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It's Not Whining, It's Simply Reality


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#1 cmk

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 10:04 PM

If I see one more right-wing hack bitching about how "Obama keeps blaming Bush for his problems", I'm going to lose it.

The simple truth is the simple truth: Obama is certainly responsible for his decisions but he is not responsible for the ones made before he took office. The hard facts that the liars on the right can't deal with is that most of the debt they are now suddenly having a big problem with came as a result of decisions made by a Republican president generally with a Republican Congress.

Decisions have impacts years down the road. You don't get to pretend that the debt came out of nowhere. You don't get to write off valid assessments of who is to blame for this by saying "Obama's still whining about Bush". When these jackasses complain about Obama "not taking responsibility", what they are really saying is that he should even take responsibility for messes he didn't create. It's dishonest and transparently so.

Hannity is one of the worse in this regard, but they all do it. Of course, if we have a President Romney in 2013, all we'll hear about is how everything is Obama's fault until 2017.
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Posted 26 July 2011 - 07:51 AM

This article in the New York Times (which the teabaggers don't read or trust because they're all suffering from epistemic closure) really says it all about the debt:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/opini ... yt&emc=rss
"One is elected by one’s positions, and if he tries to be something other than what he is, in the long run, disaster befalls him."

"Political action committees and moneyed interests are setting the nation's political agenda. Are we saying that only the rich have brains in this country? Or only people who have influential friends who have money can be in the Senate?"

"I would like to see us do away with all nuclear weapons. I just want to make sure they're all gone."

"A conservative is a person who wants to apply the proven values of the past to the problems and challenges of today. It's a dynamic living philosophy, just as our Constitution is a living document subject to new interpretations in view of changing circumstances."

"We Republicans define government's role where needed at many, many levels, preferably through the one closest to the people involved ... Our towns and our cities, then our counties, then our states..."

-Barry Goldwater

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 08:34 AM

Nice to see you, RtG.

And yep... the whole thing is a Big Lie. Put forth deliberately to manipulate the stupid.

As Jon Stewart said, these people don't care about limited government. They care about government limited to Republicans.
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Posted 26 July 2011 - 08:56 AM

It's good to be here. This forum format is definitely better than your previous one.

I think that the tea party does want "limited government," in part because Republican strategists and politicians have been repeating the phrase "limited government" for thirty years or so. The problem is, the tea party seems to think that limited government means "government bad" or "no government" due to the excessive hyperbole used by talk radio shock jocks and Machiavellians like Rove and Atwater about how evil "liberal" "big government" "socialists" are giving their tax dollars to black people (or something).

Honestly, I think "limited government" should be removed from the Republican lexicon. Same goes for other empty slogans like "strong national defense," traditional family values," "lower taxes," "less spending," etc. If Republicans really want to reduce the size of government in an effective way (which they don't), they should work with the Democrats in good faith to first to eliminate the deficit and get the economy back on track - this means raising taxes (which is NOT a conservative no-no) and increasing spending on infrastructure and clean energy. After that, Republicans need to begin an honest discussion with the Democrats about what exactly the federal government's role will be in addressing the issues of the day, and that those issues are adequately addressed if Republicans insist that the federal government should not play a particular role in a particular area. Spending can then be cut or raised accordingly, and then, after the national debt is finally paid off, tax rates can be reduced accordingly.
"One is elected by one’s positions, and if he tries to be something other than what he is, in the long run, disaster befalls him."

"Political action committees and moneyed interests are setting the nation's political agenda. Are we saying that only the rich have brains in this country? Or only people who have influential friends who have money can be in the Senate?"

"I would like to see us do away with all nuclear weapons. I just want to make sure they're all gone."

"A conservative is a person who wants to apply the proven values of the past to the problems and challenges of today. It's a dynamic living philosophy, just as our Constitution is a living document subject to new interpretations in view of changing circumstances."

"We Republicans define government's role where needed at many, many levels, preferably through the one closest to the people involved ... Our towns and our cities, then our counties, then our states..."

-Barry Goldwater





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