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Posted 19 April 2019 - 10:12 AM

NYC wins in court against the illiterati who believe vaccines are bad. Chalk one up for science based public safety regulations.

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A New York judge on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit brought against the city’s Department of Health by five parents who refuse to vaccinate their children.

The dismissal shores up an emergency order declaring the city’s measles outbreak a public health emergency. In addition to mandating the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine for children in zip codes affected by the crisis, it threatened parents with fines of up to $1,000.

There have been 329 confirmed cases of the viral illness, mostly among observant Jews in the Williamsburg neighborhood of Brooklyn.

“The unvarnished truth is that these diagnoses represent the most significant spike in incidences of measles in the United States in many years and that the Williamsburg section of Brooklyn is at its epicenter,” Kings County Supreme Court justice Lawrence Knipel wrote.

Knipel debunked the parents’ arguments, concluding that their medical objections to vaccines ran counter to scientific evidence; their religious objections weren’t supported by doctrine, and were only relevant to school admissions; and their moral objections, such as their insistence on informed consent for vaccines, were misplaced.

“A fireman need not obtain the informed consent of the owner before extinguishing a house fire,” he wrote. “Vaccination is known to extinguish the fire of contagion.”

Jay Begun, founder of Kindercare Pediatrics in Williamsburg and an instructor in the Department of Pediatrics at Mount Sinai, said the dismissal was a victory for the community.

“Now more people will be encouraged to immunize their children, and it will create a safer environment for everyone,” he said. “This proves that the greater good trumps the marginal opinions of a small segment of the population.”

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Posted 19 April 2019 - 08:52 PM

View PostLFC, on 19 April 2019 - 08:46 AM, said:



Flu. We already know what it's capable of in a less networked world.

That.
Also polio and diphtheria, both water-borne and potentially deadly, come to mind. Also tetanus.
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Posted 19 April 2019 - 09:13 PM

View PostBact PhD, on 19 April 2019 - 08:52 PM, said:

Also polio and diphtheria, both water-borne and potentially deadly, come to mind. Also tetanus.

I'm pretty sure that diphtheria is only "water-borne" in the "aerosol droplet" sense. Tetanus, of course, might be considered "soil borne" which gets you three of the four elements. Finding a fire-borne pathogen might be difficult.

PS: I also realize that polio isn't necessarily "water borne" since it's fecal-oral. But water does seem to be the main route.
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Posted 19 April 2019 - 09:36 PM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 19 April 2019 - 09:13 PM, said:

I also realize that polio isn't necessarily "water borne" since it's fecal-oral. But water does seem to be the main route.

When I was young in the Pre Salk Vaccine days. I distinctly remember public heath posters telling kids to be careful about water fountains as being polio risk areas.
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Posted 20 April 2019 - 09:30 PM

View Postandydp, on 19 April 2019 - 09:36 PM, said:

When I was young in the Pre Salk Vaccine days

Ah, yes. $HERSELF was one of the test subjects in the pre-Francis trials. When she was a microbiology student her antibody titer was still so high that she created false negatives (ask Bact).

She jokes that she's still so loaded with antibodies that if there were an outbreak they could dump her body in the reservoir to wipe them all out.
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Posted 20 April 2019 - 09:51 PM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 20 April 2019 - 09:30 PM, said:

She jokes that she's still so loaded with antibodies that if there were an outbreak they could dump her body in the reservoir to wipe them all out.

I can relate a little: I had several smallpox inoculations up to about age 22. I have never gotten the postule. My personal theory is I was born while my parents had a current vaccination. I’m guessing I have a permanent immunity. Again, just my two cents.
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Posted 21 April 2019 - 07:47 PM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 20 April 2019 - 09:30 PM, said:



Ah, yes. $HERSELF was one of the test subjects in the pre-Francis trials. When she was a microbiology student her antibody titer was still so high that she created false negatives (ask Bact).

She jokes that she's still so loaded with antibodies that if there were an outbreak they could dump her body in the reservoir to wipe them all out.

Holy Crap! That took doing! I can see the lab folks: Keep diluting, keep diluting...

I’ll try and find a suitable graphic to explain what DC is referring to; I’m not coming up with a good analogy just now.
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Posted 25 April 2019 - 08:05 AM

The cases keep climbing. We're now at a 25 year high thanks to a bunch of selfish, superstitious, easily duped assholes.

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U.S. measles cases in 2019 have climbed to their highest level in 25 years in a resurgence largely attributed to misinformation that is turning parents against vaccines.

New York City health officials on Wednesday reported 61 new cases since late last week, apparently pushing this year’s nationwide tally past the 667 cases reported for all of 2014. That would make 2019 the worst year for measles since 1994.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention updates its national measles count on Mondays. CDC officials said they are reviewing the latest reports.

Roughly three-quarters of this year’s illnesses in the U.S. have been in New York state, mainly in two ultra-Orthodox Jewish communities in Brooklyn and suburban Rockland County. Most of those cases have been in unvaccinated people.

The number of cases is likely to rise. Measles is highly contagious and can spread through the air when someone coughs or sneezes. And in recent days, Jewish families have been gathering for Passover meals. It can take 10 to 12 days for symptoms to develop.

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 09:18 AM

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 10:30 PM

View PostBact PhD, on 21 April 2019 - 07:47 PM, said:

Holy Crap! That took doing! I can see the lab folks: Keep diluting, keep diluting...

I’ll try and find a suitable graphic to explain what DC is referring to; I’m not coming up with a good analogy just now.

Here are several graphics that illustrate the basics.

Whereas in most scenarios, the relationship between antibody concentration in a sample and the development of color at the end is basically linear, in the case of DC's $HERSELF, the antibody concentration is literally so high that the molecules don't bind to the immobilized substrate and are washed away in subsequent steps, rendering the end result "negative".

I will confess, it's a phenomenon I've got some hands-on experience with, back in grad school. It's mind-blowing to see the more concentrated samples have no visible development and the more dilute ones blazing positives, rather than the usual reverse.
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Posted 29 April 2019 - 03:41 PM

It’s over 700 now.

https://talkingpoint...s-outbreak-2019

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Posted 03 May 2019 - 10:46 AM

A cruise ship owned by the Church of Scientology (which are not anti-vax AFAIK) has been quarantined because a crew member has the measles.

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A cruise ship owned by the Church of Scientology that has a female crew member with a case of measles on board has departed from St. Lucia, according to marinetraffic.com.

The chief medical officer of St. Lucia said on Thursday that the ship would likely leave Port Castries where it was moored for its home port that night. The Church of Scientology says on its website the ship's home port is in Curaçao.

The Freewinds, with approximately 300 crew members and passengers, was been quarantined in a port in the Caribbean island's capital since officials discovered the person on board has the highly contagious disease, according to Chief Medical Officer Dr. Merlene Fredericks-James.

On Thursday, the ship's doctor requested 100 doses of the measles vaccine, according to a statement from the St. Lucia Department of Health and Wellness, "and this is currently being provided from our supplies, at no cost."

Crew members and passengers are being monitored by the ship's doctor, the statement said. "Continued surveillance is necessary as the incubation period for measles ranges from 10 to 12 days before symptoms in exposed persons occur," the statement added.

No one on the ship has been allowed to disembark.

Fredericks-James said "given the highly infectious nature of the disease, it is likely that others may have been exposed."

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 03 May 2019 - 11:05 AM

We're now at the highest numbers of cases (and it's only very early May) since 1966, 2 years after the vaccine was licenses and well before a second dose recommendation was issued.

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Here's the recent record. The last CDC update for 2019 was 704 cases through April 26.

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Posted 07 May 2019 - 09:01 AM

Off topic but I have to ask, the Church of Scientology owns a cruise ship?

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Posted 07 May 2019 - 09:40 AM

View Postgolden_valley, on 07 May 2019 - 09:01 AM, said:

Off topic but I have to ask, the Church of Scientology owns a cruise ship?

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Posted 07 May 2019 - 09:45 AM

U.S. measles cases go up by another 60. Europe, especially Ukraine, are seeing big numbers too.

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A large measles outbreak in Ukraine has infected more than 25,000 people and is connected to growing outbreaks in Europe and the record-setting one in the United States.

Both the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the World Health Organization (WHO) released new measles updates today. The CDC recorded 60 new cases of measles last week, raising 2019's total to 764, the highest number seen since 1994.

Meanwhile, the first 2 months of 2019 saw 34,300 measles cases reported in 42 countries of the WHO European Region, including 13 measles-related deaths in Albania, Romania, and Ukraine. Ukraine's more than 25,000 cases account for more than 75% of the European total.

"Although the European Region achieved its highest ever estimated coverage for the second dose of measles vaccination in 2017 (90%)," the WHO said, "countries with measles outbreaks have experienced a range of challenges in recent years including a decline or stagnation in overall routine immunization coverage in some cases, low coverage at subnational level or among some marginalized groups and immunity gaps in older populations."

In both the United States and Europe, most cases are occurring in unvaccinated or under-vaccinated patients. The CDC said most US outbreaks (defined as three or more related cases) have been tied to ongoing outbreaks in Ukraine, Israel, and the Philippines.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 07 May 2019 - 09:46 AM

View PostLFC, on 07 May 2019 - 09:40 AM, said:


Da-ang! If you don't get clean do they dump you overboard?

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Posted 08 May 2019 - 02:32 PM

In the face of the worst measles outbreak the Oregon GOP just can't help themselves. There is literally no position a Republican won't take for a perceived momentary political advantage even if it potentially means the suffering and even death of children, and white children at that! They really are as morally bankrupt as it gets.

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Oregon’s Republican Party railed against “forced vaccines” from its official Twitter account on Monday evening.

“Oregon Democrats were just joking about ‘my body, my choice’ while rammimg [sic] forced injections down every Oregon parent’s throat,” the account tweeted.

The tweet references HB 3063, an Oregon state House bill that would get rid of non-medical exemptions to vaccinating schoolchildren.

Oddly enough, one of the chief sponsors of the bill, Rep. Cheri Helt, is a Republican.

“This was a priority for me this session,” Helt told the Statesman Journal. “It is to make sure that we’re going to protect our student’s safety.”

Thanks to a growing population of people who refuse to vaccinate themselves or their children, this year saw the worst measles outbreak in 25 years.

The party has not responded to TPM’s requests for comment.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 09 May 2019 - 12:37 AM

Kentucky teen who sued over vaccine gets chickenpox

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A US teenager who took legal action against his school after he was banned for refusing the chickenpox vaccination now has the virus, his lawyer says.

Jerome Kunkel, 18, made headlines last month after he unsuccessfully sued his Kentucky school for barring unimmunised students amid an outbreak.

His lawyer, Christopher Weist, told US media that the teen's symptoms developed last week.

The student had opposed the vaccine on religious grounds.

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

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Posted 09 May 2019 - 09:08 AM

View PostAnBr, on 09 May 2019 - 12:37 AM, said:


And now he has shingles to look forward to in his adult life.
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"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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