

Police Behaving Badly and What to Do About It
#1
Posted 02 December 2014 - 01:27 PM
Sullivan also posted a piece called The Case for Police Reform Remains Strong which lays out some remedies.
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#2
Posted 02 December 2014 - 01:37 PM
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"And I still need to know what I am being charged for."
"You're fixing to be charged for failure to ID, is what you're fixing to be charged for."
"Sir, I don't have to provide you with an ID, unless I'm being charged with something. I have done nothing wrong."
"Where did you go to law school?"
"I don't have to answer that. I plead the fifth."
"You know, what if I shoot you and take you to jail for failure to ID?"
"Sir, unless you are charging me with something, I do not have to provide you with an ID... Sir you know the law..."
Any police officer making terroristic threats should be immediately suspended. If investigated and found guilty (tough not to since he's on tape saying it) he should be immediately fired, have to forfeit all benefits, and be charged with a felony.
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#3
Posted 02 December 2014 - 01:57 PM
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“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
— Carl Sagan
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— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe
“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”
— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937
#4
Posted 02 December 2014 - 02:27 PM
Another reason for donning wearable video recording devices.
@AnBr - Strongly agree. Cops have acted with impunity for so long that now they are at a loss their behavior is getting some scrutiny (not nearly enough).
#5
Posted 02 December 2014 - 02:47 PM
— Fran Lebowitz
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
— Carl Sagan
Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8
"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.”
— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe
“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”
— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937
#6
Posted 02 December 2014 - 03:56 PM

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#7
Posted 02 December 2014 - 04:04 PM
GOP delenda est.
Resist!
#8
Posted 02 December 2014 - 04:14 PM
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#9
Posted 02 December 2014 - 05:47 PM
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Police Chief Magazine similarly published findings that indicate that officers with bachelor of arts degrees performed on par with officers who had 10 years’ additional experience. And yet police departments have struggled to toughen up their educational requirements in part because recruiters are concerned that the relatively low pay offered by most entry-level law enforcement jobs would not be enough to attract college graduates.
An interesting comparison is made.
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"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."
"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer
""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer
#10
Posted 02 December 2014 - 05:53 PM
Practical Girl, on 02 December 2014 - 04:14 PM, said:
To be fair the guy heading the police officers union (forget his name) who was screaming about this the loudest was fired when he was a cop for falsifying reports. Something he should probably have been arrested for, but wasn't.
#11
Posted 02 December 2014 - 06:17 PM
indy, on 02 December 2014 - 05:53 PM, said:
Holy cow! This guy has quite the corrupt history as a police officer. Since he got booted he's also been a veritable fountain of support for police cover-ups.
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Roorda was later terminated for lying about interactions with other police officers after accusing them of threatening and abusing him. Roorda’s charges were disproved by audio tapes of the conversations provided to investigators by Roorda himself.
He then managed to get himself elected to the Missouri House of Representatives where he pulled this stunt:
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According to MissouriWatchdog.org, Roorda introduced an amendment that would ” prevent the public from obtaining ‘any records and documents pertaining to police shootings … if they contain the name of any officer who did the shooting’.” Under Roorda’s proposal, a police officer’s name would only be entered into the public record if they were charged with a crime. The proposal also extended to the names of police officers who were in involved in a shooting, regardless of whether the officer was on duty.
Not surprisingly, he's also against the use of police cameras.
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So why hasn't the news reported that a major figure in the St. Louis Police Officers Association is not just personally corrupt, but has defended corruption at every turn? Once again, so much for the bullshit "liberal media" meme.
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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer
#12
Posted 02 December 2014 - 06:25 PM
GOP delenda est.
Resist!
#13
Posted 07 December 2014 - 04:45 PM
LFC, on 02 December 2014 - 05:47 PM, said:
We want men and women in law enforcement who treat their jobs as police officers, as what they are: some of the most important jobs in our country that carry a great responsibility. Yet we pay them on par with postal workers.
Could be worse -- they might be paid like teachers.
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#15
Posted 07 December 2014 - 11:19 PM
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Above all else, this.
— Fran Lebowitz
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
— Carl Sagan
Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8
"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.”
— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe
“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”
— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937
#16
Posted 08 December 2014 - 11:34 AM
Here's the video starting around the point where he lunged into the car and threw the punch.
https://www.youtube....rvV5ZzIxg#t=160
And here's what she ended up looking like. (A medical examination found that the officer sustained "no obvious injury".)

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."
"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer
""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer
#17
Posted 08 December 2014 - 12:11 PM
— Fran Lebowitz
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
— Carl Sagan
Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8
"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.”
— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe
“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”
— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937
#19
Posted 08 December 2014 - 01:09 PM
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"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."
"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer
""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer
#20
Posted 08 December 2014 - 05:22 PM
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She then read a response she received from one viewer: "No enough is enough," the viewer wrote. "The general public needs to be trained to be more sensitive to the police and show them the respect they deserve."
Pirro responded to the viewer simply: "I agree."
It reads like a story from The Onion.
"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."
"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer
""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer
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