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Posted 05 December 2019 - 01:29 PM

View PostAnBr, on 05 December 2019 - 11:49 AM, said:

It is frightening just how much alike the right-wing nationalists here and there are.

With the Russian bots at work in England during that particular election and what is rumored to have gone on in European country elections since then the similarity is not an unfortunate coincidence. That's the really frightening part to me.

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 01:27 PM

John Major encouraged Brits to not vote for his party.

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A former British prime minister from Boris Johnson’s own Conservative party is urging the public to vote against Conservative candidates in the country’s general election next week. In an unprecedented intervention, Sir John Major is expected join an election rally aimed at preventing Johnson from winning enough seats for a parliamentary majority when voters go to the polls next Thursday. He’s expected to be joined by his successor as prime minister, Tony Blair, at the event in London on Friday. The pair will urge people to vote tactically for the pro-EU candidates most likely to defeat the Conservatives in their local seats. Both Blair and Major support a second referendum on Brexit. In a pre-recorded speech ahead of the rally, Major will say old “tribal loyalties” of British politics have been loosened by Brexit, and that next week’s vote is the “final chance” to stop it.

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 01:28 PM

A senior British diplomat just quit because she was sick of having to repeat Johnson's lies.

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One of the senior diplomats at the British Embassy in Washington, D.C. has quit in protest at the “half-truths” and distortions she said she was expected to peddle as a representative of Boris Johnson’s Conservative government. Alexandra Hall Hall, who has worked in the foreign service for 33 years including a stint as ambassador to the Republic of Georgia, announced her resignation in a searing letter, which was obtained by CNN. “I would prefer to do something more rewarding with my time than peddle half-truths on behalf of a government I do not trust,” she wrote. As U.K. Brexit counselor, she was responsible for explaining Britain’s approach to Brexit on Capitol Hill. “I have been increasingly dismayed by the way in which our political leaders have tried to deliver Brexit,” she wrote. “[Including] the use of misleading or disingenuous arguments.”

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 08:28 PM

Conservative grandee Lord Heseltine urges Tory voters to ‘put country first’ and not vote Tory

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Lord Heseltine has urged voters to vote Liberal Democrat or for independent MPs who had left the party.

It is “a great delusion, so effective, get Brexit done. The idea that you can do it in a month, around Christmas,” he warned potential Tory voters.

“The real issue is what is at stake and it is the prosperity of the country and its relationship with the world,” warned the Tory grandee on the BBC’s Today programme. “I cannot vote and support people who will make the country poorer and less influential, full stop, end of story.”

Lord Heseltine, who served under Margaret Thatcher and John Major, said voters should “put country first”.

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Posted 07 December 2019 - 09:29 PM

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“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

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Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

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The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
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“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

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On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
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Posted 17 December 2019 - 04:39 PM

Johnson is driving Brexit forward. Good luck, U.K.

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Boris’s Brexit has begun.

Less than a week after winning a landslide victory in the United Kingdom’s general elections, Prime Minister Boris Johnson is laying out plans to fulfill his signature campaign promise: getting Brexit done.

On Tuesday, the prime minister’s office said Parliament could hold its first vote on Johnson’s Brexit deal as early as this Friday. That would be the first step toward the UK leaving the European Union by the current deadline of January 31, 2020.

This should surprise no one: Johnson campaigned on the promise to withdraw the UK from the EU early next year, and he now has a foolproof, 80-seat majority to get it done.

But Johnson also signaled that he’s keeping another one of his riskier campaign promises: to not extend the Brexit transition period past 2020. The prime minister’s office indicated it will tweak the Brexit legislation — which puts Johnson’s Brexit deal into UK law — to eliminate the possibility of extending the transition period past 2020.

That means the UK and the EU would have to strike a new trade deal between January 31 and before December 31, 2020. That’s about 11 months, for those counting.

This may all sound like boring technical details, but it could be a pretty significant move. That’s because Johnson’s decision limits his options and puts the UK at risk of a new “cliff edge” — an economically perilous EU crash-out — this time in December 2020.

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Posted 18 December 2019 - 06:43 AM

Yep. We're leaving. There is one big plus from the otherwise ghastly election result, that it puts an end to all the corrosive fighting about what the referendum result meant, was it a democratic mandate or just advisory, is FPTP a pile of crap, blah blah blah. Boris has a thumping great mandate to leave, and we, the British people, own it as much as do Boris and his unwholesome[1] rabble.

The bad news is, with this new bill making another extension illegal, he's boxed himself in and reduced his negotiating clout. The nearer the deadline to agree a deal, the more the EU can stand fast and dictate. We'll have the choice between a pretty hard "Canada-plus" Brexit (without much "plus"), BrINO[2], or, horribile dictu, No Deal. And another cliff edge[3].

It's Corbyn wot blew it.

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[1] Isn't unwholesome a wonderful put-down word? It should be used much more than it is.

[2] Brexit In Name Only, obv.

[3] Who is this Cliff Bleeding Edge person anyway? Always sticking his oar in.
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Posted 18 December 2019 - 09:11 AM

View PostAnBr, on 05 December 2019 - 11:49 AM, said:

It is frightening just how much alike the right-wing nationalists here and there are.

Almost like fingers on a hand, you might say.
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Posted 20 December 2019 - 11:14 AM

The first step has passed. Buckle up, U.K.

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Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal has won the overwhelming support of British lawmakers following the Conservative party’s crushing victory in last week’s general election. The vote, held Friday afternoon, paves the way for Britain to leave the European Union by the end of January. The clear support for the bill marked a break with the gridlock that has delayed Brexit multiple times over the past three years. Members of Parliament voted 358 to 234 in favor of the so-called Withdrawal Agreement, so it will now proceed to further scrutiny in the House of Commons and House of Lords. The bill will be debated in the House of Commons at the start of January, but Johnson’s large majority following last week’s election ensures it will go through relatively smoothly. The government has vowed to get the bill into law in time for the Jan. 31 Brexit deadline.

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Posted 12 January 2020 - 11:54 AM

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“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

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Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

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Second inaugural address January, 1937

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 08:12 PM

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“Trump’s a stupid man’s idea of a smart person, a poor man’s idea of a rich person & a weak man’s idea of a strong man.”

— Fran Lebowitz


“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

— Carl Sagan


Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937

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Posted 30 January 2020 - 09:56 AM

Well, the EU agreed today to the Brexit deal. The UK now stands alone. My prediction is they will beg to re-enter within the next decade. But by then, I doubt if there will be a UK left to deal with....
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Posted 30 January 2020 - 10:04 AM

View PostSinan, on 30 January 2020 - 09:56 AM, said:

Well, the EU agreed today to the Brexit deal. The UK now stands alone. My prediction is they will beg to re-enter within the next decade. But by then, I doubt if there will be a UK left to deal with....

In that vein it will be interesting to see how Scotland and Northern Ireland react.
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Posted 30 January 2020 - 10:43 AM

The mood here is quiet: Brexit fatigue, I shouldn't wonder. We've still got a trade deal with the EU to negotiate. Me in my ignorance, I'm thinking that BloJo will deliver BrINO: Brexit In Name Only. Why? No reason at all except for the precedent that, to get himself down from the gum tree, he simply double-crossed the DUP and put the EU-Ireland border in the Irish Sea with Northern Ireland the other side of it!!!

I'll leave it at that for now. Anything further I predict will be wrong. And I'm so punch-drunk I can't make myself care any more.
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Posted 30 January 2020 - 10:54 AM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 30 January 2020 - 10:43 AM, said:

The mood here is quiet: Brexit fatigue, I shouldn't wonder. We've still got a trade deal with the EU to negotiate. Me in my ignorance, I'm thinking that BloJo will deliver BrINO: Brexit In Name Only. Why? No reason at all except for the precedent that, to get himself down from the gum tree, he simply double-crossed the DUP and put the EU-Ireland border in the Irish Sea with Northern Ireland the other side of it!!!

I'll leave it at that for now. Anything further I predict will be wrong. And I'm so punch-drunk I can't make myself care any more.

If you can, might be a good time to move to the Algarve or Tenerife...just saying.
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Posted 30 January 2020 - 07:08 PM

Bon appetit to Mr. Bikkies and his countrymen. Trump is already starting to f*** you. I'm sure this is just the tip of the mushroom.

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Chlorinated chicken must be part of a post-Brexit trade agreement, the US secretary of state says – insisting that will make it a “really good deal” for British shoppers.

Mike Pompeo confirmed that Washington will demand the inclusion of its controversial agricultural products, despite Boris Johnson insisting he will not let them in if they lower standards.

Asked if the row over the chlorine-washed chicken would be “the biggest barrier” to a deal, Mr Pompeo agreed the issue would be “real contentious” – but warned US farmers would demand it.

“Our ask will be as it has been in the other negotiations,” he vowed, speaking to Iain Dale’s programme on LBC Radio. “We need to be open and honest about competitiveness.

“We need to make sure we don’t use food safety as a ruse to try and protect a particular industry.”

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Posted 30 January 2020 - 07:57 PM

View PostLFC, on 30 January 2020 - 07:08 PM, said:

Bon appetit to Mr. Bikkies and his countrymen. Trump is already starting to f*** you. I'm sure this is just the tip of the mushroom.

At least it can't go too deep.
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“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

— Carl Sagan


Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937

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Posted 30 January 2020 - 08:01 PM

View PostAnBr, on 30 January 2020 - 07:57 PM, said:

At least it can't go too deep.
True. But like a stout nuclear missile with limited range, the payload can still be deadly.
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Posted 30 January 2020 - 08:07 PM

View Postpnwguy, on 30 January 2020 - 08:01 PM, said:

True. But like a stout nuclear missile with limited range, the payload can still be deadly.

In a syphilitic way.
“Trump’s a stupid man’s idea of a smart person, a poor man’s idea of a rich person & a weak man’s idea of a strong man.”

— Fran Lebowitz


“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

— Carl Sagan


Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937

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Posted 31 January 2020 - 05:39 AM

View PostLFC, on 30 January 2020 - 07:08 PM, said:

Bon appetit to Mr. Bikkies and his countrymen. Trump is already starting to f*** you. I'm sure this is just the tip of the mushroom.

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