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Posted 04 January 2016 - 09:23 PM

I was curious when reading this thread a couple weeks ago, so I looked up what Kansas's and California's bond ratings are. Kansas's used to be way way higher, but now they are only one grade apart (California's have gone up three grades, while Kansas's have dropped two.
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Posted 04 January 2016 - 09:28 PM

View Postandydp, on 04 January 2016 - 08:04 PM, said:

What the heck is he smoking ?

It doesn't mater what he believes, it's what he can convince the voters to believe for another ten months.
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Posted 06 January 2016 - 11:32 AM

Good*** news from Brownbakistan:

***I suppose if you want to put a spin on it, you could say there's less people to suck up state assets...

Moving on out: Kansas loses people, tax revenue

Jan 5, 2016, 8:27am CST

http://www.bizjourna...ax-revenue.html

Later in the article is says NJ was the most moved out state. I think its corporate people being transferred and not a mass exodus for greener pastures.
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Posted 14 May 2016 - 07:44 PM

Bipartisan blame of Brownback (and his co-conspirators in the legislature) by former governors:

http://www.kansas.co...le77679197.html

The ratings agencies aren't big fans either:

https://www.moodys.c...2--PR_903274640

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The revision of the state's outlook to negative from stable reflects the ongoing difficulties it is having restoring structural balance to its budget and getting on a path to sounder funding of its pension liabilities. By continuing to balance its budget with unsustainable, nonrecurring resources, including pension underfunding, it is accumulating large and expensive long-term liabilities that it will be paying off for a long time.

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Posted 15 May 2016 - 05:44 AM

Funny, isn't it, what happens when a State with "fiscal conservatives" in charge (California [1]) replaces them with "tax and spend liberals" and vice versa (Kansas.)

[1] Given the various supermajorities written into the CA Constitution, it doesn't take a majority in the legislature to give them the whip hand. Having one in the Governor's Mansion doesn't hurt either.
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Posted 16 May 2016 - 09:16 AM

View Postbaw1064, on 14 May 2016 - 07:44 PM, said:

Bipartisan blame of Brownback (and his co-conspirators in the legislature) by former governors:

http://www.kansas.co...le77679197.html

The ratings agencies aren't big fans either:

https://www.moodys.c...2--PR_903274640

There's an easy fix, though. Too bad for Kansas that Brownback can't bear the thought of using the "T"-word in a positive context. Of course, the majority did vote for this idiotlogue ideologue.
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Posted 16 May 2016 - 11:19 AM

View PostLFC, on 16 May 2016 - 09:16 AM, said:

There's an easy fix, though. Too bad for Kansas that Brownback can't bear the thought of using the "T"-word in a positive context. Of course, the majority did vote for this idiotlogue ideologue.

I did post a link on this board where a statistician had uncovered evidence that the election was probably rigged. Remember that most of high ranking Republicans in Kansas had worked to unseat him.
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Posted 16 May 2016 - 12:04 PM

I distinctly remember discussing that. Did anything ever come of it? Same thing for the TN governor, vs. the Senate IIRC.
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Posted 16 May 2016 - 12:08 PM

KY, not TN.
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Posted 16 May 2016 - 12:10 PM

Thx.
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Posted 16 May 2016 - 12:11 PM

http://www.alternet....tier-matt-bevin
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Posted 16 June 2016 - 07:49 AM

More on our favorite POGer governor.

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On May 11, the nonpartisan Kansas Center for Economic Growth posted an analysis that concluded "Neighboring states have had more income tax revenue to make the public investment that improves quality of life. They've been able to support schools, safe communities, health care, roads and other essentials. Kansas, meanwhile, is seeing income tax revenue 11.6 percent below before the tax cuts were enacted. ... Whether looking at private-sector job growth or all job growth, Kansas is getting beat."

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Posted 16 June 2016 - 08:06 PM

View PostTraveler, on 16 June 2016 - 07:49 AM, said:

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On May 11, the nonpartisan Kansas Center for Economic Growth posted an analysis that concluded "Neighboring states have had more income tax revenue to make the public investment that improves quality of life. They've been able to support schools, safe communities, health care, roads and other essentials. Kansas, meanwhile, is seeing income tax revenue 11.6 percent below before the tax cuts were enacted. ... Whether looking at private-sector job growth or all job growth, Kansas is getting beat."

Well, to be fair, the neighboring states to which KS is being compared include the Marxist workers' utopias of Oklahoma, Nebraska, and Arkansas.
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Posted 19 August 2016 - 03:20 PM

And the tax cuts keep on working as expected in Kansas. I'm sure there are a whole pile of state residents who feel the same way expressed in that first sentence. And Brownback's staggering inability to grapple with reality is clearly illustrated in the second sentence.

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There are probably days when Tea Party Gov. Sam Brownback wishes he hadn’t been elected to a second term.

Even though many of Brownback’s Tea Party allies bit the dust in Republican primaries earlier this month, Brownback once again insisted that his supply-side tax cuts were working just as he planned and that prosperity was just around the corner.

The Kansas City Star’s Yael Abouhalkah notes, however, that last month’s Kansas jobs report paints an absolutely brutal picture of the state’s economy right now, and that’s without even considering that Kansas’s state government is perpetually falling short on needed revenue for public services.

In total, Kansas lost 5,600 jobs last month and, over the past calendar year, has posted a net loss of 4,500 jobs. The state’s economic growth rate for the past year stands at a sickly -0.3%, which Abouhalkah notes places it fifth worst in the nation.

Most damning of all, he also notes that “Kansas had employment of 1,395,700 in July 2016 — or a stunning 600 fewer jobs than when Brownback’s second term started way back in January 2015.”

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 03:34 PM

View PostLFC, on 19 August 2016 - 03:20 PM, said:

And the tax cuts keep on working as expected in Kansas. I'm sure there are a whole pile of state residents who feel the same way expressed in that first sentence. And Brownback's staggering inability to grapple with reality is clearly illustrated in the second sentence.

No real evidence it isn't working as he intended. The rich guys have their tax cuts, the poor are further immiserated, those who have a job are desperate to keep it. GOP heaven!

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 03:50 PM

View PostProgressive whisperer, on 19 August 2016 - 03:34 PM, said:

No real evidence it isn't working as he intended. The rich guys have their tax cuts, the poor are further immiserated, those who have a job are desperate to keep it. GOP heaven!

Perhaps you know this guy who is quote in my signature?

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" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 03:58 PM

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Perhaps you know this guy who is quote in my signature?

Why yes. I can vouch for his sterling character, towering intellect and devilish handsomeness in fact. Why do you ask?

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Posted 02 September 2016 - 11:47 AM

Kansas misses August revenue estimates by about $10 million

is the title of the piece in The Wichita Eagle, but if you read the following excerpt you might have a different suggestion.

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Kansas has struggled to balance its budget since GOP legislators heeded Brownback’s call to slash personal income taxes in 2012 and 2013 as an economic stimulus. On Thursday, an economist with the Washington-based Tax Foundation told Mississippi lawmakers evaluating planned tax cuts that Kansas is “an example of what not to do in tax reform.”

But individual income tax revenue surpassed estimates by $14.8 million, or 9 percent, for the month.

“Individual income taxes beat estimates for the second month of the fiscal year, which is encouraging, but corporate, sale and use tax receipts continue to lag pulling down the overall totals,” Secretary of Revenue Nick Jordan said in a statement.

The state had expected to bring in $10 million in corporate income tax revenue for the month, but took in less than $304,000, a miss of nearly 97 percent.


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Posted 02 September 2016 - 12:01 PM

View PostMSheridan, on 02 September 2016 - 11:47 AM, said:

Kansas misses August revenue estimates by about $10 million

is the title of the piece in The Wichita Eagle, but I if you read the following excerpt you might have a different suggestion.

Well, see, it's the 300k in corporate taxes that has the job creators going Galt. Get rid of that and watch a 1000 industries bloom, am I right?!
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Posted 08 September 2016 - 12:02 PM

In the Topeka Capital-Journal, this:

Sam Brownback viewed unfavorably by 70 percent in confidential GOP poll, blamed for budget woes

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A new survey of Kansans conducted for Republican Senate candidates exposed widespread disenchantment with Gov. Sam Brownback and his signature business tax break as well as eagerness to vote in November for candidates breaking with the governor on fiscal policy.

The poll involving 7,700 likely voters, obtained by The Topeka Capital-Journal, holds significance because it punctuated vulnerability of incumbent Republicans allied with the GOP governor on pivotal budget and tax issues.

Results of the statewide survey — designed to be a confidential resource for Republican nominees for Senate — reinforced a public message sent by Kansas voters when 14 GOP senators and representatives were defeated in the August primary.






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