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#5921 D. C. Sessions

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Posted 10 January 2020 - 07:03 AM

View PostLFC, on 09 January 2020 - 09:12 AM, said:

Donny, Jr. continues to prove himself to be a fake tough guy, just like his dad. Here he is thumping his pathetic little chest from a safe place as real troops are being placed in potential danger. The Trump base loves faux toughness.

Insert customary observation that back in the day, "tough" meant the same thing in people as in metallurgy: able to take a beating and not fall apart.

That was far too high a bar for the current crop, so it got redefined to "can dish it out when he's bigger and better armed so he never has to worry about being able to take it."
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Posted 10 January 2020 - 10:51 AM

A Politico writer invited Trump supporters to explain why they support Trump in the face of impeachment. A couple of quotes from respondents:

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a dentist from Deerfield, Illinois, considers himself a “thoughtful conservative” who sometimes must cover his ears when Trump uses words to stoke “hardcore supporters” or “enrage his hysterical detractors.” But this is countered by the fact that he regards the president as “incredibly tough” and a strong leader. He said he prefers “good policy” even if it means tolerating “bad optics” and a “big mouth” and will easily take Trump over what he sees as the “apology tours, regulation, pomposity, weak leadership" under former President Barack Obama.

Here is what the author calls the Scoundrel Discount:

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A 39-year-old computer engineer from Portland, Oregon, who asked to be identified only as Colin wrote that he doesn’t qualify as a conservative but can easily reconcile the evident inconsistency of those who condemned Bill Clinton’s moral and legal lapses but defend Trump’s conduct that, we now know, alarmed many of his own senior officials in the Ukraine matter. “Politicians are all corrupt and greedy, regardless of political party,” he said. “Trump is unique because he doesn't pretend otherwise. He's not a hypocritical politician like the rest of the swamp. Trump fights for his voters. He fights dirty, but so does everyone else, and he's on their side.”

Another version of scoundrel:

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“You may find my position neither consistent nor logical but there it is,” they wrote. “Consistency is certainly an essential standard of logical argument but it is, in my opinion, very overvalued as a measure of judgment. We live in ‘scoundrel times’ and when both sides prove themselves to be scoundrels, you may be forced to ‘pick your poison.’”



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Posted 10 January 2020 - 11:31 AM

View Postgolden_valley, on 10 January 2020 - 10:51 AM, said:

Here is what the author calls the Scoundrel Discount:

Scoundrel Discount = False Equivalence

Reading the whole piece you realize that the post-truth right-wing isn't coming, it's in full swing.

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Many people rejected my invitation to imagine what the reaction would be if President Hillary Clinton had behaved in the Ukraine matter in precisely the same way Trump did. “Your premise is flawed because there would be no impeachment if Hillary Clinton had done the same thing,” one correspondent wrote.

No grasp about what the Republicans did when she was SoS, the chants of "Lock her up!" with not due process, and a stated promise by Republican House leadership that investigations would start day one. Trump attracts the kind of ignorati who can't stand to admit that they don't know shit.
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Posted 11 January 2020 - 10:29 AM

View PostLFC, on 10 January 2020 - 11:31 AM, said:

No grasp about what the Republicans did when she was SoS, the chants of "Lock her up!" with not due process, and a stated promise by Republican House leadership that investigations would start day one. Trump attracts the kind of ignorati who can't stand to admit that they don't know shit.

They "know" that Hilary was a crook. Years of denigration of the Clintons dating back to Bill Clinton's first term, years of Ken Starr investigating, and then Clinton Cash...it all set the stage for their knowledge. She was guilty; she just wasn't caught yet.

Trump was the tough, successful businessman on tv as far as many of them knew.

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Posted 11 January 2020 - 11:18 AM

View Postgolden_valley, on 11 January 2020 - 10:29 AM, said:

They "know" that Hilary was a crook. Years of denigration of the Clintons dating back to Bill Clinton's first term, years of Ken Starr investigating, and then Clinton Cash...it all set the stage for their knowledge.

It goes back further than that. She first earned the attention of Repugs back when she worked on the Watergate inquiry. The reich-wing was after them when he was still governor of Arkansas. The Arkansas Project began in the 1980s.
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Posted 24 January 2020 - 11:58 AM

Only under Trump.

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A few days ago, the brand new United States Space Force took to Twitter to unveil its first utility uniform, and it was met with a deluge of mockery. The reason is very simple: the Trump Administration deemed the best uniform for a force to deal with space was a woodland camouflage print, a pattern employed by Armed Forces worldwide for camouflaging in forests.

Many, many people pointed out the obvious: There are no trees in space. Space does not look like land.

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" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer





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