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Posted 12 May 2019 - 09:34 AM

View Postbaw1064, on 11 May 2019 - 04:44 PM, said:

Question to you all: I'm wondering if a new thread is needed about the NRA, as opposed to guns in general? A lot of stuff that's happening isn't really related to gun policy, but rather to good ole' fashioned grifting.

So the NRA's grifting culture became even too much for Ollie North, who sent some concerned memos around, got promptly canned, and now has apparently leaked them. Apparently it's not cool for a non-profit's legal counsel to buy clothes for the CEO and charge it back as a legal expense...who knew?!

https://www.thedaily...n-legal-bills-3

I place that kind of stuff here because it is impossible to separate the issues of gun control from the NRA in the U.S. They are the largest, most influential lobbying group for near unfettered access to guns and while some other groups are more extreme it is unlikely anybody has ever heard of them. The fiscal health and internal politics of the NRA is, unfortunately, extremely closely tied to politics in general. (Now if you excuse me I have to get rid of that bit of spit-up in my mouth.)
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Posted 14 May 2019 - 01:54 PM

Leaked documents show more and more corruption at the NRA.

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Fresh allegations of systemic financial mismanagement at the top of the National Rifle Association erupted into the open this weekend.

Documents leaked online anonymously on May 10 and subsequently verified by the Daily Beast and Wall Street Journal purport to expose the extent of the NRA’s financial entanglements. Top executives including CEO Wayne LaPierre allegedly engaged in lavish spending on the account of a top NRA vendor, and the gun group is spending millions of dollars to cover legal costs associated with the various lawsuits and investigations currently entangling the gun rights group.

The documents — which include itemized receipts and letters from NRA ad vendor Ackerman McQueen — allege that $24 million went to the NRA’s outside general counsel, William Brewer, in only 13 months.

Recently deposed NRA President Oliver North and NRA official Richard Childress cautioned in a letter to NRA leadership last month that the group can’t afford to burn through some $100,000 a day on these legal fees, which “pose an existential threat to the financial stability of the NRA.”

The allegations laid out in the documents deepen the threat the NRA is facing from a wide-ranging probe by New York Attorney General Letitia James. James is reportedly investigating whether the NRA violated state charity law via self-dealing, unauthorized political activity, and submitting inaccurate regulatory filings.

Marcus Owens, a former chief of the IRS’s non-profit unit, told TPM that some of the accusations North makes could intensify James’ investigation.

“New York State law in essence requires that charitable funds be used for charitable purposes,” Owens said. “So excessive compensations, payments that don’t relate to the achievement of the charitable purpose — all of those are in violation of state law.”

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 07:41 PM

A little bit of back story here: just as Delaware is the preferred domicile for corporations (partly due to a favorable legal environment, but also due to a large body of case law giving good legal precedent for almost every situation imaginable), New York tends to be the favored domicile for non-profits.
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Posted 15 May 2019 - 11:44 AM

I have this to say about the NRA's Wayne LaPierre; LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!

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The company behind NRATV was paying for National Rifle Association chief Wayne LaPierre’s expensive Italian suits and foreign travel, before charging at least some of those costs back to the NRA itself.

Sound like a puzzling arrangement? You’re not alone.

New York state non-profit attorneys told TPM that the setup raised serious questions about whether LaPierre was using an NRA vendor to conceal costs for his luxury purchases from the organization’s books, and could be fodder for an ongoing investigation into the non-profit by New York Attorney General Letitia James.

These allegations come from documents that were leaked anonymously online on May 10 and subsequently verified by the Wall Street Journal and Daily Beast amid a very public falling out between the NRA and its longtime advertising firm, Ackerman McQueen, which produced NRATV.

Specifically, the documents raise questions over whether the NRA’s board was aware of the luxury expenses and approved them as required under New York state statutes governing non-profits.

“This is a goldmine for the attorney general. This is like having the investigation handed to you on a silver platter,” Sean Delany, a former chief of the New York Attorney General’s charities bureau, told TPM, referring to the documents.

You read that word right; "goldmine." And after all the state charges I suspect there will be an IRS audit to determine how much of Wayno's "compensation" was never declared. That could take a while. If they finally press charges after the end of 2020 then he may find himself sharing quarters with a lot of criminals ... and without a gun.
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Posted 15 May 2019 - 11:58 AM

View PostLFC, on 15 May 2019 - 11:44 AM, said:

You read that word right; "goldmine." And after all the state charges I suspect there will be an IRS audit to determine how much of Wayno's "compensation" was never declared. That could take a while. If they finally press charges after the end of 2020 then he may find himself sharing quarters with a lot of criminals ... and without a gun.

I'm not sure why there are "serious questions" here. Seems to me more like an open and shut case.
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Posted 15 May 2019 - 05:28 PM

View Postbaw1064, on 15 May 2019 - 11:58 AM, said:

I'm not sure why there are "serious questions" here. Seems to me more like an open and shut case.
What better candidate for a presidential pardon! Except of course for any Dumpster children that get convicted of a federal crime.
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Posted 15 May 2019 - 05:45 PM

View Postpnwguy, on 15 May 2019 - 05:28 PM, said:

What better candidate for a presidential pardon! Except of course for any Dumpster children that get convicted of a federal crime.

Ah but remember, it's a New York State investigation. Trump will have to ask Cuomo to pardon him. :D
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Posted 15 May 2019 - 06:17 PM

View Postbaw1064, on 15 May 2019 - 05:45 PM, said:

Ah but remember, it's a New York State investigation. Trump will have to ask Cuomo to pardon him. :D
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Posted 18 May 2019 - 09:25 AM

View Postpnwguy, on 15 May 2019 - 05:28 PM, said:

What better candidate for a presidential pardon! Except of course for any Dumpster children that get convicted of a federal crime.

Or an unnamed ex-President. Yet to be determined: can the President pardon a corporation?
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Posted 18 May 2019 - 10:26 AM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 18 May 2019 - 09:25 AM, said:

Or an unnamed ex-President. Yet to be determined: can the President pardon a corporation?
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Posted 18 May 2019 - 08:58 PM

View PostLFC, on 15 May 2019 - 11:44 AM, said:

I have this to say about the NRA's Wayne LaPierre; LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!



You read that word right; "goldmine." And after all the state charges I suspect there will be an IRS audit to determine how much of Wayno's "compensation" was never declared. That could take a while. If they finally press charges after the end of 2020 then he may find himself sharing quarters with a lot of criminals ... and without a gun.


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Posted 18 May 2019 - 10:37 PM

A well-funded gun lobby being necessary for the defense of white supremacists, the right of the NRA to conduct and profit from graft shall not be infringed.
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Posted 19 May 2019 - 12:32 AM

View Postbaw1064, on 18 May 2019 - 10:37 PM, said:

A well-funded gun lobby being necessary for the defense of white supremacists, the right of the NRA to conduct and profit from graft shall not be infringed.

That's almost as good as the famous twisting of Jane Austen: "It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a young man with a wife is in need of a fortune" and "A drug dealer is a man who pokes his business into other people's noses".

Oh, and what the client said to the call girl: "It's a business doing pleasure with you".

Any more, folks? But in the humour threads, natch.
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Posted 23 May 2019 - 03:06 PM

The entire NRA case fittingly continues to be a complete shitshow. The ad agency they used is, shall we say, standing it's ground.

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The National Rifle Association believes itself to be the victim of a “bitter, insidious irony,” the firearms lobby said in a new lawsuit filed Wednesday against its longtime vendor Ackerman McQueen.

The advertising firm — referred to as AMc in the suit — has allegedly been leaking documents to the press that the NRA sued last month to get ahold of in what the firearms lobby calls “a series of sordid, out-of-context ‘leaks’ engineered by AMc to harm its client.”

The NRA sued AMc in April to access documents, ostensibly to audit the pair’s relationship and to investigate allegations that the Oklahoma City-based firm was over-billing the NRA.

Now, the NRA is seeking $40 million in damages from AMc, accusing it of using the leaks to foment a coup that would have toppled longtime NRA chief Wayne LaPierre in favor of Iran-Contra notable and then-NRA president Oliver North.

“The bitter, insidious irony is that the records leaked by AMc contain some of the same information the NRA had persistently requested from AMc over the course of many months, in an effort to strengthen its own internal controls,” the gun group argues in a complaint, filed in the State of Virginia’s Alexandria circuit court.

AMc has worked with the NRA since the early 1980s, putting together some of its most famous advertising campaigns, including Charlton Heston’s unforgettable post-Columbine “from my hold dead hands” crowd-killer. More recently, it has handled the contract for NRATV, the gun group’s hard-right online TV channel. The NRA has said in court filings that it pays AMc up to $40 million annually — the same amount sought in this week’s lawsuit.

AMc replied with its own counterclaim Thursday morning in an apparent bid to outshoot the NRA — demanding $50 million from the gun group while accusing it of filing lawsuits as a way of ginning up cause to cancel the pair’s contract without paying a hefty severance fee.

The ad firm also says that the NRA did not have board approval to file the first lawsuit in April, deepening the mystery of why the two entities have been willing to duke it out in public in such a mutually damaging way.

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Posted 23 May 2019 - 03:50 PM

Gun advocacy and racism really do seem to go together like peas and carrots.

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Pro-gun rights Parkland shooting survivor Kyle Kashuv apologized Thursday night for making “offensive” comments in high school, an apparent reference to newly uncovered screenshots that purport to show the star activist repeatedly using anti-black racial slurs years ago.

"We were 16-year-olds making idiotic comments, using callous and inflammatory language in an effort to be as extreme and shocking as possible,” Kashuv said in a statement he posted to Twitter.

Kashuv’s statement doesn’t say exactly what he’s apologizing for, but it appears to refer to years-old writing in a Google Doc and over text messages. The racial slur-filled messages, allegedly from Kashuv, have circulated among right-wing activists and Parkland students on Twitter over the past week.

One screenshot claims to show Kashuv writing the n-word more than a dozen times in a shared study guide on Google Docs.

"like im really good at typing n---er ok like practice uhhhhhh makes perfect son??!!" Kashuv allegedly wrote in a portion of the document.

In another part of the Google Doc, Kashuv allegedly wrote the same slur repeatedly, in capital letters. Kashuv also allegedly referred to black student athletes as “n---erjocks” in one text message.

Kashuv rose to fame on the right last year as the most outspoken pro-gun rights survivor of the February 2018 school shooting at Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida. While other survivors like David Hogg and Emma Gonzalez became leading supporters of gun control, Kashuv’s support for gun rights made him a darling among conservatives.

After the shooting, Kashuv met with President Trump and Melania Trump in the White House, and made frequent appearances on Fox News.

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Posted 23 May 2019 - 05:40 PM

But peas and carrots are good for you.

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Posted 29 May 2019 - 01:14 PM

In Texass the NRA appears to have lost out on its bid to block $1M gun safe storage program.

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The Republican-controlled Texas legislature on Sunday approved a budget bill that would allocate $1 million dollars to a gun storage public service campaign, a gun safety measure staunchly opposed by the National Rifle Association.

Though the proposal seemed unlikely to pass several weeks ago, the Associated Press reported Monday that lawmakers quietly slipped it into the spending bill during a session on Sunday night.

Gun safety proponents say that the campaign’s not just about preventing mass shootings, though the proposal did emerge after a teenager allegedly used his father’s guns to kill 10 people at Santa Fe High School in 2018. Advocates say it’s also meant to teach parents how to keep their firearms out of the hands of curious children who accidentally shoot themselves or others.

Now it’s up to Gov. Greg Abbott ( R ) whether to sign the measure. Abbott’s office did not respond to TPM’s request for comment.


How could the NRA possibly be against safe gun storage? Because they don't control the message. It doesn't matter that the majority of guns aren't coming out of gun stores (only brand new ones) and in areas with wide open spaces, like Texass, not everybody goes to a gun range. It appears that they're afraid of casual owners of learning about the danger to themselves and their loved ones. It might cause some to sell or destroy their guns instead and we can't have that.

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Bills filed by Democrats to have the Texas state police agency create a safe storage campaign never made it to votes in the House or Senate. The NRA lobbied against them, arguing that gun rights groups and gun manufacturers have similar campaigns that are widely distributed to gun stores and shooting ranges. In one public hearing, an NRA lobbyist warned lawmakers that a campaign designed by the Texas state police could easily be corrupted by anti-gun rhetoric.

Gov. Abbott might still end up being a gunsucker.

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Abbott has line-item veto power in the budget, meaning he could strip out the safe storage campaign without scuttling the entire spending bill.

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 02:51 PM

The Virginia Beach shooter used suppressors to change the sound made by his guns. This may have allowed him to kill more people.

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The shooting in Virginia Beach, in which a disgruntled city employee killed 12 people at a municipal building, is the deadliest mass shooting so far in 2019.

But it is also “ominous” for one other unusual reason, wrote Harvard professor and former Homeland Security official Juliette Kayyem in the Washington Post: the shooter used a suppressor, or as it’s known in common language, a silencer.
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“What ends lives? Gunfire. What saves lives? The sound of gunfire,” wrote Kayyem.

“Gun violence in America is unique not simply because of our culture but also because we have lawful weaponry that can kill many people very quickly. In terms of death-to-time ratio, single-shot weapons are preferable to multi-round handguns and handguns are preferable to the semiautomatic, and the favorite of mass shooters, the AR-15. It’s a simple calculation of time,” wrote Kayyem. “But the Virginia Beach killer seemed to want the anonymity of silence, a tool of the coward, not one seeking fame or a blaze of glory. None of the videos or manifestos we’ve seen from New Zealand to Las Vegas appear to be part of the Virginia Beach story. The killer wanted silence.”

Suppressors are currently legal in 42 states, although they are regulated under the National Firearms Act and are thus heavily taxed and expensive to obtain. Gun rights activists have made a considerable push to deregulate them, insisting that they are a safety mechanism that protects the hearing of shooters, that they do not actually ‘silence’ a gun, and that it would be impractical to use one in a mass shooting.

“It is true that suppressors do not quiet guns; industry experts often cringe at the popular reference to ‘silencers,'” wrote Kayyem. “Instead, suppressors act like a car muffler — both devices were pioneered by the same inventor, Hiram Percy Maxim — by cooling and dissipating the gases that emanate from the chamber as the trigger is being pulled. That alters the sound enough that the gunshot’s normal sound — a suppressed gunshot can sound like a chair scraping on the floor — is difficult to identify.”

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Posted 04 June 2019 - 08:11 AM

Silencers/suppressors don't silence guns. Real life isn't Hollywood.

A "silenced" rifle is still putting out 130+ decibels. That's above the pain threshold for sound. It's around the same sound level as a jackhammer or a jet liner.

A suppressed .22 caliber handgun is still around an ambulance siren.

There is no mis-identifying a gun being fired, even with a suppressor attached. They move the sound from 'permanent damage from hearing a single event' to 'still extremely loud'.

If one wishes to point to one thing they do that assists shooters; they reduce muzzle rise due to the extra pound of weight at the end of the barrel.
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Posted 04 June 2019 - 08:45 AM

Shifting the frequency distribution makes a big difference -- reducing the higher frequencies makes the sound less immediately recognizable to most people.
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