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Posted 18 July 2019 - 09:01 PM

View PostLFC, on 18 July 2019 - 05:23 PM, said:



Damn right.

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Posted 19 July 2019 - 09:13 AM

View PostBact PhD, on 18 July 2019 - 09:01 PM, said:

Great minds think alike... :D

Or at least our's do. ;)
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Posted 19 July 2019 - 09:24 AM

View Postgolden_valley, on 18 July 2019 - 12:35 PM, said:

Suspend Parliament? Shoot why not bring in the military to surround the building and put the Queen under house arrest to make the coup complete? All Heil Boris!

You make me want to watch V for Vendetta.
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Posted 19 July 2019 - 11:03 AM

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Posted 19 July 2019 - 04:32 PM

View Postgolden_valley, on 18 July 2019 - 12:35 PM, said:

Suspend Parliament? Shoot why not bring in the military to surround the building and put the Queen under house arrest to make the coup complete? All Heil Boris!
Just for the sake of clarity proroguing parliament is something well within the powers of the parliament to do, it is not really a big deal at all. The idea of ending the legislative session early so that no new EU related legislation can be considered isn't some authoritarian power-grab, it is just a fairly typical procedural gambit in a minority government. It is not an executive action either, parliament prorogues itself and Boris himself, even once he is PM, will only be another MP.
The use of the word "suspend" by the media is a poor choice, better to use the proper word and have people wonder (and then discover) what it means than to use an incorrect word that really sounds like it must be something quite different.

Of course, as with all strategies from the obvious brain genius Boris Johnson this idea is dead before he has even assumed the Prime Ministership:
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The amendment enshrines in law that the government must update parliament every two weeks on progress in talks to restore the Northern Ireland Assembly, and that parliament must be in session for five days after each update in order to debate it.
This, in essence, means the House of Commons will have to sit through the autumn session, and members can't be sent home in order for a "no-deal" Brexit to happen by automatic operation of law on October 31, while parliament is suspended.
The House of Lords, the UK parliament's upper chamber, strongly backed a bid to block any suspension of parliament by a margin of 103 votes on Wednesday.

In all seriousness, across all of the Anglo-Conservative movement on 3 different continents the only thing any of these people are any good at is getting elected with white-grievance politics. They are universally incapable of competent governance.
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Posted 19 July 2019 - 09:15 PM

Thanks for the explanation J-CA.

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Posted 20 July 2019 - 09:10 AM

My head hurts.
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Posted 21 July 2019 - 09:33 PM

 Traveler, on 20 July 2019 - 09:10 AM, said:

My head hurts.
Hehe.. remember the hubbub over "recess appointments" - this a similar sort of bullshit.
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Posted 22 July 2019 - 06:52 AM

Gotcha. Still haven't the slightest comprehension of how the UK government rules function as far as Brexit goes.
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Posted 22 July 2019 - 07:37 AM

View PostTraveler, on 22 July 2019 - 06:52 AM, said:

Gotcha. Still haven't the slightest comprehension of how the UK government rules function as far as Brexit goes.

One might accurately point out that it doesn't function as far as Brexit goes.
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Posted 23 July 2019 - 10:52 AM

Great Britain gets Prime Minister Donald Trump Boris Johnson. Putin must be laughing so hard that he's pissing himself. (Maybe Trump would like to watch that too.)

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Boris Johnson has won the Conservative leadership race to succeed Theresa May and will become the United Kingdom’s next prime minister. Johnson, the clear favorite throughout the contest, won by 92,153 votes to rival Jeremy Hunt’s 46,655. The vote was carried out by Conservative members. As the leader of the largest party, Johnson will tomorrow ask the Queen to appoint him as prime minister when May officially resigns from her office. Johnson, the former mayor of London, led the campaign to leave the European Union in 2016. He’s vowed to carry out Brexit by the deadline of October 31, whether that’s with a new deal agreed to with the European Union and the British parliament, or with the potentially catastrophic scenario of leaving with no deal in place. Johnson has been a deeply controversial figure in British politics for decades and several ministerial resignations are expected to greet his appointment.


Some insights on just how Trumpy Mr. Johnson really is. It ain't just the hair. This sounds eerily familiar.

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Johnson’s premiership is not going to be boring, and not only because of the hellish ghost train that could come with his commitment to extracting Britain from the European Union, even if he fails to strike a new deal, by the October 31st deadline. Johnson has been one of the most controversial public figures in Britain for decades now—a once-amusing oddity who has become less and less funny as he’s inexplicably become more and more powerful.

Johnson first became known in the British establishment as a journalist who was renowned for ludicrous exaggeration and fired for fabrication. Having failed at that, he was forced to lower himself to becoming a Conservative member of Parliament, where he thrilled a public tired of boringly competent politicians with his disheveled turns on television game shows. His celebrity rose to the point where he was elected London mayor before going on to lead the pro-Brexit campaign in the 2016 referendum—a choice widely believed to have been borne out of a love of publicity and power rather than any deep-seated beliefs. Following a brief and utterly disastrous stint as foreign secretary, somehow he’s stumbled into the most powerful office in the land.

The Daily Beast spoke to people who have worked with him over his colorful career. They largely split into two camps: those who think he’s one of the most arrogant, lazy, and unpleasant men who they’ve ever encountered; and those who he appears to have inspired great loyalty from who genuinely believe his strong personality is what’s needed to see Britain through Brexit and reunite the Conservative party and the public.

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 06:50 PM

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 07:45 PM

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“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

— Carl Sagan


Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 09:12 PM

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 09:43 PM

View PostAnBr, on 23 July 2019 - 06:50 PM, said:

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Are you posting facts ? Some heads in Britain may explode.
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Posted 23 July 2019 - 09:53 PM

View Postandydp, on 23 July 2019 - 09:43 PM, said:

Are you posting facts ? Some heads in Britain may explode.

Oh Rich...
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

— Carl Sagan


Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937

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Posted 24 July 2019 - 04:00 AM

View PostAnBr, on 23 July 2019 - 09:53 PM, said:

Oh Rich...

I'm like the Elephant's Child in the Just So Stories after he was spanked by his whole family: "A little warm, but not at all astonished". I'm 69 years old, and have been following politics for nearly 50 years. I lost the last of my illusions early in Tony Blair's first term.

I'm no longer surprised or shocked, or even disgusted. Exasperated, yes, but even that is getting numbed by outrage fatigue.
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Posted 25 July 2019 - 11:26 PM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 24 July 2019 - 04:00 AM, said:

I'm like the Elephant's Child in the Just So Stories after he was spanked by his whole family: "A little warm, but not at all astonished". I'm 69 years old, and have been following politics for nearly 50 years. I lost the last of my illusions early in Tony Blair's first term.

I'm no longer surprised or shocked, or even disgusted. Exasperated, yes, but even that is getting numbed by outrage fatigue.
While I regard myself as well to the left of "third way" types like Blair I do think it is very unfortunate that his Iraq war blunder ruined an otherwise pretty successful progressive period of governance. Shifting of expenditures from very specific and high-overhead programs to more general child & low-income tax benefits was good progressive policy that was very effective and easy to administer! (Liberals and Tories in Canada copied it!) National minimum wage, parental leave rights, leasehold reforms, bankruptcy reform, and some colonial citizenship stuff too I think, and Labour did it while outperforming the EU in economic growth. And don't forget African debt forgiveness!!
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Posted 26 July 2019 - 08:02 AM

Sorry for what? Nice summation of things I didn't know. I always thought Blair was much less effective in any progressive accomplishments.
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Posted 29 July 2019 - 10:03 AM

So, since last Wednesday afternoon, we've got our own pussy grabber. Well, to be more precise, our own serial shagger. And he's much better than yours: he's had the best available education, got a much bigger vocabulary than yours, writes real books without a ghost, and, not only can he speak whole connected paragraphs of comprehensible and idiomatic English sentences, but he is is a genuinely witty speaker.

And yet . . . well, no-one has ever said about yours that he's odds-on to tip your country, economically and socially, instantaneously over a precipice.

So is yours or ours preferable? Well, there is a chance ours will crash and burn some time in the next six months. Or even in the next two. Unlike yours, I think.
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