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#21 LFC

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Posted 08 December 2014 - 07:10 PM

Here's a man who saw the racism of police in St. Louis from both sides, both as somebody police rousted and later as an officer himself.

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As a kid, I got used to being stopped by the police. I grew up in an inner-ring suburb of St. Louis. It was the kind of place where officers routinely roughed up my friends and family for no good reason.

I hated the way cops treated me.

But I knew police weren’t all bad. One of my father’s closest friends was a cop. He became a mentor to me and encouraged me to join the force. He told me that I could use the police’s power and resources to help my community.

So in 1994, I joined the St. Louis Police Department. I quickly realized how naive I’d been. I was floored by the dysfunctional culture I encountered.

I won’t say all, but many of my peers were deeply racist.

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Posted 08 December 2014 - 09:19 PM

View PostLFC, on 08 December 2014 - 05:22 PM, said:

Fox News host expresses agreement that minorities need to be trained to be more sensitive to police.

Yes, the actual victims need to accommodate the bed wetters.
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Posted 08 December 2014 - 09:54 PM

View PostLFC, on 08 December 2014 - 05:22 PM, said:

Fox News host expresses agreement that minorities need to be trained to be more sensitive to police.



It reads like a story from The Onion.

I think they are "sensitive" above the collar of the vest... Oh. Wait, that isn't what they meant.
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Posted 09 December 2014 - 12:15 PM

I thought Seattle was pretty progressive, but clearly it rely doesn't matter:

http://www.lawyersgu...police-violence

For additional irony, the injury she suffered us what Wilson and various RWNJ sources claimed Wlison suffered in fighting with Micael Brown. You know, the slight redness around his face...
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Posted 10 December 2014 - 02:51 PM

Bad behavior? You be the judge. Chicago PD cars out in force, driving through a "Black Matters" protest (peaceful) and blasting "Sweet Home, Alabama" as they roll.


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Posted 10 December 2014 - 03:39 PM

View PostPractical Girl, on 10 December 2014 - 02:51 PM, said:

Bad behavior?

Race baiting at its finest.

Can you imagine just how outraged this asshole would be if a car drove slowly by a memorial for a slain officer while blaring "Body Count" ("Cop Killer")? This guy is one sick mofo.
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Posted 10 December 2014 - 04:25 PM

View PostLFC, on 10 December 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:



Race baiting at its finest.

Can you imagine just how outraged this asshole would be if a car drove slowly by a memorial for a slain officer while blaring "Body Count" ("Cop Killer")? This guy is one sick mofo.

I'd love to have the phone phreak savvy to have an un-traceable call to him every night just play that....
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Posted 10 December 2014 - 05:28 PM

View PostPractical Girl, on 10 December 2014 - 02:51 PM, said:

Bad behavior? You be the judge. Chicago PD cars out in force, driving through a "Black Matters" protest (peaceful) and blasting "Sweet Home, Alabama" as they roll.


https://www.youtube....h?v=snviTYMXn7I

These "people" are just sick. Sad twisted f***s.
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Posted 10 December 2014 - 06:16 PM

Nice slam-fest going in the comments under the video. lol

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Posted 10 December 2014 - 06:27 PM

Oh lord, DSP- Youtube commentary is the lowest of the lowest info folks on the planet, when it comes to sociopolitical situations. Music? Often a different story.
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Posted 10 December 2014 - 06:51 PM

Great citation source DSP! :lol: :lol: :lol:
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

— Carl Sagan


Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
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Posted 10 December 2014 - 07:54 PM

View PostAnBr, on 10 December 2014 - 06:51 PM, said:

Great citation source DSP! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I posted because I thought the exchange was amusing and illustrative of how the same points (more or less) get reused over and over in these debates no matter the venue.

I didn't post to endorse any particular comment under the video. Is there are particular number that was used you feel is wildly off base? Let me know which one, and I'll try to find time to check the primary sources.

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Posted 10 December 2014 - 07:55 PM

I don't see much difference in principle between liberals and conservatives in most of these race debate. Regarding police brutality issues, practically all conservatives talk about is black crime as if other things like poverty, education, jobs, criminal justice disparities and historical bias have no place in the debate. On the other hand, I don't see any evidence myself liberals want to acknowledge the role black crime plays in constantly bringing blacks into conflict with the police. Liberals focus on everything that legitimately matters except that.

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Posted 10 December 2014 - 08:22 PM

View Postdsp, on 10 December 2014 - 07:55 PM, said:

I don't see much difference in principle between liberals and conservatives in most of these race debate. Regarding police brutality issues, practically all conservatives talk about is black crime as if other things like poverty, education, jobs, criminal justice disparities and historical bias have no place in the debate. On the other hand, I don't see any evidence myself liberals want to acknowledge the role black crime plays in constantly bringing blacks into conflict with the police. Liberals focus on everything that legitimately matters except that.

Most of the socalled crime the blacks commit are drug related. Go to any frat house in the nation on Friday night and call me when the cops show up and bust the white boys for coke and weed.
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Posted 12 December 2014 - 11:24 AM

Gotta' love Apologetics ™. So black on black crime is a bigger problem than white on black crime, so it's no big deal that an officer of the law was intentionally race baiting peaceful protesters. All I can say to folks like that is...

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 03:29 PM

Wow. Here's another one for the "police overreaction" files. This officer tackles and Tases a 76-year old man over an expired inspection sticker. In addition to this guy completely going over the top, the car has a dealer plate which doesn't require and up to date inspection sticker.

Fire ... his ... ass.
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Posted 15 December 2014 - 03:34 PM

View PostLFC, on 15 December 2014 - 03:29 PM, said:

Wow. Here's another one for the "police overreaction" files. This officer tackles and Tases a 76-year old man over an expired inspection sticker. In addition to this guy completely going over the top, the car has a dealer plate which doesn't require and up to date inspection sticker.

Fire ... his ... ass.

Tase him first, can't be too careful how he might react to the firing...
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Posted 15 December 2014 - 03:42 PM

View PostProgressive whisperer, on 15 December 2014 - 03:34 PM, said:

Tase him first, can't be too careful how he might react to the firing...

Well, it's Texas. What did you expect?
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Posted 15 December 2014 - 04:42 PM

Here's a good piece from Vox on how it SHOULD be done. It appears Richmond, CA has done quite a bit to keep its citizens safe and treated fairly while simultaneously protecting its officers.
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Posted 15 December 2014 - 06:26 PM

Hey, I wonder if ignorance of the law is an excuse after all!





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