


Minimum Wage Thread
#41
Posted 11 August 2016 - 11:55 AM

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."
"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer
""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer
#42
Posted 12 August 2016 - 10:02 PM
— Fran Lebowitz
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
— Carl Sagan
Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8
"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.”
— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe
“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”
— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937
#43
Posted 14 August 2016 - 08:09 AM
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This step is a victory for job seekers, who have long been put at a disadvantage by employers who insist on knowing their past salary history. Employers commonly base salary offers on the information, which has meant that people who have been earning below-market wages are more likely to continue to be underpaid – which has historically been a particular issue for women, who are statistically likely to be paid less than their male counterparts for the same work.
I think this makes good sense. When an employer knows a candidate's current compensation, that tends to be the starting point of salary negotiations. Not knowing will force the employer to evaluate the applicants experience and perceived capabilities in relationship to their current staff. Note that the law doesn't preclude a candidate from divulging current salary information. I suspect when that person feels it is to their advantage, they will gladly offer their current compensation.
#44
Posted 18 August 2016 - 10:22 PM

— Fran Lebowitz
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
— Carl Sagan
Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8
"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.”
— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe
“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”
— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937
#45
Posted 19 August 2016 - 12:26 PM
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And it’s not just popular low-skilled jobs that artificial intelligence threatens. A 2013 study from Oxford University predicts that future technology could displace nearly half of American jobs. History has shown such predictions to be wildly exaggerated, of course. In the long race between education and technology, education typically wins.
But past performance might not be indicative of future results in this next wave of automation, and even those with higher skilled jobs might not be safe. Even jobs in finance, law, and medicine don’t offer the steady career paths they once did.
— Fran Lebowitz
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
— Carl Sagan
Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8
"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.”
— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe
“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”
— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937
#46
Posted 19 August 2016 - 12:32 PM
AI would be a boon for me. All I would have to do is the big picture stuff, while it could setup the models, run them, plot them out, draft the drawings, etc. etc. A lot of that is pretty brain dead work in terms of actually having to think. But it would kill my support staff. Which is no way to bring up the next generation of designers.
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices" Voltaire
#47
Posted 19 August 2016 - 12:49 PM
GOP delenda est.
Resist!
#49
Posted 19 August 2016 - 01:06 PM
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices" Voltaire
#51
Posted 19 August 2016 - 01:54 PM
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices" Voltaire
#52
Posted 19 August 2016 - 02:00 PM
Traveler, on 19 August 2016 - 01:54 PM, said:
I'd need to find the link, but they proclaimed they were going after Trump during the primary. A news story quoted members saying the effort fell apart do to infighting, disparate groups arguing strategy and other elements of disorganization. Reading it I couldn't help wondering if this was a counter-effort by someone, and Putin has the resources and interest in Trump succeeding.
GOP delenda est.
Resist!
#53
Posted 20 August 2016 - 02:28 AM
Progressive whisperer, on 19 August 2016 - 02:00 PM, said:
Interesting thought. But I think it was Sir Bernard Ingham (I'll look for the link) who said that if there is a choice between a cock-up theory and a conspiracy to to explain anything going pear-shaped, try the cock-up theory first. But Murrka's immunity to conspiracy is very low - by design in Republican-cum-Conservative circles - and even if you're paranoid somebody could be out to get you.
Does your news story mention any facts that particularly set you wondering? A mere hunch is sometimes justified[1].
[1]Quasimodo might have disagreed FAIK.
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#54
Posted 20 August 2016 - 03:02 AM
#55
Posted 20 August 2016 - 06:48 AM
Good piece by David Ignatius.
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The McKinsey analysts sharpened their argument in a paper released last month. Their estimates, based on U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics data covering more than 800 occupations, draw a shocking picture of the future. In manufacturing, 59 percent of activities could be automated, and that includes “90 percent of what welders, cutters, solderers and brazers do.” In food service and accommodations, 73 percent of the work could be performed by machines. In retailing, 53 percent of current jobs could be lost.
White-collar workers may imagine that they’re safe, but that’s wishful thinking. If computers can be programmed to understand speech as well as humans do, 66 percent of jobs in finance and insurance could be replaced, the most recent report says.
#56
Posted 20 August 2016 - 07:16 AM
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices" Voltaire
#57
Posted 20 August 2016 - 11:26 AM
AnBr, on 12 August 2016 - 10:02 PM, said:
Lost in all of this is that Dan Price was raised an Evangelical Christian, homeschooled until 12 and went to a Christian-focused college. His parents- especially his father- really lived the faith that most only mouth. Although he doesn't talk overtly about his faith, "moral imperative" was one of his bottom line reasons for ditching his own wealth to help those in his employ do better. And that was learned at home. Exemplary behavior based on real values, and what 99% of the so-called Christians out there only mouth.
And hey- he's attracted some incredible talent, along the way. A few stories (at least) out there about people quitting high-paying jobs to become part of the "Dan Price Experiment". I'm glad to hear that he's finally shed his brother's lawsuits. Brother's company (last I heard) is a competitor. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to see the two bury the hatchet and own their industry, together.
---Julia Child
--- On September 17, 1787, as Benjamin Franklin was leaving the deliberations of the Constitutional Convention, at Independence Hall, in Philadelphia, a woman called out to him, saying, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?”
“A republic,” Franklin said, “if you can keep it.”
--- LFC, on Gorsuch ruling: "Awesome. A Christianist who swore an oath to uphold the laws of the nation and bore false witness when he did it"
--- "Write hard and clear about what hurts"
Ernest Hemingway
#58
Posted 20 August 2016 - 12:10 PM
Art_Vandelay, on 20 August 2016 - 06:48 AM, said:
Good piece by David Ignatius.
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I work in the area of financial planning software and one of the biggest fears for traditional advisers are the software driven "robo advisers" that are coming out all over the place. High net worth folks still need actual advisers to navigate through the myriad of tax saving techniques, but that represents just a slice of the financial planning market. A lot of lower level advisers could be put out of work.
"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."
"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer
""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer
#59
Posted 20 August 2016 - 12:55 PM
It makes more sense to me than minimum wage laws.
#60
Posted 20 August 2016 - 12:57 PM
---Julia Child
--- On September 17, 1787, as Benjamin Franklin was leaving the deliberations of the Constitutional Convention, at Independence Hall, in Philadelphia, a woman called out to him, saying, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?”
“A republic,” Franklin said, “if you can keep it.”
--- LFC, on Gorsuch ruling: "Awesome. A Christianist who swore an oath to uphold the laws of the nation and bore false witness when he did it"
--- "Write hard and clear about what hurts"
Ernest Hemingway
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