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Posted 05 September 2019 - 01:58 PM

Finally some sanity from social media companies on anti-vax propaganda.

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Facebook is changing how users see vaccine content — part of an ongoing effort by social platforms to correct, block, and minimize vaccine misinformation amid a record measles outbreak.

On Wednesday, the social media giant, which owns Instagram, announced a new vaccine information pop-up. Whenever users happen upon a page or profile with vaccine-related content, they’re shown a window that connects them to credible vaccine data (the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for US-based users and the World Health Organization for international users).

The move follows Facebook’s previous actions to limit anti-vaccine hoaxes on its network, and blocking of anti-vaccine hashtags, such as #VaccinesCauseAutism and #VaccinesArePoison, on Instagram.

Even Pinterest, typically a place for home and wedding inspiration, is now trying to make vaccine misinformation less prominent. Last year, the platform barred searches for any vaccine content, recognizing that its vast user base of moms was accessing misinformation on the platform. Then in August, Pinterest began displaying only results from credible public health organizations, including WHO and CDC.

YouTube has also announced it’s no longer allowing users to monetize anti-vaccine videos with ads, in the hopes that it will disincentivize the people who create them.

These changes are encouraging for one reason: Misinformation about vaccines can be dangerous. And a crackdown by some of the world’s tech giants, which all have millions of users, might mean fewer people are exposed to anti-vax information, and maybe fewer parents will decide to shirk lifesaving shots for their kids.

But it’s probably unrealistic to expect that Facebook or Pinterest will eliminate anti-vaccine sentiment, and there are reasons to be skeptical of their approaches. While it’s popular to blame YouTube and its ilk for every social evil, it’s not actually clear that these platforms are emboldening vaccine denialism in a significant way. And there are better proven ways to boost immunization rates — but they involve more systemic fixes than just stamping out erroneous pins and Facebook posts. Here’s why.


Update: The CDC puts the number of measles cases in the U.S. at 1,234 now.
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Posted 05 September 2019 - 05:28 PM

Now if they would only do that for other leading misinformation, like climate change, etc.
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Posted 10 September 2019 - 02:19 PM

Anti vaxxers close down part of the CA legislature in protesting two bills that define how medical exemptions are to be given. Apparently medical exemptions were for sale by some doctors. The bills were authored by a senator who is also a pediatrician and who authored a bill banning personal belief as reason for exemption.

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 11:27 AM

We might finally be at the end of the measles outbreak ... for now.

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For the first time since early January, no new measles cases were reported in the United States last week, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Health officials continue to monitor ongoing outbreaks in two New York counties.

The number of measles cases in the United remained at 1,241 for the year as of last Thursday.

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 11:14 AM

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 11:19 AM

The U.S. retained its measles elimination status ... barely.

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Just in the nick of time, a nearly yearlong measles outbreak that threatened to strip the United States of a major public health achievement decades in the making has ended. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced on October 4 that the United States has maintained its measles elimination status, first gained in 2000.

“We are very pleased that the measles outbreak has ended in New York and that measles is still considered eliminated in the United States,” said U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar in a statement. “But this past year’s outbreak was an alarming reminder about the dangers of vaccine hesitancy and misinformation.”

Had the New York state outbreak not been resolved by October 2, the United States would have lost its status as a country that has eliminated measles, primarily putting those not vaccinated at risk from homegrown measles cases. It would have also raised concerns for other countries working to eliminate measles, says Walter Orenstein, a vaccinologist at Emory University School of Medicine in Atlanta. “If we can’t do it, how can they?” Measles this year has already reestablished itself in several countries where it had previously been eliminated, including the United Kingdom.

If there are no endemic cases for at least a year, measles is considered eliminated. That means the virus is not continually spreading within an area.


Unvaccinated adults played a big role in spreading measles this year even though children bore the brunt of it. Nice of these folks to bring the disease into an area and then share it around to those least prepared to fight it.

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Unvaccinated adults had a “significant” impact on the early days of the New York State measles outbreak, with 51% of cases during the first month being attributable to them, according to data presented at IDWeek.

Two measles outbreaks in New York that sickened almost 1,000 people — one in New York City, the other in Rockland County — have both been declared over. Debra Blog, MD, MPH, director of the division of epidemiology at the New York State Department of Health, and colleagues analyzed data on measles cases occurring outside of New York City from October 2018 to September 2019.

“We wanted to look at the role that adults played in the outbreak,” Blog told Infectious Disease News. “There was significant transmission to others for these cases. Most adults — 82% — who became ill with measles were unvaccinated or had unknown vaccination status.”

Blog summarized the study findings, noting that although 80% of cases occurred in children, adults did play a significant role in transmission, especially early in the outbreak.

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Posted 02 November 2019 - 05:49 PM

Measles Makes Your Immune System’s Memory Forget Defenses Against Other Illnesses

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New research shows the virus can have devastating effects on the immune system that persist much longer than the illness itself.

Measles is far more dangerous than most people realize, new research shows.

The disease itself can cause a severe and sometimes deadly illness, but two new studies published on Thursday found that even when patients recover, the virus can inflict lasting harm on their immune systems.

The weakened immunity leaves a child vulnerable for several years to other dangerous infections like flu and pneumonia. The damage occurs because the virus kills cells that make antibodies, which are crucial to fighting off infections.

Scientists call the effect “immune amnesia.” During childhood, as colds, flu, stomach bugs and other illnesses come and go, the immune system forms something akin to a memory that it uses to attack those germs if they try to invade again. The measles virus erases that memory, leaving the patient prone to catching the diseases all over again.

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Posted 03 November 2019 - 07:38 AM

This was actually discovered back in the 60s, although we're learning more about it now as we figure out more about how the immune system works (it's messy.)

Back then, when the measles vaccine was introduced there was a drop in not only measles but a whole host of other diseases, and this was the hypothesis of how that happened.

Me, I hope we figure out how measles does it and weaponize it against autoimmune diseases.
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Posted 18 November 2019 - 06:28 PM

Robert F. Kennedy Jr, Merchant of Death.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is the single leading source of anti-vax ads on Facebook

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Just two organizations were responsible for the majority of anti-vaccine advertisements on Facebook before the social media giant restricted such content in March of this year, according to a November 13 study in the journal Vaccine.

Of 145 anti-vaccine Facebook advertisements that ran between May 31, 2017 and February 22, 2019, the World Mercury Project and a group called Stop Mandatory Vaccination together ran 54% of them.

The World Mercury Project, which ran the most ads of any single source, is an organization closely aligned with the anti-vaccine group Children's Health Defense. Both are spearheaded by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., an environmental lawyer turned prolific peddler of dangerous anti-vaccine misinformation. He and his organizations promote conspiracy theories about vaccine safety, including the roundly debunked claim that safe, life-saving immunizations are linked to autism. More recently, Kennedy has become a prominent opponent of laws aimed at increasing vaccination rates among school children.

Stop Mandatory Vaccination is a for-profit venture run by a man named Larry Cook. He, too, trumpets vaccine misinformation and fear-mongers. On Facebook and other platforms, Cook runs advertisements and campaigns making dubious links between the vaccines and tragic baby deaths. One such ad was banned by the UK's Advertising Standards Authority last year. The regulator determined the ad to be "misleading," "unsubstantiated," and "likely to cause undue distress." In other instances, he has claimed that the pro-vaccine medical community is covering up the "slaughter" of children.

Cook has raised tens of thousands of dollars via crowd funding. (He was banned earlier this year from GoFundMe). The money goes not only to Cook's disturbing anti-vaccine misinformation campaigns but also to his own pockets. In an interview with The Daily Beast in February, Cook declined to disclose how much of the donations he receives go to himself and how much go to his anti-vaccine activities. He told the outlet: "I'm not a non-profit. I don't need to report any income—we are in a capitalist society and anyone can raise and spend how we want."

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 07:17 PM

This has made me lose all respect for him.
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Posted 04 December 2019 - 02:32 PM

Samoa is dealing with a measles outbreak in a time honored way but with a twist. Houses that contain un-vaccinated people are to be marked with red flags so that public health workers know who needs to be vaccinated.

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Officials told the public Tuesday to hang red flags or cloth outside houses where people have not been vaccinated, to help teams embarking on a massive door-to-door campaign giving free booster shots. The government plans to canvas the entire country of 200,000 over two days later this week while shutting down both the “public and private sectors” — the latest urgent measure in a health crisis that’s hit the South Pacific nation’s children hardest.


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Posted 04 December 2019 - 04:37 PM

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Samoa is dealing with a measles outbreak in a time honored way but with a twist. Houses that contain un-vaccinated people are to be marked with red flags so that public health workers know who needs to be vaccinated.

A probable major trigger of low vaccination rates was mentioned in the WaPo piece but it this article explains what happened in detail.

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The government of Samoa will shut down for two days this week while officials try to curb a deadly measles outbreak that has sickened 3,728 and killed 53—48 of whom were children ages 0 to 4 years old.

The Pacific island nation of around 200,000 first declared an outbreak of measles on October 16. The highly contagious viral infection spread rapidly, and officials declared a state of emergency by mid-November. The outbreak has continued to flare, however. On Sunday, the government reported that there had been 198 new measles cases in the last 24 hours alone.

In response, officials there have closed schools, barred children from public gatherings, and begun an intensive vaccination campaign. Since November, the government has reported vaccinating over 58,000 people.

But officials have their work cut out for them. The World Health Organization and UNICEF estimated that Samoa’s measles vaccination rate for infants was just 31% in 2018. That’s down from about 60% to 70% in earlier years and a high of 90% in 2013.

The drop may be partly explained by the tragic deaths of two infants in July 2018, according to the WHO. The infants died on the same day at the same hospital, shortly after they had each received what was supposed to be an MMR vaccine (which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella).

While some quickly blamed the vaccine itself, officials later determined that two nurses had improperly prepared the immunizations. Investigators found that they had mixed in a lethal dose of muscle relaxant, and one of the nurses tried to cover up the error by taking the empty bottle of the muscle relaxant home after retrieving it from the garbage. The two faced charges of manslaughter and were both sentenced to five years in prison in August of this year.


And once again f***ing Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. was up to his filthy, lying neck in it, peddling garbage like crazy over the two deaths. He used his wealth and fame to spread lies, plain and simple. The fact that the lies were never corrected shows how knowingly complicit he is. The blood of these 48 dead children is now on his hands as well as the hands of all the other anti-vaxxers who peddled this bullshit.

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Still, news of the heartbreaking deaths shook the island nation’s confidence in the healthcare system. And anti-vaccination groups pounced on the circumstances. Most notably, the deaths were picked up by the Children’s Health Defense, run by the prominent anti-vaccine advocate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. As The Washington Post noted, Kennedy’s organization spent months highlighting the deaths on Facebook while questioning the safety of the MMR vaccines. But the organization did not correct the posts or update its audience with information regarding the nurses’ error and convictions.

Kennedy visited Samoa in June, appearing alongside local anti-vaccine advocates and even a staff member of the US embassy. In November, Kennedy’s organization sent a letter to the Samoan prime minister, encouraging officials to question the MMR vaccine. Kennedy peddles the false and dangerous claim that vaccines are linked to autism, despite the fact that numerous scientific studies have robustly debunked the baseless claim.

On Sunday, Samoan Prime Minister Tuilaepa Sailele Malielegaoi encouraged residents to fight back against misinformation. “Let us work together to encourage and convince those that do not believe that vaccinations are the only answer to the epidemic,” he said.


It may be in poor taste but I think the best thing Mr. Kennedy can do for the safety of children of the world is to go join his father. We don't need another effective mass murderer of children on our planet. It's dangerous enough for them as it is.
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Posted 06 December 2019 - 03:45 PM

OK, I admit I'm a bit conflicted on this one and I'm really interested to hear what other TRSers think.

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Samoan authorities have arrested a prominent anti-vaccination activist amid an outbreak that has killed at least 63 people, most of them children.

Edwin Tamasese has been charged with "incitement against a government order," according to the BBC.

Government officials say anti-vaccination advocates such as Tamesese have complicated their sweeping efforts to turn the tide on the highly contagious disease that has sickened more than 4,300 people on the independent Pacific islands.

The government has declared a state of emergency and ordered mandatory vaccinations. It shut schools indefinitely. This week, it launched a door-to-door mass vaccination campaign, asking families to pin a piece of red cloth on their homes if they haven't been vaccinated.

On Thursday and Friday, the government closed all of its offices except public utilities, so that civil servants could focus on the campaign. Officials say more than 20,000 people have received vaccines.

"Let us work together to ... convince those that do not believe that vaccinations are the only answer to the epidemic. Let us not be distracted by the promise of alternative cures," Prime Minister Tuilaepa Sailele Malielegaoi said earlier this week.

The anti-vaccination movement "unfortunately has been slowing us down," Samoa's Minister of Communication, Afamasaga Lepuiai Rico Tupai, told New Zealand's 1 News Now.

He blamed "anti-vaxxers" for the deaths of children. "We find out it's the message of anti-vaxx that's got to these families. ... What we say to them is, 'don't be in the way of government. Don't be contributing to the deaths and the numbers rising.'"

As Tamesese was being taken into custody, he spoke out again on social media against the vaccine, falsely claiming that a combination of vitamin C and sodium ascorbate, a mineral salt of ascorbic acid, can cure the disease. "This will save your kids," posted on Facebook before, he said, authorities took his phone.

Response to Tamasese's arrest has ranged from support from people who call him a hero to derision from critics who accuse him of worsening a deadly crisis.


Freedom of speech is fundamentally important in our nation but perhaps this particular case should be better viewed being similar to shouting "FIRE!" in a crowded movie theater. This kind of talk is literally, not figuratively, directly responsible for killing dozens of children in Samoa. It seems that shutting it down in the midst of a massive health crisis that is killing people is reasonable. I suspect it will end up being tested out in court.
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Posted 06 December 2019 - 04:24 PM

View PostLFC, on 06 December 2019 - 03:45 PM, said:

OK, I admit I'm a bit conflicted on this one and I'm really interested to hear what other TRSers think.




Freedom of speech is fundamentally important in our nation but perhaps this particular case should be better viewed being similar to shouting "FIRE!" in a crowded movie theater. This kind of talk is literally, not figuratively, directly responsible for killing dozens of children in Samoa. It seems that shutting it down in the midst of a massive health crisis that is killing people is reasonable. I suspect it will end up being tested out in court.

That's a tough question. Kids are dying and it seems anti-vax info would be refuted just by the circumstances right now.

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 04:34 PM

Some of the anti-vaxxers are turning abusive and violent. I think it's just a matter of time before they seriously injure or kill somebody. These people are as nuts and self-righteous as some of the anti-abortion folks.

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Opposition to immunizations was once largely limited to online bullying, but now opponents are increasingly taking their harassment tactics into the real world: aggressively following legislators and doctors and, in some cases, using physical violence.

The degree to which the anti-vaccine extremists takes this is in excess of any other group.

But as opposition to vaccination has risen in recent years, so have cases of measles. Major outbreaks occurred in California and New York have spurred lawmakers in those states to strengthen vaccine mandates for school children. Reaction from anti-vaccine groups was swift and violent.

Online conspiracy theorist Austin Bennett livestreamed himself physically shoving the author of California's law, state Sen. Dr. Richard Pan. Bennett was later charged with a misdemeanor. The next month, Rebecca Dalelio, a participant at a protest at the California state Capitol, was charged with assault and vandalism when police say she threw a menstrual cup full of blood on lawmakers in the gallery.

Pan, who is also a pediatrician, suspects he was Dalelio's target.

"Everyone around me was hit" when the blood splattered on the legislative floor, he said.

Pan said anti-vaccine groups have stalked him at conferences, speaking engagements, even the March for Science in Washington.

As legislators, "we deal with all sorts of contentious issues — guns, abortions, lots of issues people are very passionate about," Pan said. "But the degree to which the anti-vaccine extremists takes this is in excess of any other group."

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 06:17 PM

View PostLFC, on 06 December 2019 - 04:34 PM, said:

Some of the anti-vaxxers are turning abusive and violent. I think it's just a matter of time before they seriously injure or kill somebody. These people are as nuts and self-righteous as some of the anti-abortion folks.

Oh yeah. I don't think I mentioned that anti-vaxxers threw menstrual blood onto the CA Senate floor from the gallery above at the end of September session. A bill restricting exemptions was being debated. They were trying to delay the vote I guess.

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 06:53 PM

View PostLFC, on 06 December 2019 - 03:45 PM, said:

OK, I admit I'm a bit conflicted on this one and I'm really interested to hear what other TRSers think.




Freedom of speech is fundamentally important in our nation but perhaps this particular case should be better viewed being similar to shouting "FIRE!" in a crowded movie theater. This kind of talk is literally, not figuratively, directly responsible for killing dozens of children in Samoa. It seems that shutting it down in the midst of a massive health crisis that is killing people is reasonable. I suspect it will end up being tested out in court.

It's basically equivalent to inciting people to violate a quarantine, which in the US is punishable by fines and imprisonment. Conspiracy to commit a crime is generally punishable at the same level as the crime itself.

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 08:10 PM

View PostLFC, on 06 December 2019 - 03:45 PM, said:

OK, I admit I'm a bit conflicted on this one and I'm really interested to hear what other TRSers think.

Freedom of speech is fundamentally important in our nation but perhaps this particular case should be better viewed being similar to shouting "FIRE!" in a crowded movie theater. This kind of talk is literally, not figuratively, directly responsible for killing dozens of children in Samoa. It seems that shutting it down in the midst of a massive health crisis that is killing people is reasonable. I suspect it will end up being tested out in court.

I have been struggling for a while with a similar conflict, i.e. freedom of the press and the urgency of the need to deal with the right-wing propaganda machine. It has been undermining a sane national dialog, destroying our democracy, and even perhaps threatening any semblance of a human viable ecosystem of the planet. I keep getting closer to the point of saying screw it, we'll deal with the possible abuses down the road. After all, we won't have any abuses to worry about ever again if we keep going down the path we are on.
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Posted 06 December 2019 - 08:17 PM

View PostAnBr, on 06 December 2019 - 08:10 PM, said:

I have been struggling for a while with a similar conflict, i.e. freedom of the press and the urgency of the need to deal with the right-wing propaganda machine. It has been undermining a sane national dialog, destroying our democracy, and even perhaps threatening any semblance of a human viable ecosystem of the planet. I keep getting closer to the point of saying screw it, we'll deal with the possible abuses down the road. After all, we won't have any abuses to worry about ever again if we keep going down the path we are on.

The right-wing has weaponized the media through Faux News, Breitbart, Limbaugh, One America, Sinclair, and on and on. The billionaires figures out that this was the best way to manipulate enough people into voting against their own interests and allowing the purchased politicians to bankrupt the nation for their gain of the few.
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Posted 08 December 2019 - 08:54 PM

A pile of dumb-f*** anti-vaxxers (but I repeat myself) whine about being called anti-vaxxers. The internet was not kind. Neither was this I F***ing Love Science piece.

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A group of anti-vaxxers is asking the media to stop referring to them as anti-vaxxers (even though that's literally what they are), and people have been less than enthusiastic in accepting their suggested replacement.

This week, the anti-vaxxer group Crazymothers (no, we're not even remotely kidding) posted the request to their Twitter and Instagram pages.

"Dear Media," the open letter read. "Please retire the use of the term 'Anti-vaxxer.' It is derogatory, inflammatory, and marginalizes both women and their experiences. It is dismissively simplistic, highly offensive and largely false. We politely request that you refer to us as the Vaccine Risk Aware."

People responding to the group were quick to point out that if they were really aware of the risk of any adverse effects of vaccines, which are mainly minor, extremely rare and do not include autism (despite what you may read on that bastion of scientific information [squints] crazymothers.info). Especially when you weigh it up against the risks associated with not getting your child vaccinated, which include your child getting a potentially deadly disease and risking the health of others around them.

An outbreak of measles in the Democratic Republic of Congo, for instance, has seen 233,337 cases of measles and 4,723 deaths over the past year, with children under the age of five accounting for almost 90 percent of those deaths.

So when Crazymothers asked people to call them "risk aware", people had quite a few suggestions of their own.


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Talia Lavin
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lets just call yall plague enthusiasts then

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Charlie Stross
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Medically Illiterate Murderclowns?

Child Killers?

(Taking their concerns seriously … anti-autism-bigots.)

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Hate-Driven Anti-Science Regressives takes longer to say, but ok

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