Jump to content


Thanks for the Lead Gov Snyder


65 replies to this topic

#1 AnBr

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 15817 posts

Posted 07 January 2016 - 08:07 PM

https://www.washingt...-in-flint-mich/

http://crooksandliar...begins-and-ends
“Trump’s a stupid man’s idea of a smart person, a poor man’s idea of a rich person & a weak man’s idea of a strong man.”

— Fran Lebowitz


“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

— Carl Sagan


Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937

#2 LFC

    Fiscal Conservative

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 38477 posts
  • LocationPennsylvania

Posted 07 January 2016 - 11:49 PM

Occupy Democrats are positively brutal on this one. Not that I can see that they're incorrect.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

#3 AnBr

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 15817 posts

Posted 08 January 2016 - 02:11 PM

Snyder and his gang of thugs should be held criminally liable. It is going to cost billions to take care of all of the waterlines in Flint.
“Trump’s a stupid man’s idea of a smart person, a poor man’s idea of a rich person & a weak man’s idea of a strong man.”

— Fran Lebowitz


“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

— Carl Sagan


Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937

#4 Progressive whisperer

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 10233 posts

Posted 11 January 2016 - 09:12 AM

View PostAnBr, on 08 January 2016 - 02:11 PM, said:

Snyder and his gang of thugs should be held criminally liable. It is going to cost billions to take care of all of the waterlines in Flint.

Actually, those responsible for the decision should be forced to drink lead infused water for the remainder of their lives, while trying to figure out how to fight to regain all their confiscated assets.

Also, confiscate the assets of Amway to pay for the additional costs lead poisoning will require for the foreseeable future.

Not gonna happen, probably won't see the responsible people in the dock, but you can dream.

Trump delenda est.
GOP delenda est.
Resist!

#5 LFC

    Fiscal Conservative

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 38477 posts
  • LocationPennsylvania

Posted 17 January 2016 - 01:26 PM

So if you're a Republican Congressman, how do you follow up on a disastrous situation like the Republic Governor of Michigan foisted upon the people of Flint? By trying to rescind clean water rules, or course!

Quote

It would seem inarguable that one of the government’s basic responsibilities is to set standards ensuring that people in the United States have safe drinking water. So in May 2015 when the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) released its final version of the Clean Water Rule, “the agency cheered the broad reach of the rule, arguing that it would protect the drinking water of some 117 million Americans, or roughly a third of the population.”

But then along came Senator Joni Ernst (R-IA), who promptly introduced a resolution to kill the EPA’s Clean Water Rule that was passed in November – ostensibly to protect “farmers and ranchers”, who coincidentally only comprise two percent of the population. Yesterday, the Republican-led House similarly voted 253-166 for a resolution to overturn the EPA ruling. President Barack Obama has, all-along, threatened to veto the resolutions should they pass Congress.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

#6 Traveler

    Rambling Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 13921 posts
  • LocationPhilly Area

Posted 18 January 2016 - 03:19 AM

some dems voted for that?
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened."-- Winston Churchill
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices" Voltaire

#7 Progressive whisperer

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 10233 posts

Posted 18 January 2016 - 08:48 AM

View PostLFC, on 17 January 2016 - 01:26 PM, said:

So if you're a Republican Congressman, how do you follow up on a disastrous situation like the Republic Governor of Michigan foisted upon the people of Flint? By trying to rescind clean water rules, or course!

Of course, the problem is not that they poisoned a bunch of people, including children, in attempting to save money. The problem is some damned libul government thug pointed it out and is trying to hold them accountable. That's what gets RWers outraged!

Trump delenda est.
GOP delenda est.
Resist!

#8 andydp

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 5182 posts
  • LocationUpstate NY near Albany

Posted 18 January 2016 - 08:53 AM

Just to ask: is there talk of criminal charges ?
Side comment: isn't Sen Jodi Ernst the bread bag lady ? I bet her farming family might have to mitigate runoff of some sort...
Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Rev Martin Luther King Jr.

Obamacare took my guns away and put me in a FEMA reeducation camp
Anonymous

If you've got public schools paid for by taxpayers, you're in a socialist nation. If you have public roads paid for by taxpayers, socialist nation. If you've got public defense (police, fire, military, coast guard) paid for by tax dollars, socialist nation. If you're in a nation that has nationalized or localized delivery of services that are not paid for by users alone, you're in a socialist nation- the only question is how socialist. As I see it, we pay the military pay to protect the shipping lanes for our fuel needs which makes us very socialist. In a capitalist nation, the people supplying the oil would pay for their own defense force.
DC Coronata

“I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.”

Margaret Thatcher


(Select anyone who gets blind loyalty from followers/voters) "...is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."(Manchurian candidate)



"I can't go out because of the virus" sounds whiny and boring. I'm going with: "I've sworn an oath of solitude until the pestilence is purged from the lands." because it sounds more valiant and heroic. As a bonus, people might think you're carrying a sword.

FB posting


Its theorized if you put enough monkeys together with typewriters, eventually they'll write Shakespeare. But first, they write Trump speeches.

FB Posting



Calumny is only the noise of madmen. — Diogenes


When you have no basis for an argument, abuse the plaintiff. Marcus Tullius Cicero


What separates the winners from the losers is how a person reacts to each new twist of fate.

Donald Trump

I get it. They had a guy ratf**k the post office. They filled the courts with hacks. They spent a ton of money. They filed so many lawsuits. They even started a riot ! It’s so unfair that they went to all that trouble and still lost. Anonymous

#9 indy

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 9839 posts

Posted 18 January 2016 - 08:58 AM

View Postandydp, on 18 January 2016 - 08:53 AM, said:

Just to ask: is there talk of criminal charges ?
Side comment: isn't Sen Jodi Ernst the bread bag lady ? I bet her farming family might have to mitigate runoff of some sort...

In general, to hold an elected official responsible for criminal misconduct they have to obtain a personal benefit or they did it knowing what the consequences would be (very hard to prove that). If you think about it, it sort of makes sense, since nobody would want to do anything with any risk in their official capacity if they can be held personally criminally liable if it turned out badly.

#10 andydp

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 5182 posts
  • LocationUpstate NY near Albany

Posted 18 January 2016 - 09:15 AM

View Postindy, on 18 January 2016 - 08:58 AM, said:



In general, to hold an elected official responsible for criminal misconduct they have to obtain a personal benefit or they did it knowing what the consequences would be (very hard to prove that). If you think about it, it sort of makes sense, since nobody would want to do anything with any risk in their official capacity if they can be held personally criminally liable if it turned out badly.

Like Gov Christie ? (sorry, could'nt resist the cheap shot.)
Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Rev Martin Luther King Jr.

Obamacare took my guns away and put me in a FEMA reeducation camp
Anonymous

If you've got public schools paid for by taxpayers, you're in a socialist nation. If you have public roads paid for by taxpayers, socialist nation. If you've got public defense (police, fire, military, coast guard) paid for by tax dollars, socialist nation. If you're in a nation that has nationalized or localized delivery of services that are not paid for by users alone, you're in a socialist nation- the only question is how socialist. As I see it, we pay the military pay to protect the shipping lanes for our fuel needs which makes us very socialist. In a capitalist nation, the people supplying the oil would pay for their own defense force.
DC Coronata

“I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.”

Margaret Thatcher


(Select anyone who gets blind loyalty from followers/voters) "...is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."(Manchurian candidate)



"I can't go out because of the virus" sounds whiny and boring. I'm going with: "I've sworn an oath of solitude until the pestilence is purged from the lands." because it sounds more valiant and heroic. As a bonus, people might think you're carrying a sword.

FB posting


Its theorized if you put enough monkeys together with typewriters, eventually they'll write Shakespeare. But first, they write Trump speeches.

FB Posting



Calumny is only the noise of madmen. — Diogenes


When you have no basis for an argument, abuse the plaintiff. Marcus Tullius Cicero


What separates the winners from the losers is how a person reacts to each new twist of fate.

Donald Trump

I get it. They had a guy ratf**k the post office. They filled the courts with hacks. They spent a ton of money. They filed so many lawsuits. They even started a riot ! It’s so unfair that they went to all that trouble and still lost. Anonymous

#11 indy

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 9839 posts

Posted 18 January 2016 - 09:28 AM

View Postandydp, on 18 January 2016 - 09:15 AM, said:

Like Gov Christie ? (sorry, could'nt resist the cheap shot.)

Well, of course, his aides were indicted with criminal charges. If they think they can prove he was behind it, they'll likely indict him as well.

#12 Progressive whisperer

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 10233 posts

Posted 18 January 2016 - 09:53 AM

View Postindy, on 18 January 2016 - 09:28 AM, said:



Well, of course, his aides were indicted with criminal charges. If they think they can prove he was behind it, they'll likely indict him as well.

Same way they break criminal organizations, find someone you can prove guilty and roll up from there.

There does have to be a will in the law enforcement side to get it done.

Trump delenda est.
GOP delenda est.
Resist!

#13 LFC

    Fiscal Conservative

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 38477 posts
  • LocationPennsylvania

Posted 18 January 2016 - 11:53 AM

Pick your word. Criminal. Unconscionable. Evil. Or maybe just all of the above. This was a conspiracy to hide the poisoning of Flint's residents and try to save money. (Bold is mine.)

Quote

Back in April 2014, an unelected manager appointed by the state to make Flint solvent decided the city could save money by drawing water from the Flint River instead of Lake Huron. Local residents thought it was a joke given the ugliness thought to be swimming in that river.

It would have taken a five-minute test to prove the river water unsafe. City leaders, who were then weighing less expensive options, knew as early as 2011 that water from the Flint River would need treatment with an anticorrosive agent before it would be drinkable.

In the end, the governor says he had no choice, since Detroit “kicked Flint off” its Lake Huron system. The fact is that never happened. Detroit asked for a rate change and instead of negotiating, Gov. Rick Snyder’s appointee opted out. They were more concerned about saving money than saving lives.

To make matters worse, the Michigan State Department of Environmental Quality decided $100 a day was too much to pay for an anticorrosive additive that could appropriately treat the water. Consequently, the iron pipes eroded— turning the water brown—and lead began seeping into the water supply.

State and federal officials knew there was a problem. With brown water pumping out of kitchen faucets and fire hydrants, there was no way to hide their error.

State agencies reportedly used testing methodologies that would hide the real level of pollutants—including flushing residential systems before testing. They cheated to make it appear that the water was in compliance, knowing that skewed tests were used.

Ultimately, it took 18 months and a mother named LeAnne Walters who wouldn’t give up, Chicago-based EPA regulations manager, a local physician, an investigative journalist and a class action lawsuit to force the state to do the right thing.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

#14 Progressive whisperer

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 10233 posts

Posted 18 January 2016 - 01:10 PM

And now Gov. Synder whines about Clinton politicizing the issue by bringing it up in the debate.

Not only should he be in jail, he should be forced to drink and tread water in untreated Flint river water for a couple of years. He is clearly more toxic than anything in the river.
Trump delenda est.
GOP delenda est.
Resist!

#15 LFC

    Fiscal Conservative

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 38477 posts
  • LocationPennsylvania

Posted 18 January 2016 - 03:27 PM

View PostProgressive whisperer, on 18 January 2016 - 01:10 PM, said:

And now Gov. Synder whines about Clinton politicizing the issue by bringing it up in the debate.

Well if there's anything a Republican politician hates, it's being held responsible for the outcomes of their actions.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

#16 AnBr

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 15817 posts

Posted 18 January 2016 - 03:30 PM

View PostLFC, on 18 January 2016 - 03:27 PM, said:

Well if there's anything a Republican politician hates, it's being held responsible for the outcomes of their actions.

Ah, yes. The party of personal responsibility.
“Trump’s a stupid man’s idea of a smart person, a poor man’s idea of a rich person & a weak man’s idea of a strong man.”

— Fran Lebowitz


“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

— Carl Sagan


Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937

#17 MRahen

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 54 posts
  • LocationSouth Carolina

Posted 19 January 2016 - 03:59 PM

And someone else has to come in and clean up the mess. It has taken Obama 3 days since he declared an emergency to take action. https://www.whitehou...-response-flint

#18 LFC

    Fiscal Conservative

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 38477 posts
  • LocationPennsylvania

Posted 19 January 2016 - 04:54 PM

View PostMRahen, on 19 January 2016 - 03:59 PM, said:

And someone else has to come in and clean up the mess. It has taken Obama 3 days since he declared an emergency to take action. https://www.whitehou...-response-flint

I think it's appropriate to bill Michigan for any taxpayer dollars it sucks up on this obviously avoidable debacle. This situation wasn't caused by a massive hurricane, tornado, or earthquake. It was created through willful negligence and studiously ignored ... maybe in an attempt by the governor to ride out his term and hand the problem over to the next governor.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

#19 AnBr

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 15817 posts

Posted 19 January 2016 - 05:02 PM

View PostLFC, on 19 January 2016 - 04:54 PM, said:

I think it's appropriate to bill Michigan for any taxpayer dollars it sucks up on this obviously avoidable debacle. This situation wasn't caused by a massive hurricane, tornado, or earthquake. It was created through willful negligence and studiously ignored ... maybe in an attempt by the governor to ride out his term and hand the problem over to the next governor.

How about a federally appointed emergency state manager to assume all powers of the state government the way Snyder did to flint?
“Trump’s a stupid man’s idea of a smart person, a poor man’s idea of a rich person & a weak man’s idea of a strong man.”

— Fran Lebowitz


“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

— Carl Sagan


Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937

#20 LFC

    Fiscal Conservative

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 38477 posts
  • LocationPennsylvania

Posted 20 January 2016 - 05:15 PM

View PostLFC, on 17 January 2016 - 01:26 PM, said:

So if you're a Republican Congressman, how do you follow up on a disastrous situation like the Republic Governor of Michigan foisted upon the people of Flint? By trying to rescind clean water rules, or course!

And here's an example of just one reason that it's so important that we elect a Democratic President again. Gotta' love that veto pen. Joni Ernst (remember that dim bulb?) sponsored the bill and had this to say about it being vetoed:

Quote

“We all want clean water," Ernst said in a statement. "This rule is not about clean water. Rather, it is about how much authority the federal government and unelected bureaucrats should have to regulate what is done on private land."


Psssst. Joni. Everybody understands that you're not the sharpest tack, but pollution on private land doesn't necessarily stay there. So yes, this is definitely regulating what is done on private land so it doesn't impact somebody else's private land, public land, or public waterways. And BTW, does the term "DUH!" mean anything to you?
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer





1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users