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Posted 30 May 2017 - 02:31 PM

The states seem to be preparing for Jeff Sessions. Good!

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After an initial period of postelection anxiety, pot businesses are increasingly confident that states where they are setting up shop have their backs, despite Justice Department warnings meant to rattle marijuana enthusiasts.

State leaders are proving themselves nimble at responding to the threat, moving to inoculate local marijuana industries that are fast becoming too important to state economies to leave vulnerable to the whims of Washington.

And they are moving not just in the places where it is politically easy, such as California. Even some Republican states are signaling Trump to back off.

"We are seeing states have become very territorial about their rights to do this, regardless of what the Trump administration does," said John Hudak, a marijuana policy expert at the Brookings Institution. He points to Nevada, where Republican Gov. Brian Sandoval opposed the state's successful legalization initiative but is nonetheless vowing to move forward with recreational pot there.

"This is someone who easily could have said, 'No, let's wait and see what Trump does,' " Hudak said. "But he is not doing that."

Some of the more than 200 marijuana entrepreneurs who walked the halls of the Capitol this month during the industry's annual lobby day — an event that has grown exponentially in size — were surprised by how many Republican congressional offices were eager to engage.

"People here are treating this more seriously," said Morgan Paxhia, a San Francisco marijuana investor who was among those lobbying.

Trump's intentions on pot are unclear. The White House has warned that recreational pot businesses could be subject to federal enforcement actions. Trump tacked a signing message onto the budget he recently signed that indicates he may not honor its prohibition on busting medical pot businesses operating legally under state laws. Attorney General Jeff Sessions is an old-school drug warrior eager to restore some of the zero-tolerance tactics that haven't been part of the federal playbook for years.

But states say they can't afford to wait to see how federal policy plays out.

"You have to have blinders on to not understand how large this industry can become," said California Treasurer John Chiang. He has been taking a lead in the state's efforts to move the industry into legitimacy, holding lengthy hearings aimed at helping banks step around the federal rules that make them reluctant to work with pot firms.

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Posted 27 June 2017 - 02:57 PM

Canada's legalization process is facing a serious short-term problem. The horror. The horror.

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A lot of complications arise with legalizing recreational marijuana, but for Canada, the country's biggest challenge is growing enough weed to satisfy demand. The country’s minister of finance, Charles Sousa, said that the country is currently navigating how to deal with the shortage, reports Bloomberg.

“Ultimately the biggest problem that appears after today’s discussion is one of supply,” Sousa said to the news outlet last week following a meeting to discuss the problem. “So we want to make certain that, when we do proceed, there is sufficient supply to accommodate the activity because what we’re trying to do is curb the illicit use and organized crime that now exists around it.”

The news organization reports that Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau released his plan for legalizing pot in April, which placed the responsibility of sale and distribution on the country’s provinces. The original idea was that recreational weed could be sold through mail by July 2018. Bloomberg reports the sale of recreational and medical weed could reach 575,000 kilograms by 2021.

The Canadian government worries that the inability to meet demand will keep the black market alive. Some think the shortage will also delay legalizing weed for pleasure.

“There will be a shortage initially,” PI Financial analyst Jason Zandberg told Bloomberg. “My concerns are that if that is used as an excuse to push the date of recreational legalization back, there’s a danger that it slips into the next election cycle and doesn’t actually happen.”

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 27 June 2017 - 07:55 PM

As I have mentioned before, we have more licensed cannabis stores in the state of Oregon that either McDonald's or Starbucks. Our federal representatives have been trying to be the tip of the resistance to AG Sessions, in the event he starts pushing back.
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Posted 28 June 2017 - 02:36 AM

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 08:52 AM

View Postpnwguy, on 27 June 2017 - 07:55 PM, said:

As I have mentioned before, we have more licensed cannabis stores in the state of Oregon that either McDonald's or Starbucks.

To be fair consuming marijuana is healthier than consuming McDonald's or those Starbucks "coffee" drinks, i.e. milk shakes with a coffee shot.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 12:15 PM

View PostLFC, on 22 May 2017 - 12:08 PM, said:

Nevada, who knows how to regulate and tax vice, put the pedal to the metal since the vote and will be ready for recreational marijuana sales in record time.

Looks like Nevada will hit the July 1 date for recreational sales.

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The state of Nevada voted on November 8 in favor of legalizing weed for recreational use, and the law comes into effect on July 1. Existing medical cannabis dispensaries will be permitted to sell their stock for recreational use if it meets the labeling requirements.

“Everything we know shows that millennials are very pro-marijuana, and that’s the new marketing push,” Nevada state Senator Tick Segerblom, a cannabis advocate, told the Las Vegas Sun.

“This is a game-changer for Las Vegas and tourism here as far as I’m concerned,” he said, adding the city will be like “Amsterdam on steroids.”

A total of 37 dispensaries in Las Vegas Valley were granted early licenses to begin selling cannabis for recreational use starting this weekend, and the owner of one told the Sun he is excited about the new development.

“It’s a historic moment, and I think the growth will be both immediate and gradual,” Armen Yemenidjian, the owner of Essence Medical Dispensary, said. “We’re ready to go and very excited.”

They say that what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. They didn't mention anything about what's purchased there.
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Posted 12 July 2017 - 04:22 PM

How many states do you think are looking veeerrrrry closely at these results? There's certainly an advantage to being an early adopter but I suspect there's still plenty of money to be made by other states.

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The K-12 school in Deer Trail, Colorado, is in rot. The swimming pool is in such grave shape that students can’t use it anymore. People in wheelchairs have to be lifted up stairs. A sewage leak has closed the coach’s locker room. Even basic security is a problem, as the doors are so out of shape that they can be difficult to close and lock.

All of this, detailed in a report in the Denver Post, may soon come to an end. Thanks to an infusion of state cash, the small town is finally building a new school. And here’s the kicker: Some of the money funding the school is coming from Colorado’s excise tax for marijuana.

That’s right: Marijuana legalization is helping build new schools in Colorado.

It’s not just Deer Trail. As part of the state’s legalization plan, Colorado allocates $40 million in marijuana tax money into the state’s Building Excellent Schools Today (BEST) program every year. The money then goes to building new schools or improving them.

BEST is expected to fund nearly $300 million in school projects over the 2017-2018 fiscal year, of which about $40 million will come from the state’s marijuana excise tax.

The money has led even some people skeptical of legalization to accept some of its benefits. So far, not a single school district has rejected the funding.

“I don’t care where the money comes from. If we get a new school, I’m for it,” Hayley Whitehead, a Deer Trail graduate who works for the school district, told the Denver Post. “I see the invoices and see what we need for repairs, so I have a pretty good idea of the situation here.”

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 04:36 PM

The next GOP legislature will fix that, if not by ending legalized MJ then by using the cash for a bigger tax break for the 1%.

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 10:07 PM

View PostLFC, on 12 July 2017 - 04:22 PM, said:

There's certainly an advantage to being an early adopter but I suspect there's still plenty of money to be made by other states.

Even if not a big money maker at least it would stop making pot law enforcement a revenue drain.
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Posted 19 July 2017 - 04:47 PM

New Hampshire decriminalizes small quantities of marijuana.

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Getting caught with any amount of marijuana in New Hampshire could have landed offenders in jail for up to a year. But after state Governor Chris Sununu, a Republican, signed a bill decriminalizing certain amounts of cannabis, first- and second-time offenders will only be subjected to a $100 fine.

Republicans and Democrats in the state legislature approved a measure that called for people in possession of up to three-fourths of an ounce of marijuana and five grams of hashish to be cited with a violation instead of misdemeanor charges. The bill passed with majority support in both houses in May and June. On Tuesday, Sununu signed the bill, which allows anyone older than 18 to be punished with a fine of $100 for a first and second marijuana offense and up to $300 for any futher offense over a three-year period.

Only after a fourth offense would violators be subjected to a Class B misdemeanor charge under the new bill, while those under 18 years old caught with less than the legislation's defined amounts of pot or hashish would be subjected to a mere delinquency petition.

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Posted 24 July 2017 - 01:06 PM

With A.G. Beauregard in place this issue is becoming more political by the day.

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A new Department of Justice report on violent crime and marijuana will pave the way for the Trump administration to crack down on the drug, campaigners and lawmakers say.

The Trump administration’s Task Force on Crime Reduction and Public Safety, led by Sessions, is next week to release a report that critics fear will link marijuana use to violent crime and advocate tougher sentences for those producing, selling and using the drug.


Maybe this is part of the new Democratic strategy of clearly standing up for what they represent.

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Democrat Senator Brian Schatz, linking to a report on the crackdown, described the plans as "backward and inhumane” in a tweet on Sunday.

“I hope every third-party voting progressive remembers this. There's a real difference between R's and D’s.”

He said that Sessions would reverse eight years of progress towards a “more humane, less expensive, more just system” by ramping up punishment for marijuana users.

Certainly some Republicans back legalization but that shouldn't stop Dems from tarring them with the current position of the leader of their party.
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Posted 24 July 2017 - 01:42 PM

View PostLFC, on 24 July 2017 - 01:06 PM, said:

Certainly some Republicans back legalization but that shouldn't stop Dems from tarring them with the current position of the leader of their party.

As usual, they'll talk about favoring a more rational approach, but when it comes time to vote?
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Posted 27 July 2017 - 02:55 PM

Looks as though the Senate Appropriations Committee is not going to make it easier for JB to spend money on cracking down on medical marijuana in States where it is legal:

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 03:09 PM

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 04:21 PM

Sen Cory Booker (D-NJ) just proved that the "D" stands for "Duuuuude." He proposed a bill for the legalization of marijuana and in fact it encourages states to do so. Of course the Republicans won't even consider this since it would upset their Trumpsucking Evangelicals but it's a good step towards normalization.

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A new bill in the Senate would not just end the federal prohibition of marijuana, but encourage states to legalize pot as well.

The bill, proposed by Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) on Tuesday, would remove marijuana from the federal scheduling system, which is the basis for its federal criminalization. That isn’t new in the Senate; Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), for one, also put forward a bill that would deschedule marijuana back in 2015.

Where Booker’s bill goes further is it actively encourages states to legalize cannabis. Specifically, the bill leverages federal funds to incentivize legalization in states that have enforced laws against marijuana in a way that disproportionately impacts low-income people and people of color — a category that includes virtually every state. (A 2015 report from the Sentencing Project, for one, estimated that black Americans are 3.7 times as likely to be arrested for marijuana possession as their white counterparts, but only 1.3 times as likely to use pot.)

The measure addresses the two layers of prohibition. Under current federal law, pot remains illegal even in states that have legalized — creating big barriers to states that have legalized, including restrictions on business tax deductions and access to banking. But whether marijuana is legal, decriminalized, or illegal at the state or local level is decided through state or local law — meaning that a city or state could conceivably keep marijuana illegal even if the federal government removes all its own restrictions.

“This is the single most far-reaching marijuana bill that’s ever been filed in either chamber of Congress,” Tom Angell, head of the pro-legalization Marijuana Majority, said in a statement. “More than just getting the federal government out of the way so that states can legalize without DEA harassment, this new proposal goes even further by actually punishing states that have bad marijuana laws.”

The legislation would also be retroactive, so it would automatically expunge federal marijuana use and possession crimes from people’s records and let those currently serving time in prison for marijuana use or possession petition for resentencing. And it’d create “a community reinvestment fund” that Booker’s office said would go toward job training, reentry services, and community centers, among other programs.

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Posted 02 August 2017 - 07:03 PM

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 07:14 PM

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 11:19 AM

Can marijuana rescue coal country? This is about a marijuana grower in West Virginia.





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