education did take was insufficient to keep me squarely in that faith tradition, as the notion that non-Catholics were condemned to eternal damnation (among other notions) struck me as nonsensical. This, as the JP II papal tenure and the accompanying shift rightward after Vatican II was just getting going.

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(About fame) Living for likes, shares and follows is a form of validation. The question is whether it is also the source of our self esteem. If it is, we’re screwed. And, culturally, it seems as if it’s become more and more our shared value. ... Meringue is no longer a sweet and pretty topping but the body itself. ~Charles Perez

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Posted 22 October 2019 - 05:47 PM

View PostBact PhD, on 22 October 2019 - 04:42 PM, said:

The UCC was among the first mainstream Protestant denominations to officially green-light SSM, some time in the mid-1980s, IIRC. Back in a former life, one of That Jerk’s compatriots at seminary was in a SSM —they were UCC; the seminary was United Methodist, but a “center-left” institution at the time.

That was after my time in the church 'cause I'm that old. And yeah one friend of mine had a same sex commitment ceremony in a Methodist church in Dallas in the early to mid '90s. Her childhood Methodist church probably wouldn't have performed one.

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 01:51 AM

View PostBact PhD, on 22 October 2019 - 04:42 PM, said:

The UCC was among the first mainstream Protestant denominations to officially green-light SSM, some time in the mid-1980s, IIRC. Back in a former life, one of That Jerk’s compatriots at seminary was in a SSM —they were UCC; the seminary was United Methodist, but a “center-left” institution at the time.

Very interesting and informative, all this. Thank you.
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