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Posted 19 June 2017 - 09:45 AM

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I thought God ™ was on your side. Either that or God ™ helps those who help themselves. If a small band of atheists really have the power to derail God's Plan ™ so easily, you must be worshiping a pretty lame god. There are alternatives. May I talk to you about Scientology?
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 12:04 PM

He is blaming atheists? What about the homos? They were responsible for Katrina.

Isn't it amazing how weak their all powerful god is? On the other hand, maybe He wanted that place to fail. Maybe He thinks gay marriage is a good idea. Maybe He thinks abortion should be kept legal for gals like Mary Magdalene.
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 01:23 PM

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He is blaming atheists? What about the homos? They were responsible for Katrina.

Isn't it amazing how weak their all powerful god is? On the other hand, maybe He wanted that place to fail. Maybe He thinks gay marriage is a good idea. Maybe He thinks abortion should be kept legal for gals like Mary Magdalene.

Plus he would KNOW that his Dino's preceded humans...

OTOH, when you read the horrible Saint stories, and the rather pathetic interventions credited to the dietyI have to wonder how he maintained a following.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 05:16 PM

View PostRue Bella, on 19 June 2017 - 12:04 PM, said:

He is blaming atheists? What about the homos? They were responsible for Katrina.

All homos are atheists. You'd know that if you weren't a heathen.
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 06:14 PM

Wow- not even God had the power to make that mess a success.
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 06:16 PM

View PostLFC, on 19 June 2017 - 05:16 PM, said:

All homos are atheists. You'd know that if you weren't a heathen.

If they were smart, they would be atheists... Much more pleasant living life not thinking you are a sinning pervert within a pious community constantly blathering 'love the sinner, hate the sin'. What utter tripe.
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Posted 18 July 2017 - 07:26 PM

Apparently, "rendering unto Cesar" is just a "suggestion" not an actual directive from Jesus

Williamstown leaders worry Ark Encounter's $10 sale to nonprofit will harm Grant Co.'s tax revenue

WILLIAMSTOWN, Ky. — The land upon which Ark Encounter, the enormous replica of Noah’s biblical ship, came to rest has been sold for $10 to its owner’s nonprofit affiliate, Crosswater Canyon.

Williamstown officials now worry the sale of the $48 million property for a mere 10 bucks is a maneuver to avoid paying any taxes, the Lexington Herald-Leader reports.“I believe this is the first step,” Williamstown City Councilman Kim Crupper told the newspaper. “The impact would be far larger than just Williamstown.”

In April, the council approved a 50-cent tax on every admission ticket sold at $40 for adults and $28 for kids, telling the Herald-Leader the taxes are needed to upgrade the city’s emergency services that cover the park, which includes a petting zoo and zipline.

“This ordinance was carefully thought out, this does not affect their bottom line,” Crupper said. “We have to make sure your police and fire and emergency services can assure safety. If you’re going to pay $40 for a ticket and $10 to park, I don’t think you’re going to argue over 50 cents.”



http://www.wcpo.com/...cos-tax-revenue

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http://www.kentucky....e161782438.html
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Posted 18 July 2017 - 09:45 PM

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In April, the council approved a 50-cent tax on every admission ticket sold at $40 for adults and $28 for kids, telling the Herald-Leader the taxes are needed to upgrade the city’s emergency services that cover the park, which includes a petting zoo and zipline.

No big deal. If they don't want to pay their fair share of taxes that finance emergency services to the park, when they need help in an emergency, let them pray for a miracle from their God. Problem solved.
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Posted 18 July 2017 - 10:40 PM

View PostRue Bella, on 18 July 2017 - 09:45 PM, said:

No big deal. If they don't want to pay their fair share of taxes that finance emergency services to the park, when they need help in an emergency, let them pray for a miracle from their God. Problem solved.

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 11:10 PM

Let me just say, $10 to park anywhere in Williamstown is insane, it is a city of a mere 4,000 residents.
This park charges $40 admission for adults?! I can't even..

It hasn't occurred to anyone involved that property taxation should be based on assessed values, not on the value of an obviously fraudulent sale? It strikes me that Kansas law would have long since anticipated this particular gambit. It seems like the $10 bit is not really at issue, but rather the transfer to a non-profit.
I would like for someone at Ark Encounters to explain how a petting zoo and zipline are important elements of the NGO's deeply meaningful religious work.
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Posted 19 July 2017 - 12:31 AM

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If this 'park' burned down without fire protection, I'd toast marshmallows - two by two.

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 05:30 AM

At first glance this appears to be an attempt to turn the land over to a religious foundation which would make it tax exempt for real estate purposes and the value of the land would be moot as would the amount paid [the amount paid might, however, figure into the owner's ability to claim a sizable charitible tax deduction]. However, I can't imagine that this doesn't violate the original agreement between the county and the park. The county and state allowed for all sorts of tax breaks and incentives originally. I don't have any clue whether or not they protected themselves from this sort of duplicity, but it wouldn't really surprise me if they didn't. They have been clearly blinded by their own misplaced hopes from the beginning.

I don't know very much about the involved legal entities, the relevant tax codes, the original agreement, or really anything much all to do with this monument to stupidity, so I'm probably wrong, but this is my guess.

This is all obviously part of an escalating dispute between the county and the park. I don't think it's going to end here.

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 07:00 AM

BTW, it doesn't appear to me the county is blameless here. Obviously, they got caught up in the euphoria of the possibilities and rather than taking a sober approach to the deal bought into the rosy optimistic financial forecasts. Now that that hasn't panned out, they are looking to make up the deficit by levying taxes that probably didn't break the letter of the original agreement but more or less breaks the spirit of it. I understand they were between a rock and a hard place, but if I were the owner, I'd immediately fight back as well, because it won't stop unless you do push back.

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 09:41 AM

Sounds like Ken Ham is desperate to keep his ridiculous project "afloat". As to the town officials who are finally realizing how big a boondoggle this thing is, well "stupid is as stupid does."
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Posted 20 July 2017 - 04:10 PM

Can Ken Ham get more pathetic?

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Not only is Kentucky’s Ark Encounter theme park historically inaccurate and hemorrhaging money, its founder’s attempt to reclaim “God’s rainbow” from its association with LGBTQ Pride has become the target of gleeful mockery.

In a woebegone editorial for FoxNews.com, Christian activist — and serial fabulist — Todd Starnes lamented that LGBTQ activists are mocking creationist Ken Ham’s decision to keep the park’s replica of Noah’s Ark “permanently bathed in rainbow lights.”

“It makes the ark look incredibly gay,” said Kentucky Fairness Campaign’s Chris Hartman to USA Today.

A column in Orlando Weekly said, “This is Ken Ham’s sad attempt to take back the rainbow symbol from the LGBTQ community.”


And can his Museum of Superstition and Stupidity look more gay?

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 10:17 PM

Kentucky officials strip Ken Ham’s ‘Ark Encounter’ exhibit of its $18 million tax rebate
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Posted 22 July 2017 - 06:56 AM

View PostAnBr, on 21 July 2017 - 10:17 PM, said:


Based on the article they tried to save about $700k/yr. Doing that, they became liable for $1.8 million in property tax.

BTW the figures are based on over 1 million visitors/year which ain't happening.
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Posted 22 July 2017 - 08:07 AM

I think it's likely that article isn't painting a full picture. The park knows its own attendance figures and we don't. By converting, they appear ready to give up the sales tax rebate (which may be quite a bit less than the claimed 18 million because it's based on attendance) but plan on recouping more than they are giving up by escaping the 'safety tax' and real estate taxes as a religious non-profit. It's silly to assume just because they don't want to understand the physics of carbon dating they also can't add.

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 11:00 PM

I think it is convenient to frame the county government as stupid, but the truth is that once this thing was built in their jurisdiction they have a lot of power over it, it is not like a factory that can simply move and leave an empty shell behind. I think both parties were probably acting in bad faith here from the start, and both are going to end up disappointed in one way or another.
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Posted 24 July 2017 - 08:17 AM

It was not my intention to frame the county as stupid, just somewhat naive about the financial outlook and costs. Of course, it's part of a much larger problem where taxing units are forced to compete with each other through tax incentives and giveaways to companies who consistently over promise and under deliver, especially in rural areas where the experience of the local authorities is rather limited and therefore easier to take advantage of.





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