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#1641 LFC

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Posted 19 February 2020 - 12:50 PM

Virginia's Gov. Northam is having trouble getting gun control legislation through. I think the assault weapons ban was always going to be tough.

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Four Democrats on the Virginia Senate Judiciary Committee joined with Republicans Monday to kill an assault weapons sale ban that had already passed in the House of Delegates and was championed by Gov. Ralph Northam (D).

“While the Governor is disappointed in yesterday’s vote, he fully expects the Crime Commission to give this measure the detailed review that Senators called for,” Northam press secretary Alena Yarmosky told TPM. “We will be back next year.”

The bill would have prohibited the sale and transport of assault firearms, certain firearm magazines, silencers and trigger activators. Six months after implementation, it also would have outlawed possession of the magazines. Instead, the Senate Judiciary Committee sent the bill to the Crime Commission for further study.

Democratic Sens. R. Creigh Deeds, John Edwards, Chap Petersen and Scott Surovell voted the bill down alongside their Republican peers.

In a statement obtained by TPM, Petersen said he had concerns that the legislation was “overbroad” and feared that it would “criminalize law-abiding citizens” for owning guns and paraphernalia they’d already purchased.

Scovell said in a Facebook post that he “fully supports” the idea behind the legislation, but wants to “continue the conversation” with the Crime Commission.


OTOH the other two that were voted down just piss me off. This is a classic case of gun owners demanding their rights while simultaneously that they don't get held accountable for the way they exercise those rights. Typical. I don't see personal responsibility being a hallmark of right-wing gun owners.

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While the House has passed all of Northam’s choice bills, the Senate has quashed three of them: mandatory reporting of a lost or stolen firearm within 24 hours, making it a felony to leave a firearm within reach of a child 18 years or younger and, now, the assault weapons ban.

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Posted 26 February 2020 - 07:19 PM

From WaPo, dateline Milwaukee:

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BREAKING: Five dead in shooting at Molson Coors campus in Milwaukee, Trump says

Multiple people were killed in a shooting Wednesday afternoon at the sprawling Milwaukee campus of Molson Coors, one of the world’s largest brewers of beer, officials said.

Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett said the fatalities — he did not specify the number — included the shooter.

All snark about big breweries aside, here we go again...
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Posted 09 March 2020 - 08:31 AM

Classic Republican snapperhead. Here he is sticking up for his "rights" and illustrating, on video, why he can't be trusted with a firearm.

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Colorado Congressman Ken Buck posted a video to Twitter Friday challenging former US Representative Beto O’Rourke and former vice president Joe Biden to come to his office and take his AR-15.

It is obvious that the underlying message is a threat to the men that if they did try to take his gun, he would shoot them.

“I have a message for Joe Biden and Beto O’Rourke, if you want to take everyone’s AR-15s in America, why don’t you swing by my office in Washington, D.C. and start with this one,” Mr Buck said. “Come and take it.”


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Mr Buck’s AR-15 - which is decorated in an American flag gun wrap - does have a trigger lock, though it appears to simply be hanging on a pair of nails jutting from the congressman’s wall. The NRA recommends that gun owners ensure their weapons are not stored in the open where individuals other than the owner could access them. Mr Buck’s improper storage wasn’t the only gun safety basic that he violated.

One of Mr Buck’s fellow Congressmen, Representative Ruben Gallego of Arizona, pointed out that the senator broke a basic rule of proper gun handling; he pointed it at someone he didn’t intend to shoot.

“You literally flagged the cameraman. First rule of weapons handling, treat every weapon as if it were loaded,” he wrote. “Second rule, never point the weapon at anything you don’t intend to shoot.”

Mr Gallego served as a Marine in Iraq.

Mr Buck told the Washington Post in a 2015 interview that his weapon is legal and he always keeps the rifle unloaded and had the bolt carrier assembly removed prior to placing it in his office.

That information would suggest that Mr Biden and Mr O’Rourke could, in fact, take his AR-15, as it is apparently unloaded and incapable of being fired. Perhaps Mr Buck intended to use it as a bludgeon.


Unloaded? Apparently disabled? Doesn't matter. The safety rules are clear. NEVER point a firearm at ANYBODY unless you are ready to shoot them. Of course he's not the first Republican politician to illustrate the lack of basic safety knowledge in a political video.
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Posted 19 March 2020 - 06:48 PM

If you thought stocking up on toilet paper was moronic well hold their beers.

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This was posted by a Republican wingnut who is a friend of a friend. He also posted an article from a law office whining about the PA Governor's order for non-essential businesses to shut down and people's very real fear that the libs will use this opportunity to (let's say it all together) ... "TAKE OUR GUUUUUNNNNSSSS!!!" The stupid. It burns.
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Posted 19 March 2020 - 07:18 PM

While they are at home because they work for a nonessential business some government agency is going to come take their guns?

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Posted 20 March 2020 - 03:34 AM

 LFC, on 19 March 2020 - 06:48 PM, said:

If you thought stocking up on toilet paper was moronic well hold their beers.

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This was posted by a Republican wingnut who is a friend of a friend. He also posted an article from a law office whining about the PA Governor's order for non-essential businesses to shut down and people's very real fear that the libs will use this opportunity to (let's say it all together) ... "TAKE OUR GUUUUUNNNNSSSS!!!" The stupid. It burns.

Oh, give the poor malignant cretin a break! It was probably predictive text going mad. Happens to the best of us.
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Posted 25 March 2020 - 05:16 PM

I can't even.

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The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department said on Wednesday that it will “suspend” efforts to close gun shops even after designating them as “nonessential businesses” that need to be shut down amid California’s statewide lockdown, the Los Angeles Times reported. Sheriff Alex Villanueva announced on Twitter that the “efforts to close nonessential businesses have been suspended,” adding, “CA Gov. Gavin Newsom to determine what qualifies as a non-essential business.” Villanueva also linked to a Fox 11 News clip in which reporter Bill Melugin quotes him as saying: “the county’s top lawyer put out a legal opinion that she believes gun stores are essential businesses and should remain open.”

On Tuesday, the sheriff said, “We are trying to get them to close their doors,” referencing gun shops. “If they don’t close their doors, they will be cited,” he added. Meanwhile, the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a firearms industry association, has been urging federal and state officials to keep gun stores open despite orders to close nonessential businesses. Gun shops have experienced a huge increase in sales amid the coronavirus pandemic, fueled by fear and uncertainty as the U.S. economy is on the brink of recession.

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Posted 26 March 2020 - 08:57 AM

Gun shops can't be closed in PA either. Gun people (note I did not say gun owners which is a much larger group) really are nuts.

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Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf (D), like many governors nationwide, issued an executive order last week to shutter non-essential businesses across the state to slow the spread of coronavirus.

But by Tuesday, he had quietly amended that order to exempt firearms retailers from the blanket closure.

His reversal came after three state Supreme Court justices, writing for the minority, argued that his decision would completely shut down all gun sales, since law dictates that the transactions must be made in person. That, they argued, would block Pennsylvanians from their constitutional rights.

“Quite simply, if firearm dealers are not able to conduct any business in-person at their licensed premises, then no transfers of firearms can be completed,” wrote Justice David Wecht for the group, pointing out that law requires in-person gun transactions. “This amounts to an absolute and indefinite prohibition upon the acquisition of firearms by the citizens of this Commonwealth — a result in clear tension with the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and Article I, Section 21 of the Pennsylvania Constitution.”

Citing the allowance for restaurants to continue takeout services while their dine-in operations are shut down, Wecht encouraged Wolf to create an allowance for the part of gun purchasing that must be conducted in person to avoid “an impermissible intrusion upon a fundamental constitutional right.”

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Posted 26 March 2020 - 09:10 AM

How does that reasoning not invalidate every quarantine order ever?

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Posted 26 March 2020 - 09:30 AM

 MSheridan, on 26 March 2020 - 09:10 AM, said:

How does that reasoning not invalidate every quarantine order ever?

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Posted 02 April 2020 - 11:08 AM

These are the same people who are trying to convince us that they are sane, level-headed, responsible gun owners yet at every turn they prove themselves to be a bunch of emotional, panicky, angry, threatening cranks.

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Around two million guns were bought in the U.S. last month, according to national data compiled by The New York Times. The surge in gun sales as coronavirus spreads across the country is second highest on record, after January 2013, the month when President Obama began his second term in office and the Sandy Hook School shooting raised calls for increased gun legislation. “People are nervous that there’s a certain amount of civil disorder that might come if huge numbers of people are sick and a huge number of institutions are not operating normally,” said Timothy Lytton, a law professor at Georgia State University.

An enormous number of guns are owned by a minority of gun owners. Basically the ones who prepared for the last perceived self-defense crisis (and the crisis before that and the one before that and...) are buying more guns that they would never possibly be able to use during a crisis. Guns really are their soft, snuggly blankies when they're frightened of the boogey man.
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Posted 02 April 2020 - 07:26 PM

I bet it's a bunch of folks that didn't have guns to begin with. Be interesting to see the info on that.
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