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Posted 13 September 2019 - 08:44 AM

Beto O'Rourke called for forced buyback of all assault rifles. A Republican politician and supposed "responsible gun owner" had this to say.

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“My AR is ready for you Robert Francis,” wrote Briscoe Cain, using O’Rourke’s given name. Cain represents the state’s 128th House district, located just outside of Houston, where the third Democratic primary debate was held. Twitter has since taken down the tweet


And they wonder why we don't take them seriously when they say they're responsible and not a threat. I don't know, maybe because you like to thump your little chests, wave your gun in the air, and ... uuuuuuuhhhhh ... THREATEN people?
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Posted 13 September 2019 - 10:42 AM

View PostLFC, on 13 September 2019 - 08:44 AM, said:

Beto O'Rourke called for forced buyback of all assault rifles. A Republican politician and supposed "responsible gun owner" had this to say.

Beto contacted the FBI. Good.

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“I mean, anytime you have somebody threatening to use violence against somebody in this country to resolve a political issue or really for any reason, that’s a matter for law enforcement,” he said. “But it really drives home the point, better than I could have made. Representative Briscoe Cain is making the case that no one should have an AR-15. That they can hold over someone else in this country, say, ‘look, if we disagree on something, let me introduce you to my AR-15.’ Absolutely wrong.”


I think every politician (and every sane person) needs to point out this kind of behavior to show what these gun nuts are really like. Every time the argument is made about an assault rifle ban harming citizens go looking for threatening memes they've posted. Let them try to defend that "it's just a joke" and then ask them why they think legal use and safety of firearms is a funny joke to them. Push them to look in the mirror. It likely won't change them but if you're on a forum with other readers it might start to click.
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Posted 13 September 2019 - 12:17 PM

View PostLFC, on 13 September 2019 - 10:42 AM, said:

Beto contacted the FBI. Good.




I think every politician (and every sane person) needs to point out this kind of behavior to show what these gun nuts are really like. Every time the argument is made about an assault rifle ban harming citizens go looking for threatening memes they've posted. Let them try to defend that "it's just a joke" and then ask them why they think legal use andafety of firearms is a funny joke to them. Push them to look in the mirror. It likely won't change them but if you're on a forum with other readers it might start to click.

Even if one of these people parrot movie tough guy talk while not truly meaning to actually threaten, some one out there hearing it may decide to act in accordance with that talk.

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Posted 13 September 2019 - 04:41 PM

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Posted 13 September 2019 - 05:44 PM

NASCAR drops Weapons ads for AR-15 and cuts off relationship with NRA.

Funny how my gun nut friends haven’t reacted yet. I mean it’s not like Starbucks dropped them. We’re talking real ‘Muricans.
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Posted 13 September 2019 - 06:01 PM

View Postandydp, on 13 September 2019 - 05:44 PM, said:

NASCAR drops Weapons ads for AR-15 and cuts off relationship with NRA.

Funny how my gun nut friends haven’t reacted yet. I mean it’s not like Starbucks dropped them. We’re talking real ‘Muricans.

There won't be complaints unless the NRA whips up people on the issue. So long as the races continue, no one will notice the absence of an ad or two. There are plenty of other ads to see.

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Posted 13 September 2019 - 06:29 PM

View Postandydp, on 13 September 2019 - 05:44 PM, said:

NASCAR drops Weapons ads for AR-15 and cuts off relationship with NRA.

Funny how my gun nut friends haven’t reacted yet. I mean it’s not like Starbucks dropped them. We’re talking real ‘Muricans.

I did a little digging and came up with this. I just want to point out one little piece.

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"They've got the drivers shooting off blanks in the winner's circle. It doesn't make any sense," David Dolbee, the general manager for K-Var Corp., a large distributor of firearms, which submitted an advertisement that was rejected featuring an AK-47 and various accessories.


So guns are clearly toys. For all the serious rhetoric they spout about guns it really comes down to this; they love their toys.
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Posted 13 September 2019 - 07:38 PM

View PostLFC, on 13 September 2019 - 06:29 PM, said:

So guns are clearly (sex) toys. For all the serious rhetoric they spout about guns it really comes down to this; they love their sex toys.

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Posted 13 September 2019 - 09:09 PM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 13 September 2019 - 07:38 PM, said:

So guns are clearly (sex) toys. For all the serious rhetoric they spout about guns it really comes down to this; they love their sex toys.
Nothing hotter for a NRA MAGA nut job to empty his load (of ammo) into the target of his choice....
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Posted 16 September 2019 - 12:58 PM

The more you look at people's opinions on gun issues the more racial bias once again raises its ugly head.

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People are eight times more likely to blame violent video games for a mass shooting if a perpetrator is white than if the shooter is black, according to a new study published today in the Psychology of Popular Media Culture. The researchers analyzed more than 200,000 articles from the past 40 years and found that video games were far more likely to be mentioned in stories about white shooters. A second part of the study tested the biases among a group of 169 students, and found “a small but statistically significant difference between the number of people who strongly agreed that video games were a factor in the case of the white shooter and those who said the same of the black shooter,” according to the MIT Technology Review.



The report’s authors gave participants a fictional story about an 18-year-old male shooter said to be obsessed with video games. Half of the group was given the mug shot of a black man while the other half got a mug shot of a white man to accompany the report. Researchers asked the students whether the perpetrator’s history of playing violent video games played a factor in his committing the crime. The study shows that students were more likely to believe video games were a factor if the mug shot was the white man. Gun researchers say there is no established link between video games and violence.
Read it at MIT Technology Review

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Posted 16 September 2019 - 06:20 PM

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Posted 16 September 2019 - 08:52 PM

Mike Huckabee, "Christian" "minister". What a moral free, indecent, political tool.

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Posted 18 September 2019 - 09:27 AM

LaPierre seems hellbent on retaining power no matter what it does to the NRA. It's his personal fiefdom and has been for decades. The idiots that have been buying his expensive suits and first class flights are finally figuring that out. I have to admit to a bit of schadenfreude over the treatment of one of the people pushing to oust him. How does it feel to be treated like a black male? I wonder how many Colin Kaepernik memes you've posted.

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The National Rifle Association held its first board meetings last week since its high-profile turmoil began this year, during which the group’s leadership apparently succeeded in beating back a group of insurgent members who attended.

Allegations of misconduct and profligate spending by the group’s leadership, and an investigation by the New York Attorney General’s office, loomed large over the meeting in Herndon, Virginia. It inspired a group called Save The Second, made up of a subset of NRA members, to propose changes to the non-profit’s bylaws as part of an effort to reform the scandal plagued gun group. But the board ultimately succeeded in beating the proposal back.

A group of NRA members founded Save The Second — a registered non-profit — in May. Since then, press reports have portrayed it as a relatively viable effort to turn the NRA’s notoriously weak board of directors into a more powerful body. But the group’s experience at last week’s meetings suggest that it has a long way to go.

Rob Pincus, a co-founder of Save the Second, told TPM that he flew to Northern Virginia to attend the meeting, and that he encountered a “hostile” environment upon arrival when security guards tried to have him removed from the event.

Pincus, a former police officer who runs a private shooting program, likened the experience to being arrested.

“Security called me by name, asked me to stand up and talk to them,” Pincus recalled. “The same way a police officer would approach a suspect over a crime is how I was brought over.”


BTW if you want to know what PIncus think "responsible" gun ownership looks like then read this:

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During a session on home defense Saturday, firearm instructor Rob Pincus argued that a child’s bedroom could be the best place to keep a gun in the home, even though many would have “an emotional pushback” to that, according to a ThinkProgress report.

“If you’re worried that your kid is going to try to break into the safe that is in their bedroom with a gun in it, you have bigger problems than home defense,” he said, explaining that a parent’s natural reaction would be to run to their child’s bedroom in case of emergency. “If I’m going to go to the kid anyway, and I have an extra gun and an extra safe, why not put it in their closet?”

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Posted 18 September 2019 - 12:58 PM

Walmart isn't the only one wanting to stop open carry on their premises.

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The announcement came a month after two separate Walmart shootings — in one, a gunman killed 22 and injured at least 27 others in El Paso, Texas, and in another, a disgruntled employee killed two coworkers and wounded an officer in Mississippi. In recent days, other retailers have followed Walmart’s lead, with Kroger, CVS, Walgreens, Wegmans, Aldi, and Meijer all issuing statements asking customers, other than authorized law enforcement personnel, to refrain from openly carrying firearms into their stores.

The shift has been spurred in part by gun safety groups such as Moms Demand Action, which started the hashtag #GroceriesNotGuns back in 2014 to urge Kroger — with 3,035 stores, the country’s third-largest retailer — to take a stand against open carry. At the time, similar campaigns directed toward chains like Target, Starbucks, and Chipotle had been successful, but Kroger held firm, stating that its policy was “to follow state and local laws and to ask customers to be respectful of others while shopping,” in part because, “we don’t want to put our associates in a position of having to confront a customer who is legally carrying a gun.”

Its new policy isn’t a total about-face: Like most of its peers, it is asking rather than demanding that customers don’t open carry. (Chipotle, Starbucks, and Target all issued “respectful requests” as well.) But according to Shannon Watts, founder of Moms Demand Action, that’s generally enough to persuade most rule-abiding gun owners. “What we have seen over and over again is when companies send this strong signal, the open carry inside their stores stops,” she says.

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 09:18 AM

The GOP continues to prove they are the POT. They're such sycophants that they won't even read anything he hasn't pre-approved.

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A Trump administration background check proposal is circulating on Capitol Hill — but Republicans won’t even review it until President Donald Trump has given it his stamp of approval.

According to Politico, the document emerged as Attorney General William Barr and White House legislative affairs director Eric Ueland started meeting with Republican senators, though no one is willing to take ownership of the proposal until Trump makes a move. White House spokesman Hogan Gidley said emphatically that it is “not a White House document.”

“You don’t need to worry about what’s floating around,” Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) told Politico. “We aren’t going to do anything that the President isn’t going to sign anyway.”

Trump’s approval will be harder to come by after the NRA’s reaction: Jason Ouimet, executive director of the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action, called it a “non-starter.” The proposal would expand background checks to all commercial sale of guns.


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Posted 19 September 2019 - 11:03 AM



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Posted 19 September 2019 - 06:49 PM

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What a punch in the gut.

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 02:30 PM

More evidence that the NRA was effectively bribed into becoming a Russian asset. NRA member? Trump supporter? Then you're not a patriot. Note the phrase I bolded in terms of how the investigation took place. More f***ing traitors.

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Ties between the National Rifle Association and influential Russians were substantial and potentially lucrative enough to render the politically potent gun lobby an “asset” of Russia, according to a Senate Democrat’s year-plus investigation.

More than 4,000 pages of NRA records provided to Sen. Ron Wyden, the top Democrat on the finance committee, documented deep connections between the beleaguered gun group and Maria Butina, who in December pleaded guilty to conspiring to act as a Russian agent without registering with the Justice Department. Wyden’s report, released Friday and undertaken without the cooperation of committee Republicans, indicates that greed motivated some NRA officials to engage in the outreach.

Butina also made clear to NRA officials long before their controversial Butina-facilitated December 2015 trip to Moscow that Alexander Torshin, her patron and an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, was a man with mysterious pull in the Kremlin. She emailed former NRA president David Keene in January 2015 that Torshin’s appointment to the Russian central bank was “the result of a ‘big game’ in which he has a very important role. All the details we can discuss with you only in person.”

“During the 2016 election, Russian nationals effectively used the promise of lucrative personal business opportunities to capture the NRA and gain access to the American political system,” Wyden said.

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 03:03 PM

Studies seen to show that stand your ground laws increase homicides and do nothing to reduce violent crime. What a shock.

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The research increasingly suggests that “stand your ground” laws — which expand the reach of self-defense laws to remove a “duty to retreat” in public spaces — cause more homicides and do not reduce violent crime.

Last year, the nonpartisan RAND Corporation released a massive report that found, in part, that “stand your ground” laws are linked to more violent crime, particularly homicides. This month, RAND researchers Andrew Morral and Rosanna Smart published a brief follow-up with some of the new evidence — and “stand your ground” laws now look even worse:

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Since publication of RAND’s report, at least four additional studies meeting RAND’s standards of rigor have reinforced the finding that “stand your ground” laws increase homicides. None of them found that “stand your ground” laws prevent violent crime. No rigorous study has yet determined whether “stand your ground” laws promote legitimate acts of self-defense.

“Stand your ground” laws effectively expand the scope of what qualifies, legally, as self-defense. Under standard self-defense laws, someone who’s facing a dangerous threat must retreat if it’s safe to do so, with use of force only legally available as a last resort — what’s called the “duty to retreat.” So through this standard, you can only use deadly force if you cannot safely avoid harm or death by, for example, running away or hiding.

But if a “stand your ground” law is in place, someone can, well, stand his ground, and use up to lethal force even if he can safely retreat while under imminent threat. There are also “castle doctrine” laws, which remove the duty to retreat in a legally occupied setting, such as your home, office, or car (your “castle”). “Stand your ground” is an expansion of “castle doctrine”: While the latter only removes the duty to retreat in your property, the former removes the duty to retreat everywhere — whether you’re in a grocery store, in a park, or on a street.

The laws have become particularly controversial in Florida, where “stand your ground” first passed and subsequently came up after the shootings of Markeis McGlockton and Trayvon Martin.

The NRA has heavily pushed for the laws as part of its broader agenda to loosen access to guns — by making it so people are more able to use their guns without legal repercussions. Its campaign has been very successful: So far, 30 states have enacted “stand your ground” laws.

The RAND report suggests the law has made these states less safe. And it’s not alone in its findings.

A 2016 review of the research, published in Epidemiologic Reviews, found that most big studies looking at “stand your ground” and “castle doctrine” laws found that they actually correlated with increases in homicides. The one study that found “castle doctrine” was associated with reductions in homicides came from a widely discredited researcher. The others found increases in homicides associated with both kinds of laws.

Researchers summarized one of the more recent studies they reviewed: “stand your ground laws were associated with a 6.8% increase in homicide rates, mainly driven by increments (14.7%) in homicide rates among white males.”

Meanwhile, the RAND report found evidence that some restrictions on gun ownership — particularly background checks and child access prevention laws — reduce bad outcomes, including violent crime, suicides, and childhood injuries and deaths.


It's "almost" as if reduction of gun ownership and usage can be associated with less gun violence. Huh. Who woulda' thunk it? Certainly not anybody still in the NRA.
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Posted 27 September 2019 - 05:04 PM

Now that Trump is tied up in the impeachment scandal for the foreseeable future LaPierre and the NRA and holding his feet to the fire.

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The squeeze is on.

With President Donald Trump facing impeachment, the NRA is reportedly looking to leverage the political moment to lock in his opposition to new gun control measures.

Trump and NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre met Friday to discuss the the NRA providing financial support for Trump’s impeachment defense, the New York Times reported Friday.

The support comes at a price.

“Mr. LaPierre asked that the White House ‘stop the games’ over gun control legislation, people familiar with the meeting said,” the Times said.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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