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Posted 15 May 2019 - 04:01 PM

This Cotton person: wasn't he at one time going to be the Tea Party's Next Big Thing in the Senate? Now he's hardly mentioned! (In TRS, that is, so hardly mentioned at all, I deduce). Sad!
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Posted 15 May 2019 - 07:30 PM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 15 May 2019 - 04:01 PM, said:

This Cotton person: wasn't he at one time going to be the Tea Party's Next Big Thing in the Senate? Now he's hardly mentioned! (In TRS, that is, so hardly mentioned at all, I deduce). Sad!

Once Obama was gone a lot of the firebrands in the Senate like Cotton and even Ted Cruz have been somewhat ignored by the media. Cotton's big thing was being against the deal with Iran. With Trump pulling out of that there isn't anything for Cotton to talk about. Action in the Senate hasn't been in the legislative arena because it's just rubber-stamping Trump's judicial nominees. Not much opportunity to grandstand on that.

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Posted 14 August 2019 - 02:25 PM

I've heard of "The Family" for years. I wonder how much of this series is documentary and how much is hype.

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According to The Family, Netflix’s unnerving new five-part documentary series, the most powerful club in America is a consortium of religious true believers bound by their fanatical love of Jesus. It has no official membership and requires no dues. It works overtime to avoid publicity. Its ranks are comprised of both Republicans and Democrats.

And it seeks the eradication of the separation of church and state in its quest for its most coveted asset: power.

Available now on the streaming service, Jesse Moss’sminiseries is an adaptation-cum-expansion of The Family (2008) and C Street (2010), two nonfiction books penned by Jeff Sharlet, whose experiences with “the Family”—often also referred to as “the Fellowship”—provide a window onto an invisible world, and movement, hiding in plain sight.

As Sharlet himself explains at length, the Family is a coalition of elite evangelical Christian men who hold positions of governmental authority both here and abroad. They organize the annual National Prayer Breakfast that’s hosted every American president since Eisenhower, and they establish and run Bible-study groups around the country. Driven by the belief that they’re God’s “chosen,” hand-selected by Him to lead, they spread the gospel far and wide—and, in doing so, shore up political and social influence right beneath the population’s nose.

Their unabashed goal is a global Christian theocracy—no morality, or democracy, required.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 15 August 2019 - 05:42 AM

Hm.
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Posted 15 August 2019 - 06:05 AM

View PostBeelzebuddy, on 14 May 2019 - 03:51 PM, said:

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Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) acknowledged on "CBS This Morning" Monday that U.S. farmers will be hurt by retaliatory tariffs stemming from President Trump's trade war with China, but said that their sacrifice is "pretty minimal" compared to the sacrifices of U.S. soldiers serving overseas.

And then they turn around and complain that the Left is engaged in competitive victimhood.

I'll also note that those troops overseas could suffer a lot less if Congress (naming no names) would spend more on the care and feeding of troops and less on feeding the MIC.
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Posted 10 September 2019 - 01:57 PM

I may be misinterpreting this piece at TAC by Rod Dreher (by all means let me know if you disagree) but to me it sounds like a justification for supporting a nationalist strongman as long as they provide for your religion. He clearly admires the prime minister of Hungary, Viktor Orban, Vox did a good piece on his brand of "soft fascism" last year. Dreher tapdances around this in a way that looks like the political version of Gregory Hines in his prime ... sped up to double speed.

I've seen Dreher self-justifying what will likely be his vote for Trump in 2020. A liberal democracy does not tend to deliver religious power and Dreher fully understands this. I can't imagine him being honest about it and simply stating "Christians need to control the American government to force its citizens to live by God's Law™" but posts that lead to this dark place are becoming more frequent. This is just another example of a longing for a strongman to take over America and make it a "soft theocracy."
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Posted 10 September 2019 - 02:01 PM

A bit more on Viktor Orban. Read this paragraph and tell me if it sounds at all familiar.

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Opinion polls leave little doubt that Orbán successfully won back support by weaponizing the immigration issue. In a September 2015 poll, two-thirds of respondents in Hungary supported the building of the fence along the Serbian border. A 2016 poll conducted by the Pew Research Center in 10 European countries ascertained that Hungarians were the most likely to believe that refugees would increase the chances of terrorism in their country: 76 percent of Hungarians questioned said they believed this, compared with a median of 59 percent for the 10 polled countries. Even stronger was the belief that refugees are a burden because they take a country’s jobs and social benefits: 82 percent of Hungarians polled identified with this belief, as against a median of 50 percent.


Or how about this paragraph?

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It would be a mistake to compare the Hungarian regime to, say, Vladimir Putin’s Russia. Opposition politicians are not jailed, and antigovernment demonstrations are not subject to police brutality. But over the past eight years, Orbán has pioneered a new model of what some Hungarian scholars describe as a “half democracy in decline” or a “soft autocracy,” merging crony capitalism with right-wing rhetoric. He has flatly rejected accusations about the alleged impropriety of the sources of his allies’ enrichment, but opposition speakers in parliament repeatedly complain that he has become not only the most powerful but also the richest man in Hungary. On the Corruption Perception Index compiled by Transparency International and released this February, Hungary is ranked as the second most corrupt EU country after Bulgaria. By gerrymandering the electoral system, subjugating the free press, and curbing the judiciary, Hungary has also achieved the dubious distinction of being named by Freedom House the “least democratic country” among the EU’s 28 members.

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Posted 04 October 2019 - 02:31 PM

A complaint has been filed against the judge who gave a bible to former police officer Amber Guyger after she was convicted and sentenced. I have to agree with the complaint. You are incapable of coming across as impartial and dedicated first and foremost to the law if you are preaching in the courtroom. This was totally inappropriate and if the convicted person was of a different religious bent (and perhaps she is) it would have been incredibly wrong. And imagine the right-wing reaction if the judge had handed them a Koran.

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A Dallas judge “overstepped” when she “inappropriately” hugged Amber Guyger and gave her a Bible moments after the former police officer was sentenced to a decade in prison for murdering her unarmed black neighbor, a national atheist group claims.

In a complaint filed Thursday with the Texas State Commission on Judicial Conduct, the Freedom From Religion Foundation alleged Dallas County Judge Tammy Kemp acted unconstitutionally at the sentencing hearing for Guyger, 31, who was convicted of killing 26-year-old Botham Jean inside his apartment after mistaking his unit for her own.

The Wisconsin-based national non-profit group, which has more than 30,000 members, is now asking the commission to investigate Kemp’s “proselytizing actions,” claiming they “overstepped judicial authority.”

“It is perfectly acceptable for private citizens to express their religious beliefs in court, but the rules are different for those acting in a governmental role,” the Thursday letter to the state commission said. “We, too, believe our criminal justice system needs more compassion from judges and prosecutors. But here, compassion crossed the line into coercion.”

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 06:39 PM

The term "the official Bible for the new U.S. Space Force" is enough to make me gag for a variety of reasons.

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The blessing of what's being called "the official Bible for the new U.S. Space Force" at the Washington National Cathedral on Sunday is drawing an outpouring of criticism on social media and condemnation from a prominent religious freedom advocacy group.

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Today @WNCathedral blessed the official Bible for the new @SpaceForceDoD, which will be used to swear in all commanders of America's newest military branch.

"The Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) condemns, in as full-throated a manner as is humanly possible, the shocking and repulsive display of only the most vile, exclusivist, fundamentalist Christian supremacy," MRFF founder and president Mikey Weinstein wrote in a statement denouncing the Bible blessing. "The utilization of a Christian bible to 'swear in' commanders of the new Space Force or any other [Department of Defense] branch at ANY level is completely violative of the bedrock separation of church and state mandate of the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution."

In a tweet on Sunday, the Washington National Cathedral posted a statement describing the Bible that was blessed during a morning service as a Space Force official Bible "which will be used to swear in all commanders of America's newest military branch."

"Gross," wrote one Twitter respondent identifying himself as United Church of Christ Pastor Seth Wispelwey of Tucson, Ariz.

"Um. We don't swear our military oaths on a Bible, or any text for that matter," writes Gidget, a self-described veteran, in another reply. "Stand at attention, right hand up. That's it."

At the National Cathedral ceremony, the U.S. Air Force chief of chaplains, Maj. Gen. Steven Schaick, stands in full dress uniform before the congregation holding a King James Bible donated by the Museum of the Bible, a private Washington, D.C., institution whose board chairman is Hobby Lobby President Steve Green.

"Accept this Bible which we dedicate here today for the United States Space Force," intones the Rev. Randolph Hollerith, dean of the National Cathedral, "that all may so diligently search your holy word and find in it the wisdom that leads to peace and salvation, through Jesus Christ our Lord, amen."

The blessing of the Bible also features flattering words for President Trump, who strongly advocated for creating the Space Force, from the Episcopal Church's bishop suffragan for the armed forces.

"Almighty God, who set the planets in their courses and the stars in space," the Rev. Carl Wright implores, "look with favor, we pray you, upon the commander in chief, the 45th president of this great nation, who looked to the heavens and dared to dream of a safer future for all mankind."

Wright says the Bible will be entrusted to Gen. John Raymond, who last month assumed command of the U.S. Space Force.

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 07:26 PM

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 07:51 PM

View Postandydp, on 09 April 2019 - 04:52 PM, said:

When you KNOW evangelicals regard Catholics (and Anglicans) as part of some cult, you know they only used "the Great Whore" when it was convenient. Now that they're "in charge" they don't need Catholics anymore.

I wonder how that plays with all of the Catholics packing the courts and DoJ.
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Posted 23 January 2020 - 02:11 PM

The Christianists are in full blown money grabbing mode for taxpayer funding of their cult. They are, of course, also shitting all over states' rights because those don't matter when they don't favor your cause. And it's about to go before SCOTUS.

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Religious conservatives asked the Supreme Court Wednesday to overturn 38 state constitutional amendments and require taxpayers to fund religious schools.

You read that right. The case, Espinoza v. Montana Dept. of Revenue isn’t about whether a state may fund religious schools through a school choice, voucher, or similar program. It’s about whether it must.

And the conservatives might just win.

At issue in the case, probably the most significant church-state case on the 2019-20 docket, is Montana’s “no-aid” amendment to its state constitution, which was revised and passed in 1972. Like similar amendments in 37 other states, it prohibits “direct or indirect funding” for any “sectarian purpose.”

In 2015, the state legislature passed a law that gave a tax credit of up to $150 for donations to a school scholarship program. But in 2018, the Montana Supreme Court struck down the program, saying it violated the 1972 constitutional provision.[JM1]

That’s when a group of religious organizations upped the ante. They went to the Supreme Court, seeking not just to reinstate the program but to toss out the “no-aid” amendment entirely – and, as a consequence, invalidate 37 similar amendments across the country.

That would open the floodgates to the funding of religious schools, especially since the plaintiffs argue that not funding them—previously the constitutional norm—is actually a form of discrimination.

As in many of these cases, how Espinoza looks depends on how you frame it.


I wonder how thrilled they'll be when the first Montana madrassa opens up?
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Posted 23 January 2020 - 07:07 PM

View PostLFC, on 23 January 2020 - 02:11 PM, said:

I wonder how thrilled they'll be when the first Montana madrassa opens up?
Perhaps thrilled greatly. Then they can justify their gun-laden militias for protecting the Real 'Murcans from the jihadists in their midst. Let the Race & Religion Wars Begin!
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Posted 23 January 2020 - 08:15 PM

Don't forget the Satanic Temple.
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Posted 23 January 2020 - 08:36 PM

I'm sure you are discussing something important. However Freedom Of Religion is a rather simple concept.

Two written and one unspoken conditions need to be fulfilled.

1. Freedom of religion arises only when some form of Jesusing is involved.

2. It further stipulates the said Jesusing has to be a nuisance to others. Extra bonus points if it leads to depriving someone's rights.

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 02:47 PM

The U.S. military has long been a hotbed of mixing church and state, specifically with military officers pushing their Christianist religion down the throats of their troops. This continues today and here is another example.

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group that pushes for religious freedom for military families requested Scott Air Force Base's commander rescind an invitation he sent the families about a prayer breakfast later this month.

Michael "Mikey" Weinstein, president of the New Mexico-based Military Religious Freedom Foundation, said Monday that military culture means that an invitation, especially one requiring an R.S.V.P., is essentially interpreted as a command.

"The prayer breakfast isn't benign; it's meant to be a massive proselytizing," Weinstein said. "You can't use your position as commander to force (this). In military culture, you're being told to go there."

Weinstein said the invitation from commander Jeremiah "Scot" Heathman was posted on social media. Weinstein said Heathman should rescind the invitation and have it come from base chaplain instead. Heathman is the commander of the 375th Air Mobility Wing at the base.

On Monday morning, the wording on the invitation was changed to take out the commander's name. Weinstein said he considers that a win.

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Posted 18 May 2020 - 01:40 PM

Here's an opinion piece in TAC where the author blatantly admits that pushing school prayer was key to adoption of religion later in life. I'm pretty sure that the author doesn't actually understand that this is what their admitting to but the readers comments sure picked up on it. It's all about training brain washing people when they're children to need religion.

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That education would have something to do with secularization fits with what we know about when secularization happens. Contrary to the New Atheists’ heroic pose, the rise of the “nones” is not driven by the mature decisions of adults but by habits being formed (or not) in childhood. “The story of secularization in America is not mostly a story of lots of people who were raised religious leaving their religious faith as adults,” Stone explains. “It is a story of fewer people having a religious upbringing at all.”

Why has the trend picked up since the Sixties? Stone notes that children today spend more of their time in school than their grandparents did, but otherwise the report doesn’t link schools to the post-Boomer decline specifically. Is it that more children are attending secular schools? Parochial schools educating 5 percent of children instead of 12 percent at their peak doesn’t sound like a social revolution. What if the answer instead is that public schools themselves have become more secularizing?

Before the Supreme Court’s school prayer decisions in the Sixties, most public schools in America had some kind of devotional practice, usually a non-denominational prayer or Bible reading in the mornings along with the Pledge of Allegiance. It was only after Abington School District v. Schempp in 1963 that they stopped.

The school prayer decisions were accepted by the public because the changes required seemed like such small things. Most people would have preferred to keep reciting the Lord’s Prayer or reading scripture in homeroom. Even today, more than five decades later, most Americans (including, oddly, about half of those claiming no religion) support school prayer. But the secularizers had a knockdown argument: If sixty seconds in homeroom is really all that stands between your children and godlessness, then that’s a pretty flimsy sort of faith, isn’t it?

John F. Kennedy took that line, though he phrased it more gently. Every past president from Hoover to Eisenhower condemned the Engel v. Vitale decision when it came down in 1962, but Kennedy defended the Supreme Court. “We have in this case a very easy remedy, and that is to pray ourselves,” he noted. “We can pray a good deal more at home, we can attend our churches with a good deal more fidelity, and we can make the true meaning of prayer much more important in the lives of all of our children. That power is very much open to us.”

The Second Circuit court of appeals said something similar in the follow-up case Stein v. Oshinsky in 1965, when parents in Queens sued to stop the principal of P.S. 184 from running around kindergarten classrooms forcing the children to stop saying “God is great, God is good, and we thank Him for our food” before their morning milk and cookies. The New York district court sided with the parents on free exercise grounds, but the appeals court reversed. “Plaintiffs must content themselves with having their children say these prayers before nine or after three,” the judgment sneered.

But if the AEI report is right, there is something irreplaceable about those hours between nine and three. The atheist’s knockdown argument against school prayer — that there are plenty of other hours in a day to pray in — was based on a fallacy. Society either teaches its children that religion is something normal or something taboo. Banning prayer from schools teaches them that religion is not normal. In England in the Sixties, a comprehensive survey of immigrant attitudes found that Muslim and Sikh parents had no objection to Christian devotional practices in British schools. Their attitude was: Of course you must teach religion to your children. It was obvious to them, as it has been to every civilization in history until ours.

Social science tells us that people become more religious as they get older (and, perhaps, wiser). But people who are never exposed to the rudiments of religious practice as children will always stand in relation to religion as the Wolf Boy of Aveyron did to language. When they develop spiritual yearnings, either in the natural course of maturity or due to some life crisis, they will discover that they have no instincts to draw upon. It may be too late to reintroduce devotional practices into public schools, but at the very least we should acknowledge that when everyone said getting rid of school prayer was a little thing that wouldn’t matter much in the long run, everyone was wrong.


Here are some of the comments. The first one is from our old buddy Rabiner.

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Spoken like someone who is probably cool with prayers being recited in homeroom until those prayers are Jewish or Muslim.

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Pardon me if I find it a bit strange to read that it is the State's job to inculcate religion in children, and nary a word about it being the responsibility of the parents.

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For years after the fight for school prayer was lost on the grounds that it amounted to promoting religion, we have a Conservative effectively admitting that it did promote religion after all. I wonder how many others are coming clean on that. I agree that prohibiting school prayer made America more secular. I don't see how it could possibly have been otherwise.

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Thus another soft totalitarianism of religion bit the dust. School prayer was an abomination. It reduced the sacred to a state sponsored ritual devoid of meaning and something to be laughed at. And believe me, it was. In its way, school prayer was as unAmerican as singing The International.

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I understand that there were organized daily prayers in German schools throughout the Nazis' rule- which would seem to show how meaningful that ritual is, or how much long-term impact it has.

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Posted 18 May 2020 - 01:48 PM

As an addendum to the above post here is one of the best comments, actually an anecdote, of all.

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Back about 15 years ago the Air Force sent me to a base in the FL Panhandle, in the heart of the Bible Belt. When I held my first weekly staff meeting one of the people asked me if we could begin the meeting with a prayer as they had been doing. I thought for a minute, and replied that I was comfortable with that but since I was raised Catholic I’d lead us in praying to the Blessed Virgin Mary for her guidance and assistance--there was even a formal Catholic prayer for exactly that purpose!. Turned out that all the Baptists and Methodists who worked for me weren’t comfortable with praying to Mother Mary--go figure!--so the end result was that I told everyone they were more than welcome to pray individually prior to the 0900 Tuesday staff meeting--or anytime the preferred, or not at all--but we were done with any organized prayer as part of the meeting.

Amazing how formally endorsed prayer is welcome until it’s not the exact flavor of religious faith of those who so desperately want it established.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 18 May 2020 - 01:49 PM

So all that talk about schools and universities being "liberal" indoctrination centers was just projection all along?

Who could have seen that coming?
Well, fuck.

How can I be expected to distinguish BS from reality when so much of my reality is utter BS?!

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Posted 18 May 2020 - 02:17 PM

View PostHockeyDon, on 18 May 2020 - 01:49 PM, said:

So all that talk about schools and universities being "liberal" indoctrination centers was just projection all along?

Who could have seen that coming?

If you don't indoctrinate from an early age, children go on to develop dangerous habits like asking questions, seeking evidence, thinking critically, developing all-round autonomy, indulging in multi-orifice pleasure acts, and worse disregarding the church, not paying tithes. Can't have that!





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