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Posted 10 January 2020 - 07:03 AM

View PostLFC, on 09 January 2020 - 09:12 AM, said:

Donny, Jr. continues to prove himself to be a fake tough guy, just like his dad. Here he is thumping his pathetic little chest from a safe place as real troops are being placed in potential danger. The Trump base loves faux toughness.

Insert customary observation that back in the day, "tough" meant the same thing in people as in metallurgy: able to take a beating and not fall apart.

That was far too high a bar for the current crop, so it got redefined to "can dish it out when he's bigger and better armed so he never has to worry about being able to take it."
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Posted 10 January 2020 - 10:51 AM

A Politico writer invited Trump supporters to explain why they support Trump in the face of impeachment. A couple of quotes from respondents:

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a dentist from Deerfield, Illinois, considers himself a “thoughtful conservative” who sometimes must cover his ears when Trump uses words to stoke “hardcore supporters” or “enrage his hysterical detractors.” But this is countered by the fact that he regards the president as “incredibly tough” and a strong leader. He said he prefers “good policy” even if it means tolerating “bad optics” and a “big mouth” and will easily take Trump over what he sees as the “apology tours, regulation, pomposity, weak leadership" under former President Barack Obama.

Here is what the author calls the Scoundrel Discount:

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A 39-year-old computer engineer from Portland, Oregon, who asked to be identified only as Colin wrote that he doesn’t qualify as a conservative but can easily reconcile the evident inconsistency of those who condemned Bill Clinton’s moral and legal lapses but defend Trump’s conduct that, we now know, alarmed many of his own senior officials in the Ukraine matter. “Politicians are all corrupt and greedy, regardless of political party,” he said. “Trump is unique because he doesn't pretend otherwise. He's not a hypocritical politician like the rest of the swamp. Trump fights for his voters. He fights dirty, but so does everyone else, and he's on their side.”

Another version of scoundrel:

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“You may find my position neither consistent nor logical but there it is,” they wrote. “Consistency is certainly an essential standard of logical argument but it is, in my opinion, very overvalued as a measure of judgment. We live in ‘scoundrel times’ and when both sides prove themselves to be scoundrels, you may be forced to ‘pick your poison.’”



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Posted 10 January 2020 - 11:31 AM

View Postgolden_valley, on 10 January 2020 - 10:51 AM, said:

Here is what the author calls the Scoundrel Discount:

Scoundrel Discount = False Equivalence

Reading the whole piece you realize that the post-truth right-wing isn't coming, it's in full swing.

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Many people rejected my invitation to imagine what the reaction would be if President Hillary Clinton had behaved in the Ukraine matter in precisely the same way Trump did. “Your premise is flawed because there would be no impeachment if Hillary Clinton had done the same thing,” one correspondent wrote.

No grasp about what the Republicans did when she was SoS, the chants of "Lock her up!" with not due process, and a stated promise by Republican House leadership that investigations would start day one. Trump attracts the kind of ignorati who can't stand to admit that they don't know shit.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 11 January 2020 - 10:29 AM

View PostLFC, on 10 January 2020 - 11:31 AM, said:

No grasp about what the Republicans did when she was SoS, the chants of "Lock her up!" with not due process, and a stated promise by Republican House leadership that investigations would start day one. Trump attracts the kind of ignorati who can't stand to admit that they don't know shit.

They "know" that Hilary was a crook. Years of denigration of the Clintons dating back to Bill Clinton's first term, years of Ken Starr investigating, and then Clinton Cash...it all set the stage for their knowledge. She was guilty; she just wasn't caught yet.

Trump was the tough, successful businessman on tv as far as many of them knew.

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Posted 11 January 2020 - 11:18 AM

View Postgolden_valley, on 11 January 2020 - 10:29 AM, said:

They "know" that Hilary was a crook. Years of denigration of the Clintons dating back to Bill Clinton's first term, years of Ken Starr investigating, and then Clinton Cash...it all set the stage for their knowledge.

It goes back further than that. She first earned the attention of Repugs back when she worked on the Watergate inquiry. The reich-wing was after them when he was still governor of Arkansas. The Arkansas Project began in the 1980s.
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Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

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The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 11:58 AM

Only under Trump.

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A few days ago, the brand new United States Space Force took to Twitter to unveil its first utility uniform, and it was met with a deluge of mockery. The reason is very simple: the Trump Administration deemed the best uniform for a force to deal with space was a woodland camouflage print, a pattern employed by Armed Forces worldwide for camouflaging in forests.

Many, many people pointed out the obvious: There are no trees in space. Space does not look like land.

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" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 06:00 PM

Doesn't NASA have something the Space Force could use?

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 07:25 PM

View Postgolden_valley, on 24 January 2020 - 06:00 PM, said:

Doesn't NASA have something the Space Force could use?

It's not in the gang color scheme.
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"Robots aren't the problem. Capitalism is." -- Last words of Stephen Hawking.
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"I'd rather have my child, but by golly, if I gotta give her up, we're gonna make it count." -- Her mother
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Posted 27 January 2020 - 12:01 PM

The Trump hotel in D.C. is effectively up for sale. The MAGAts are sad because that was their sanctuary in Washington. This shows that they are not only dismissive of the Emoluments Clause of our Constitution but they are downright hostile to it. They LOVED shoving their cash in Trump's pockets.

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Donald Trump’s hotel in Washington, D.C., went up for sale this month, with bids to take up the president’s 60-year lease on the federally owned Old Post Office due last Thursday. But while the winning bidder’s plans for the hotel likely won’t be known for a while, MAGA activists are already mourning the expected loss of what has become the capital’s social center for Trumpism.

“It’s the place to see and be seen when you’re in D.C.,” said Jacob Engels, a conservative political operative and protégé of former Trump adviser Roger Stone.

On Twitter, self-proclaimed “Democrat to Deplorable” pro-Trump personality John Goldman, who uses the name “Jack Murphy” online, lamented the hotel’s end.

“What will happen to the MAGA Networking and Social Scene in Washington DC then?” Goldman wrote. “There’s nothing like the Trump Hotel. Nor will many places be as accommodating.”

The Trump Organization didn’t respond to a request for comment.

Since opening in September 2016, the Trump International has become Washington’s hub for all levels of MAGA-world, from Cabinet secretaries and the president himself to hangers-on and red-hat-wearing tourists. The hotel’s lobby—ornate and ostentatious in typical Trumpian fashion—is a place to meet up with other Trump fans, and grab selfies with prominent officials and right-wing personalities. It’s also a place where Trumpists believe they’ll be protected from the kind of liberal hecklers who confronted then-Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen at a downtown restaurant in 2018—a kind of political Green Zone in an otherwise hostile city.

But that all seems destined to end. Whoever wins the bid to take over Trump’s lease with federal government is likely to ditch the Trump branding. Promotional materials advertising the lease sale obtained by The Washington Post noted that a new operator could have more success “unencumbered” by Trump’s name.

“Awful color scheme and over-priced drinks aside, the Trump Hotel was one of our few sanctuaries in a city adverse to MAGA folks,” Lucian Wintrich, a former White House correspondent for right-wing blog The Gateway Pundit, told The Daily Beast.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 27 January 2020 - 12:24 PM

View PostLFC, on 27 January 2020 - 12:01 PM, said:

The Trump hotel in D.C. is effectively up for sale. The MAGAts are sad because that was their sanctuary in Washington. This shows that they are not only dismissive of the Emoluments Clause of our Constitution but they are downright hostile to it. They LOVED shoving their cash in Trump's pockets.

Does Trump need cash? More cash than he can get by renting out hotel rooms to Saudis and other rich people?

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Posted 27 January 2020 - 12:24 PM

View PostLFC, on 27 January 2020 - 12:01 PM, said:

The Trump hotel in D.C. is effectively up for sale. The MAGAts are sad because that was their sanctuary in Washington. This shows that they are not only dismissive of the Emoluments Clause of our Constitution but they are downright hostile to it. They LOVED shoving their cash in Trump's pockets.

I think Mr Bezos should buy it and call it Clinton Gardens
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Posted 27 January 2020 - 12:44 PM

View Postgolden_valley, on 27 January 2020 - 12:24 PM, said:

Does Trump need cash? More cash than he can get by renting out hotel rooms to Saudis and other rich people?

For the kind of cash he needs, you have to be offering something besides a hotel room.
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Posted 27 January 2020 - 06:03 PM

View Postandydp, on 27 January 2020 - 12:24 PM, said:

I think Mr Bezos should buy it and call it Clinton Gardens

Or even the Bezos Gardens would really gall tRump.
“Trump’s a stupid man’s idea of a smart person, a poor man’s idea of a rich person & a weak man’s idea of a strong man.”

— Fran Lebowitz


“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

— Carl Sagan


Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937

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Posted 28 January 2020 - 06:15 AM

With Trump's focus on making money off labeling things "Trump", I'm sure Bezos buying it and leaving the name as-is would also really gall tRump.
Well, fuck.

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Posted 28 January 2020 - 08:34 AM

View Postandydp, on 27 January 2020 - 12:24 PM, said:

I think Mr Bezos should buy it and call it Clinton Gardens
Or just a bit tongue in cheek, the Amazon Post, Washington Amazon, etc.
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Posted 28 January 2020 - 10:48 AM

Obama Gardens has a nice ring to it as well.
“Trump’s a stupid man’s idea of a smart person, a poor man’s idea of a rich person & a weak man’s idea of a strong man.”

— Fran Lebowitz


“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

— Carl Sagan


Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937

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Posted 28 January 2020 - 05:23 PM

After Pompeo threw a Trumper Tantrum™ at the NPR reporter and belittled her by saying she couldn't find Ukraine on a blank map (she has an advanced degree in, I believe, European political history sooooooo ... yeah, sure) George Conway decided to get in on the fun. He collected up and tweeted out an entire list of Trump geography blunders. Some were pretty awful and oh so perfectly Trumpian.

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I have to say that really is my personal favorite. @realDonaldTrump is there trashing the presidents of Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia for the breakup Yugoslavia, and they’re like, WTF. And then it dons on them—Balkans, Baltics ... buffoon.

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.@realDonaldTrump thinks there are countries on this planet called “Nipple” and “Button.” (Do NOT, under any circumstances, ask him to point them out. PLEASE.)

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Oh, wait. A small correction. @realDonaldTrump thought Nipple and Button were in India, not separate countries. My bad—we all make mistakes. Sorry.

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.@realDonaldTrump once told the prime minister of India, “It’s not like you’ve got China on your border.” (India has a 2,520-mile border with China.)

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“After I had won, everybody was calling me from all over the world. I never knew we had so many countries.”

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Posted 29 January 2020 - 06:36 PM

Trump is leaving our country in a complete and total mess so why would we expect better from his supporters?

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If you were in the market for a new beach chair, Tuesday night in Wildwood was the time to pick one up.

The thousands of people who descended upon the Jersey Shore town for President Donald Trump's 'Keep America Great' rally at the Wildwoods Convention Center left behind a sea of trash in the parking lot — including their abandoned beach chairs and blankets — after the rally wrapped up.

Rally-goers were allowed to bring chairs as they waited in line — some for up to 48 hours before the event — but they weren't allowed to bring them inside the venue.

Factor in the blankets they used to stay warm, and all their drinks and food they were snacking on during the long wait in the parking lot and the convention center ends up with a parking lot full of trash to deal with Wednesday morning.

Fox Park, however, where the line ended Tuesday and where crowds remained to watch Trump on the jumbotron when they couldn't get inside, was spotless Wednesday morning.

City officials said the park cleanup was the responsibility of Wildwood, while the parking lot mess was the responsibility of the convention center, which Wildwood city does not manage.

Mayor Pete Byron on Tuesday said he wasn't invited to the rally after he told NJ Advance Media he would be seeking reimbursement from the local Republican party. He had instructed all city workers to keep detailed logs of hours and expenses related to the rally. Byron did not return a request for comment early Wednesday morning.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 04 February 2020 - 02:13 PM

There's a new book coming out about Deutsche Bank's propping up of Trump and their role in Trump/Russia money laundering. Nothing new to see here in general but I do hope the specifics spawn more investigations into the Trump Organization. I want him to be plagued once he's out of office.

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Despite decades of default worries, lawsuits, and acrimony, Deutsche Bank officials are said to have ignored deep internal concerns about Donald Trump and his finances and loaned him billions of dollars and introduced him to wealthy investors—including Russians—who were looking to keep their real-estate dealings anonymous. Dark Towers: Deutsche Bank, Donald Trump, and an Epic Trail of Destruction, a new book by New York Times Financial Editor David Enrich due Feb. 18, reports that, in 2006, the German banking giant’s employees organized get-togethers for Trump and a Los Angeles partner with its rich clients—including some Russians—“who used anonymous shell companies to buy units” in a Hawaii hotel complex the future president was developing. Enrich reports that Deutsche, which has been caught enabling money-laundering for Russian oligarchs and misleading financial regulators in three countries, also helped Trump create “special purpose vehicles” that made it “easier for him quietly and inexpensively to acquire international properties for himself and his companies.” The financial entities also helped “the mogul strike under-the-radar deals in far-flung locales, including some that were popular destinations for people looking to hide assets,” an excerpt of the book reads.

The book claims a reckless pursuit of profits by Deutsche executives and compartmentalized sets of bankers led to the Trump loans, but they did come after officials fretted over his ties to organized-crime figures in Atlantic City and New York and concerns that his projects “were laundromats for illicit funds from countries like Russia, where oligarchs were trying to get money out of the country.” In the end, Enrich writes the entire real-estate industry was dealing with such “flight capital” and “the loans looked profitable, the relationship felt valuable, and the concerns went unheeded.”

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 04 February 2020 - 02:21 PM

Just a reminder of how Trump got his start in presidential politics. Of course it was based on lying. But first a bonus piece of hypocrisy.

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One of the most important people in Donald Trump’s life whom you’ve probably never heard of is “Gabe.” The reason a lot of people don’t know who he is, is that there is an unofficial protection racket set up to keep Gabe’s name out of the press. Multiple well-known Trumpworld personalities chided us throughout the course of our reporting on Gabe, even for some of our more mundane questions, such as, “What’s his last name?”

For what it’s worth, it’s Perez. And in a certain respect, Gabe has mastered the art of controlling Trump’s public statements. The president is known for his rambling asides, and that is where Gabe shines. Those who would speak with us about him said Gabe has an uncanny ability to edit scrolling teleprompter text in a way that fits seamlessly with Trump’s unpredictable speaking style. He knows when to pause. He can follow Trump’s stream of consciousness effectively enough to get boss right back on track, even after a not-uncommon 10-minute deviation. During the campaign, these skills were an invaluable asset.

The intense hypocrisy of Trump’s reliance on Gabe was obvious. He’d spent years suggesting that Barack Obama was incapable of delivering a speech without reading from prepared remarks. And if Trump could do so, even during a campaign defined by his freewheeling rants, it was probably better for everyone if he himself didn’t come up with his own public remarks.


Here's what the stable genius did. Got to the link to read the complete and total meltdown when they didn't recognize his genius.

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By 2016, he apparently considered it a liability. But to jettison this from his arsenal would be to ignore what made Trump, well…Trump. Still, the decision was made by the future president and his senior staff that it was worth letting this one slide. In the days leading up to Trump’s first presidential debate with Hillary Clinton, held at Hofstra University on September 26, 2016, Team Trump tried to organize an event at the site of the Trump International Hotel in the nation’s capital. There, he would—however tepidly—relinquish birtherism at long last.

But first, the campaign wanted Trump to release an official written statement renouncing birther conspiracy theories and declaring once and for all that baby Barack was born in the United States. His aides asked him for a short and sweet statement, just a few sentences; they could put this to bed quickly and hopefully without causing a big fuss.

Trump convened some of his top campaign brass, including Hope Hicks and Jason Miller, on a conference call that month as he was patched in from his executive perch at Trump Tower in Manhattan. He told them he wanted to dictate a statement.

“Okay, are you ready?” Trump asked everyone on the call. “Okay, here it is….”

This kicked off what two people on the call independently described as a seven‐minute, meandering spat of word vomit during which Trump kept finding new ways to say that his birther crusade was, in fact, necessary, good, and proper. He repeatedly echoed his past comments on the matter, claiming credit for forcing President Obama to settle the issue by publicly releasing his original long-form birth certificate. He insisted this never would have happened without his incessant questioning of Obama’s birthplace. He had achieved what John McCain, Bill Clinton, and so many others could only dream of doing, he thought. He blamed Hillary Clinton for being the godmother of the racist birtherism craze and for starting it in the first place. (She didn’t.) So really, Trump reasoned, what he did was a smashing success that warranted no apology, and he was happy he helped settle one of the great questions of our time.

Had this soliloquy been made public, it would have spanned two pages, single spaced.

“You get all that?” Trump asked.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer





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