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Posted 01 July 2020 - 10:05 PM

Even this park ranger is out of control as he basically murdered somebody for speeding.
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Posted 02 July 2020 - 07:07 AM

 LFC, on 01 July 2020 - 10:05 PM, said:

Even this park ranger is out of control as he basically murdered somebody for speeding.
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Posted 07 July 2020 - 04:18 PM

Department after department keeps making the case that they must be pinned down and have a knee put on their necks. In Norman, OK they doxxed a councilwoman they didn't like with horrible consequences for their neighbor. Reckless, irresponsible, vengeful, and above the law is not what we need. Time for real accountability.

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A city council member in Norman, Oklahoma, proposed a police budget cut. Then officers for that department posted her address online. Days later, a woman who lived in the other half of her duplex was raped by an assailant who allegedly made a political threat.

The attack was a case of retaliation and mistaken identity, the council member alleges.

Alexandra Scott, a Norman council member who won the Democratic nomination for her state Senate seat last month, is an outspoken critic of her city’s police force. When racial justice protests swept the nation in June, Scott proposed slashing the Norman Police budget by $4.5 million. During a city council meeting about defunding, she also discussed a stalking incident she experienced, which she said police handled improperly. Now a pair of Norman Police officers are under investigation for allegedly posting Scott’s personal information online, which Scott says may have led to the sexual assault of her neighbor.

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Posted 15 July 2020 - 04:52 PM

Thing are looking worse for Minneapolis murderers who killed George Floyd.

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Body-worn camera footage from former Minneapolis police officer Thomas Lane, who is charged in the killing George Floyd, showed that Floyd was given no explanation for why he was being questioned before Lane pointed a gun at him, swore at him, physically touched him multiple times, and forced him out of his vehicle into the street.The courts made footage captured by Lane and former colleague J. Alexander Kueng publicly viewable Wednesday by appointment. Sixty-six spaces were made available at one-hour increments to watch the videos that totaled about an hour and four minutes long…

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Posted 15 July 2020 - 05:03 PM

Despite the Trump administration and general Republican screeching about antifa it turns out police knew the main worry was right-wing violence.

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As protest movements rose across the U.S. in the wake of the police killing of George Floyd, President Trump and various right-wing media factions took the unrest that coincided with the protests and used it to create a narrative claiming that it was fueled by left-wing groups such as “antifa.”

But as pro-Trump voices spread that message, newly-leaked documents reveal that law enforcement on the ground knew the most urgent threat of violence was coming from a different source, namely far-right extremists seeking to attack the protesters and police.

“Among the steady stream of threats from the far-right were repeated encounters between law enforcement and heavily armed adherents of the so-called boogaloo movement, which welcomes armed confrontation with cops as means to trigger civil war,” The Intercept’s Ryan Devereaux reports. “With much of the U.S. policing apparatus on the hunt for antifa instigators, those violent aspirations appear to have materialized in a string of targeted attacks in California that left a federal protective services officer and a sheriff’s deputy dead and several other law enforcement officials wounded.”

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Posted 15 July 2020 - 05:26 PM

If this is reported correctly then a homeless man who was doing nothing wrong pushed away the hand of a police officer who would have been making inappropriate physical contact. The officer then punched him twice in the face. Now he's whining that his hand hurts and the man he assaulted is being brought up on charges. Welcome to the NYPD.

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Body cam video shows a New York City police officer punching and dragging a homeless man off a subway train in May. But according to The City, Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance is charging the homeless man with felony assault for allegedly slapping the officer’s hand away while the cop tried to cuff him.

“Joseph T., 30, who asked that his last name not be used because he fears retaliation, left a Manhattan homeless shelter with his belongings in a few tote bags. He got tired of waiting for a bed, huddled with others in the entrance area, he said,” The City reports. “It was around 12:30 a.m. on May 25, according to a criminal complaint, when police approached Joseph because, Officer Shimul Saha said, he was ‘occupying more than one seat’ on the near-empty No. 6 train. Joseph left the car and moved to the next one.”

Joseph protested that he couldn’t be arrested for simply not wanting to get off the train.

That’s when Officer Adonis Long reaches out to grab Joseph, prompting him to bat the officer’s hand away. Long then punched Joseph twice in the face and dragged him off the train, knocking off his glasses in the process. Later in the video as Joseph cries and pleads for Long to stop, the officer sprays him with pepper spray.

“I’m having a panic attack, please,” he says, cuffed on the floor of the station. He then calls out for his older brother, who was not there.

According to prosecutors, Joseph’s actions warrant the felony charges, which could send him to prison for 7 years.

In a criminal complaint, Officer Saha says Long told him that he “sustained swelling and substantial pain to the knuckles of his right hand and was transported to the hospital.”

“He informs me that because of the swelling he is unable to open and close his hand without experiencing pain,” Saha said.

The Legal Aid Society, which represents Joseph, is calling for the charges against him to be dropped and the officers involved to be fired.

“The brutal attack on Joseph by these officers is both unconscionable and completely indefensible,” said attorney Edda Ness.

“It’s equally shocking that the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office, despite seeing this video, chose to bump up the charges against our client. We are calling on them to dismiss these charges immediately in the interest of justice,” Ness added.

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Posted 16 July 2020 - 12:40 PM

We discussed the infiltration of law enforcement by white supremacists here at TRS before. In Philadelphia we now have video proof. The lawless, unaccountable strongman style of policing promoted by Frank Rizzo is alive and well here even if it's not in full control.

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When the president of Philadelphia’s police union disavowed a far-right group whose members were photographed at a union party this weekend, it was at least the third time in recent weeks that local cops had been accused of cozying up with violent groups on the fringe.

Members of the Proud Boys, an ultranationalist group that frequently mingles with white supremacists, were hard to miss when they showed up for a party at the Philadelphia Fraternal Order of Police headquarters Thursday night. Members of the group wore their trademark black and yellow uniforms, with at least one carrying a giant Proud Boys flag outside the union headquarters for a “Back the Blue” event after a speech by Vice President Mike Pence.

Approximately 10 uniformed Proud Boys showed up and chanted “all lives matter” at protesters, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported. Some entered the union hall for an afterparty following Pence’s speech. Police officers even spoke to members of the group, reportedly asking them if they were alright when they surrounded Inquirer reporters.

In a statement this weekend, the police union’s president denounced the Proud Boys and said—to some local reporters’ and activists’ skepticism—that police hadn’t noticed the group.

“We have recently been informed that members of the Proud Boys were present outside the FOP headquarters this week following a visit by the Vice President,” John McNesby wrote in a statement. “If we were aware of their presence, we would have immediately escorted them off our property. At no time were these individuals allowed inside of our building. Philadelphia police officers, FOP leadership, and members condemn their hateful and discriminatory speech in any form.”

But even the Proud Boys called elements of McNesby’s statement into question. In a public chat channel, the group posted a picture of what appeared to be the bar inside the FOP headquarters. On Twitter, the group claimed to have spent $1,000 at the headquarters that night. (Reached for comment, the group described McNesby’s statement as “pretty clear[ly]” inaccurate, but declined to elaborate or provide receipts supporting the $1,000 tab.) The group accused McNesby of “throw[ing] his supporters under the bus.”

McNesby did not return The Daily Beast’s request for comment; an FOP representative who declined to comment said the president was on vacation.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 16 July 2020 - 03:40 PM

Posted on another thread, but sure in keeping with Phillys legacy of racist cops.
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Posted 16 July 2020 - 03:52 PM

View PostTraveler, on 16 July 2020 - 03:40 PM, said:


Way back in the day when local police could use radar for speed traps I remember reading that they were pulling over black drivers more often. That's when I heard the "playful" term "Rizzo Radar." The racism was baked right in and they were damn proud of it.
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Posted 24 July 2020 - 09:12 AM

Portland is starting to move towards a model Eugene, OR has been using successfully for years.

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The Portland City Council passed a budget last week cutting at least $15 million from the police bureau, according to local news outlets, following weeks of protesters’ cries to “defund the police.” The budget for the upcoming fiscal year also includes $4.8 million in funding for Portland Street Response, a program proposed as an alternative to policing.

The pilot program was born out of research and advocacy by Street Roots, a local newspaper that works with the houseless community, which led to a pilot proposal from Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty's office in 2019.

The proposal cited the City of Eugene’s Crisis Assistance Helping Out On The Street (CAHOOTS) program, a crisis intervention team dispatched through the Eugene police-fire-ambulance communications center.

This is how well it's worked to both send out the proper people, instead of police, as well as unjam the 911 call center.

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Ebony Morgan, a crisis worker with CAHOOTS, told Minnesota Public Radio (MPR) the organization responded to 24,000 calls last year, adding up to roughly 20 percent of all calls that went to the police. In less than 1 percent of those calls, CAHOOTS requested backup from the police.

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Posted 24 July 2020 - 12:24 PM

While Camden was the first example that seemed to come up for successful large-scale changes in the use of police others have been showing up in the news. Here's another in Olympia, WA.

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On a rainy June day, the manager of a Motel 6 outside Olympia decided one guest had to leave. The woman had been smoking indoors and had an unauthorized visitor. She appeared to be on drugs and was acting erratically.

Normally, that manager might call 911, which would bring police officers to the scene. If the guest refused to leave, the cops might handcuff and arrest her for trespassing. They could find an open warrant on her record or drugs in her room. The interaction could easily escalate into violence, especially if the woman grew angry over facing jail time or another night on the streets. It’s the kind of low-level, “quality of life” call that takes up much of an officer’s day.

But over a year ago, Olympia started taking a different approach to nonviolent incidents caused by someone experiencing mental illness, addiction, or homelessness. Instead of sending armed officers to respond, the city dispatches “crisis responders” to diffuse the situation and connect the individual with services—a model now being considered by a growing number of cities across the U.S.

That day, instead of a police officer, the woman had two “crisis responders” knocking on her door, carrying only a radio and a backpack of clean clothes.

Inside her hotel room with the door ajar, the petite, 30-something blonde woman rocked back and forth, climbed over the bed, and started scribbling furiously in a notebook. “You’d be fucking mad too if someone came and said they were kicking you out because you had a visitor for 15 minutes,” she told them.

One of the crisis responders, Christopher Jones, wearing skinny black jeans and Dr. Marten’s boots, stayed calm. “The best case scenario, I call the manager and they say OK, I can get you another night,” he said. “The worst case scenario, you can come with us and I can see if we can get you a bed at the Salvation Army.” He promised a case worker would meet with the woman the next day.

She agreed, and the team planned to return later that morning to drive her downtown.


You can handle situations like this without kicking the shit out of somebody? Who knew? Nobody knew!
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Posted 24 July 2020 - 06:30 PM

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Posted 25 July 2020 - 09:45 AM

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Posted 25 July 2020 - 10:19 AM

But where does the money for all that come from? Not from a slice of the police budget.

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Posted 25 July 2020 - 11:18 AM

I'll propose one way to thin the unnecessary police ranks and seriously reduce community stress:

In each district (ward, whatever) in a city, the council member for that district keeps a police blacklist. Police on that list -- developed in consultation with the citizens and records of complaints, review board information, etc. -- are blacklisted from that district. Dispatch won't send them, and their GPS records will dock their pay automatically for any time spent there. All the trigger-happy white supremacists can get their jollies in the white-bread parts of town.

If the Department can't find a place for them, of course, they can either ride a desk or leave.
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Posted 25 July 2020 - 03:38 PM

 JackD, on 25 July 2020 - 10:19 AM, said:

But where does the money for all that come from? Not from a slice of the police budget.

True. This points out an unfortunate fact of American life...no willingness to spend money to actually alleviate or fix a problem at its source. It's cheaper to ignore mental health issues and just have the police deal with them when the sufferers create some sort of disturbance. Let the correctional system figure it out from there.

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Posted 25 July 2020 - 04:22 PM

Cheaper except in the sense of the continuing misery of so many people and mental health issues are more symptom than cause. What the protesters are really talking about is fundamental: income fairness, healthcare, housing, employment opportunity, educational fairness. That's so much more than the police budget!

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Posted 25 July 2020 - 05:14 PM

 JackD, on 25 July 2020 - 04:22 PM, said:

Cheaper except in the sense of the continuing misery of so many people and mental health issues are more symptom than cause.

Which is, on balance, the most expensive approach even if you ignore the preventable human suffering.

The only way to make the books balance on this is if you assign a positive net value to human suffering.
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Posted 26 July 2020 - 10:20 AM

A heavily armed black militia group marched in Kentucky over the fact that no officers have been arrested over Breonna Taylor's murder. Unfortunately some idiot did something stupid and negligently (NOT accidentally) discharged a round which hurt several people.

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Shots rang out in Louisville, Kentucky on Saturday as hundreds of members of heavily armed militia groups converged on the city for a protest against police brutality.

Louisville police confirmed three people were injured when a gun discharged as members of the “Not Fucking Around Coalition,” an all-Black militia, gathered in Baxter Park shortly before 1 p.m.

A spokesperson for the police department described the shooting to The Daily Beast as “negligent” and said there were “no charges at this time” and no outstanding suspects.

The victims, all of whom were members of the NFAC, were transferred to the University of Louisville Hospital with non-life-threatening injuries, police said.

The NFAC’s founder, Atlanta-based rapper and DJ John “Jay” Johnson, said in a YouTube video that the march was a response to the death of Breonna Taylor, a 26-year-old Black woman who was fatally shot by Louisville Metro Police Department officers serving a no-knock warrant on her apartment in March. Her death and those of other Black Americans sparked widespread protests this summer over racism and police violence.


Guess where the 3-Percenters showed up. They were at Charlottesville too. This is nothing more than a racist gun nut group. Their "oath" to uphold the Constitution is pure fantasy bullshit designed to make them feel important.

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The “Three Percenter” far-right militia group also called on members to be present on Saturday to act as an ad-hoc security force during the rally, sparking fear among residents of clashes between the two militias.

The group is known for its support of gun rights and opposition to government “tyranny,” and for its presence at white supremacist rallies like Unite the Right in Charlottesville. A Kentucky-based Three Percenter group held a rally in May, over gun rights, where they hung an effigy of Gov. Andy Beshear from a tree with a noose.


BTW the Cracker Brigade was seriously outnumbered.

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About 500 NFAC members—some from as far away as Oregon—answered the call, according to reporters on the ground, gathering in Baxter Park Saturday morning before marching to Jefferson Square Park.

Dozens of Three Percenters also showed up in camouflage and carrying guns. They had a noticeably smaller turnout, with some participants referring to them as the One Percenters because of their small show of force.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 26 July 2020 - 10:26 AM

About 500 NFAC members—some from as far away as Oregon—answered the call, according to reporters on the ground, gathering in Baxter Park Saturday morning before marching to Jefferson Square Park.

Dozens of Three Percenters also showed up in camouflage and carrying guns. They had a noticeably smaller turnout, with some participants referring to them as the One Percenters because of their small show of force


Can I get an over/under on how soon some gun control will be proposed so those "others" have a hard time getting weapons ?

"Negligently": police speak for dumb ass had the safety off and their finger on the trigger. In other words: moron.
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"I can't go out because of the virus" sounds whiny and boring. I'm going with: "I've sworn an oath of solitude until the pestilence is purged from the lands." sounds more valiant and heroic. As a bonus, people might think you're carrying a sword.

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Its theorized if you put enough monkeys together with typewriters, eventually they'll write Shakespeare. But first, they write Trump speeches.

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