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#561 Rich T Bikkies

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Posted 01 June 2019 - 12:13 AM

That bird was never a herring gull. Much too small.
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Posted 01 June 2019 - 05:46 AM

Com on Rich T. Even silver darlings have got to grow. 'Brits' are 45mm, a handy mouthful for a gull.
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Posted 03 June 2019 - 09:25 AM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 01 June 2019 - 12:13 AM, said:

That bird was never a herring gull. Much too small.

Hmmmm. Not sure I concur. It looks like nearly the length of your arm (assuming you have a big head rather than a tiny body) which puts it just about on par, at least for a female which is smaller. If, however, your body isn't a good size indicator then the clear yellow bill and yellow legs look pretty good for Common Gull which we call Mew Gull though we have a different subspecies (may end up split as its own species) here in North America.
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Posted 03 June 2019 - 03:59 PM

Trump's all in for hard Brexit. As if Brits needed more evidence it was a bad idea.

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President Donald Trump inserted himself Sunday into the UK’s fraught politics ahead of his official state visit to the nation, suggesting the government should “walk away” from a Brexit deal with the European Union if British demands are not met.

“I would walk away,” Trump said in an interview with the Sunday Times. “If you don’t get the deal you want, if you don’t get a fair deal, then you walk away.”

Trump also criticized the sum the UK must pay the EU as part of its exit, roughly $50 billion.

“If I were them, I wouldn’t pay $50 billion,” the president said. “That is a tremendous number.”

Outgoing UK Prime Minister Theresa May negotiated an exit deal with the European Union but has failed to get Parliament to agree to the plan. Leaving the EU without a deal could cause the UK economic harm; President Trump, however, believes that no deal is better than a bad deal, and suggested it isn’t too late to get the EU to come back to the negotiating table — something EU officials have said they have no will to do.

Trump suggested the UK sue the EU to give the nation “ammunition” in its fight to leave, and also said the kingdom’s people would be wise to send Nigel Farage, leader of the Brexit Party, to Brussels to renegotiate the separation deal. The Brexit Party recently took first place in the UK election for its European Parliament representatives, winning 29 seats.

“I like Nigel a lot,” Trump said. “He has a lot to offer, he is a very smart person. They won’t bring him in but think how well they would do if they did. They just haven’t figured that out yet.”

The US president has had many kind words for Theresa May’s rivals; earlier, Trump said Boris Johnson, Prime Minister Theresa May’s former foreign secretary and a prominent Brexit campaigner, would make a great prime minister following May’s resignation. Johnson has said the UK should leave the EU by October 31 with or without a deal.

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 04:38 PM

View PostLFC, on 03 June 2019 - 03:59 PM, said:

Trump's all in for hard Brexit. As if Brits needed more evidence it was a bad idea.

Well of course, just walk away. That's what you do in a simple business deal. Trump does not grasp the true nature of the EU or any structure in which his personal interest is not the focus of the structure.

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Posted 04 June 2019 - 08:57 AM

View Postgolden_valley, on 03 June 2019 - 04:38 PM, said:

Well of course, just walk away. That's what you do in a simple business deal. Trump does not grasp the true nature of the EU or any structure in which his personal interest is not the focus of the structure.

I'm going even simpler than that. Putin told him it was a good idea, so it's a good idea.
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Posted 11 June 2019 - 04:06 PM

Boris Johnson goes full metal Trump and decides that he can just ignore any deal that his nation signed when he doesn't like it. The nationalists are gonna' love this but I suspect that if he does it the EU will find plenty of ways to make Britain pay over and over and over again.

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The frontrunner in the Conservative Party leadership contest, Boris Johnson announced that, if elected to be the UK’s next prime minister, he would refuse to pay the UK’s Brexit divorce bill unless better withdrawal terms are on offer from the EU. This £39 billion bill is the amount agreed to settle the UK’s obligations towards the EU budget and includes future spending commitments by the EU in Britain, beyond any exit date.

Johnson’s intention took most people – colleagues and EU counterparts alike – by surprise. Europe responded immediately to say that such an action would be considered a sovereign default by financial markets. While it’s hard to say if this will be the legal outcome of not paying, it’s safe to say it would seriously affect the UK’s finances and international standing.

Not honouring payment commitments isn’t something that developed countries are known for – especially not a G7 economy and leading financial centre like the UK. Not all debts are the same, however, and not all defaults have the same consequences.

Missing a payment owed by a state could technically be considered a sovereign default. But the answer as to what really happens as a result would be hidden in thousands of contractual terms and conditions and in the rules of credit reference agencies. Reneging on the Brexit divorce bill may be similar to the experience of the last developed country economy to experience a default event: Greece.


While I think conjuring up Greece is a big overstatement I still suspect that this could spook investors making money more expensive for the U.K. to borrow.
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Posted 12 June 2019 - 10:04 AM

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Posted 13 June 2019 - 10:40 AM

Looks like Boris Johnson is the top Tory choice so far. Britain is one step closer to having their own Trump-style buffoon leading their nation. Give him his due, he lied about Brexit continually, hid in the shadows while May predictably didn't deliver the greatest deal ever, and is now prepared to step over her dead and rotting political corpse to become PM.

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Boris Johnson has secured the highest number of votes in the first ballot to select the Conservative party leader and next prime minister.

Three contenders - Mark Harper, Andrea Leadsom and Esther McVey - have been knocked out, in the secret ballot held in the House of Commons.

Mr Johnson received 114 votes, Jeremy Hunt was second with 43, and Michael Gove third with 37 votes.

Seven candidates progress to the next round of voting next week.

The two most popular MPs will be put to Tory party members in a final vote later this month.

The winner of the contest to succeed Theresa May is expected to be announced in the week of 22 July.

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 09:55 AM

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“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

— Carl Sagan


Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
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Posted 25 June 2019 - 06:43 AM

Bang on. @AnBr.
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Posted 02 July 2019 - 03:35 AM

This is Tom Peck, the poilitical sketch columnist of The Independent.

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Theresa May’s biggest mistake, according to various people who used to work for her and now write newspaper columns explaining why it absolutely definitely wasn’t their fault, was that she never showed the EU she was serious about no deal.

If you’re not serious about no deal, they think you’re not going to do it. If you’re not serious about placing your own country under economic sanctions, about destroying hundreds of thousands of lives and livelihoods, crashing your own economy, smashing your own property market, these idiots at the EU will just think you’re not serious about doing it.

That’s why we’re in the mess we’re in: because we didn’t do enough to convince the EU we really had gone completely mad. Which is disappointing, in its way, as we definitely have.

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It’s all mad, all of it. That’s the point, of course. But there’s a catch-22 here. The only way Jeremy Hunt can convince the EU he’s serious about no deal is if he can convince the bloc he’s actually gone mad. But if he’s trying to convince the EU he’s gone mad, he’s obviously not mad. Not least as he’s worked out that he’s standing in an election that will be decided by 160,000 highly reactionary pensioners, most of whom have themselves gone mad.

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Posted 02 July 2019 - 06:49 AM

Talk about barking mad! What a cluster.
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Posted 02 July 2019 - 09:24 AM

Being seriously not mad is catch 22.

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Posted 02 July 2019 - 02:20 PM

Here is the latest from the UK Fake News channel...more accurate then the Real News but with cheek in tongue it makes for a hearty meal.

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 11:30 AM

The "no deal Brexit" (or hard Brexit) just got hit with a preemptive roadblock. If Boris Johnson becomes the UK's next PM he may find that it's not a lot of fun trying to govern in a nation you've hit with a massive shitstorm.

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He’s not even gotten the job yet, but Boris Johnson’s plans to force through Brexit if he’s appointed prime minister next week have already suffered a major blow. Johnson is nearly certain to become PM next week and he’s repeatedly threatened to suspend parliament to make sure lawmakers don’t stop the country from leaving the European Union on the Oct. 31 deadline. However, that plan was weakened Thursday when lawmakers voted against the government—including more than a dozen members of the governing Conservative party—in favor of a measure that could block that route. If the deadline is reached without parliament backing a deal between the U.K. government and the European Union, the U.K. is scheduled to automatically leave the bloc with no deal. There are enough members of parliament who are against a no-deal Brexit and they could block it if it’s voted upon, but Johnson has said he could avoid that by suspending parliament in the run-up to the deadline. However, the measure backed by lawmakers Thursday requires progress reports to be debated regularly, effectively preventing parliament from being shut down ahead of the deadline, the BBC reports.

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 12:35 PM

View PostLFC, on 18 July 2019 - 11:30 AM, said:

The "no deal Brexit" (or hard Brexit) just got hit with a preemptive roadblock. If Boris Johnson becomes the UK's next PM he may find that it's not a lot of fun trying to govern in a nation you've hit with a massive shitstorm.

Suspend Parliament? Shoot why not bring in the military to surround the building and put the Queen under house arrest to make the coup complete? All Heil Boris!

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 12:53 PM

You mean Yeltsin? He also disagreed quite vehemently with parliament...
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Posted 18 July 2019 - 12:59 PM

View PostTraveler, on 18 July 2019 - 12:53 PM, said:

You mean Yeltsin? He also disagreed quite vehemently with parliament...

There's something about the name Boris...

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 05:23 PM

View Postgolden_valley, on 18 July 2019 - 12:59 PM, said:

There's something about the name Boris...

Damn right.

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