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Posted 05 January 2015 - 04:08 PM

I saw a headline elsewhere that the NYPD union wanted all cop killings defined as gate crimes. I guess if you look at recent events you could decide that the cops hate "civilians".... oh, wait! You mean that isn't what they meant?
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Posted 05 January 2015 - 07:11 PM

What is a "gate" crime?
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Posted 05 January 2015 - 07:15 PM

View PostAnBr, on 05 January 2015 - 07:11 PM, said:

What is a "gate" crime?


Like a gateway drug? Or maybe a "hate" crime. Sigh.
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Posted 05 January 2015 - 07:32 PM

Damned iPhone strikes again.
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Posted 05 January 2015 - 09:00 PM

View PostAnBr, on 05 January 2015 - 07:32 PM, said:

Damned iPhone strikes again.
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Posted 11 January 2015 - 10:59 AM

http://www.huffingto..._n_6446340.html

A little fishy now don't ya think?
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Posted 12 January 2015 - 11:17 AM

Double post.
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Posted 12 January 2015 - 11:19 AM

Today NPR reports a study showing even when internal groups suggest discipline (up to termination) of officers for using a choke hold, Police Commissioner Ray Kelly refused to do more than ask them to review regulations.

Wasn't he a darling of the GOP a year or so back?

http://www.npr.org/b...ds-report-finds
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Posted 12 January 2015 - 04:19 PM

Remember we were talking about grand juries in general and Staten Island in particular? How a DA like Donovan with political ambitions would not want to indict New York cops?

So he just announced he's going to run for Grimm's seat. Didn't take long.

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Posted 12 January 2015 - 04:22 PM

Elsewhere, that video really riled people up in AlbeQ

http://www.latimes.c...0112-story.html

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Posted 12 January 2015 - 04:33 PM

View Postgmat, on 12 January 2015 - 04:19 PM, said:

Remember we were talking about grand juries in general and Staten Island in particular? How a DA like Donovan with political ambitions would not want to indict New York cops?

So he just announced he's going to run for Grimm's seat. Didn't take long.

The story in the link is about internal police discipline , or lack there of. It appears the NYPD has had multiple cases where internal review suggest discipline of officers, but top officials declined.
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Posted 12 January 2015 - 04:38 PM

View PostProgressive whisperer, on 12 January 2015 - 04:33 PM, said:



The story in the link is about internal police discipline , or lack there of. It appears the NYPD has had multiple cases where internal review suggest discipline of officers, but top officials declined.

Sorry, I was referring to something else from a while back. Just jogged my memory when I saw Donovan was running.

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Posted 12 January 2015 - 04:53 PM

A glimmer of justice

2 Albuquerque cops face possible murder charges in homeless man's death
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Posted 12 January 2015 - 06:15 PM

View PostBeelzebuddy, on 12 January 2015 - 04:53 PM, said:


That's totally unfair. We demand that our police protect us from homeless people camped out in the middle of fucking no-where, and bothering nobody, but when when they murder them (and really... what options did they have? Remember he's already in the middle of fucking nowhere... where could they take him that was any more remote?) we get all pissy and complain that they use excessive force.

If you don't want your police killing homeless people, give them a home and a bulletproof vest! It's not the police's fault that these people are not impervious to gunfire and flash grenades. sheesh.
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Posted 15 January 2015 - 09:21 PM

Officer acquitted of charges even with video showing him kicking and stomping a suspect hit with a stun gun and lying motionless on the ground.

http://www.nbcphilad...-288604041.html

I guess we should feel sorry for the officer. He probably got some blood on his shoes.
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Posted 15 January 2015 - 10:06 PM

Then they should charge the purp with destruction of public property.
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Posted 15 January 2015 - 10:24 PM

View PostLFC, on 15 January 2015 - 09:21 PM, said:

Officer acquitted of charges even with video showing him kicking and stomping a suspect hit with a stun gun and lying motionless on the ground.

http://www.nbcphilad...-288604041.html

I guess we should feel sorry for the officer. He probably got some blood on his shoes.

I've love to hear the deliberations for that one. Simply amazing.
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Posted 16 January 2015 - 11:39 AM

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Two of the three officers captured in the video pleaded guilty in June to depriving Lopez-Soto of his civil rights. Higgins pleaded not guilty. His name was cleared Wednesday in federal court.

Read more: http://www.nbcconnec...l#ixzz3P0GVW3o8


I imagine the other two cops must feel pretty stupid just about now.
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Posted 16 January 2015 - 02:31 PM

It appears that New Yorkers don't think too much of Patrick Lynch, the loudmouth apologist in chief for the NYPD, or the disrespectful shenanigans he advocates. Bold is mine.

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New York City voters disapprove of police officers turning their backs on the Mayor at police funerals by 69% to 27%. 77% think police union President Pay Lynch's "blood on his hands" remarks were "too extreme" and no racial or gender subset of the population considers the comments "appropriate."

Though there are big differences across the city's racial groups 47% of New Yorkers say de Blasio's actions since he began his run for Mayor show he supports the city's police. 37% say the opposite.

Finally 52% of New Yorkers (versus 38%) says police discipline has broken down.

Pat Lynch is deeply unpopular, an accolade he shares with Al Sharpton.

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Posted 16 January 2015 - 03:06 PM

Oh dear god. Now it turns out that there's a police department in Florida (knock me over with a feather) that has been using police mugshots for target practice at the range. The chief of the North Miami Beach Police Department said that this is standard. It was discovered when a member of the Florida Army National Guard went to the range and found a photo of her brother among those shot up by the police during training.

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Deant's sister, who serves in the Florida Army National Guard, said she discovered her brother's face last month among a set of black male mugshots that were being used for target practice when she attended a shooting range, the station reported. Members of the the North Miami Police Department had been practicing there earlier, she told the station.

The mugshot was 15 years old, according to the family.

“Now I’m being used as a target?” Woody Deant told the station. “I’m not even living that life according to how they portrayed me as. I’m a father. I’m a husband. I’m a career man. I work 9-to-5.”


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The police defense was that it wasn't racist because they blasted holes in the faces of whites and Hispanics as well.

Seriously, what hammerhead at the upper echelons of this department thought this was a good idea? They should be fired, if for no other reason than being dumb as a bag of rocks.
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