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Posted 13 November 2016 - 07:32 PM

Definitely could have gone on the humor page but this seemed so appropriate.

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 04:27 PM

Trump was for the legalization of marijuana. Then he was for it being a state issue that the federal government shouldn't be involved in. And then he appointed Jeff Sessions to be Attorney General. Flip-flop.

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Especially when it comes to policy regarding marijuana, Sessions emulates Rip Van Winkle. He apparently went to sleep shortly after Richard Nixon declared a “war” on illegal drugs in 1971 and just recently awakened from his slumber. There is little evidence that Sessions understands what havoc the war on drugs has wrought both domestically and internationally since Nixon issued his declaration.

Instead, the attorney general regurgitates simplistic clichés right out of the 1970s and 1980s about marijuana use. “I don’t think America is going to be a better place when people of all ages, and particularly young people, are smoking pot,” Sessions told reporters on February 26, claiming that “we’re seeing real violence” around the trade. During a Senate hearing in 2016, he vehemently condemned pot use and wanted the federal government to send a message to the American people that “good people don’t smoke marijuana.” That statement ignored abundant evidence that millions of people from all walks of life use the drug either medically or recreationally. Chastising the Obama administration for a supposedly lax stance on the issue, Sessions asserted that “we need grown-ups in Washington to say marijuana is not the kind of thing that ought to be legalized.”

Amazingly, he has escalated such inflammatory and bizarre rhetoric. Speaking at a gathering in Richmond, Virginia on March 15, Sessions equated marijuana use to heroin addiction. Either one, he contended, was a “life-wrecking dependency,” adding that marijuana was “only slightly less awful.” He
reserved special contempt for those who argue (with growing evidence) that marijuana has been useful in weaning opiate addicts off of those harder drugs.

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Unfortunately, Sessions’ retrograde views are apparently already having a poisonous influence on the Trump administration. During the campaign, Trump on several occasions promised to “leave it up to the states” regarding marijuana. That certainly implied a respect for the laws of states that had legalized even recreational marijuana. Now, however, there are signs the administration is retreating from that position. Press spokesman Sean Spicer recently stated that states that have legalized recreational marijuana will see not just enforcement, but “greater enforcement” of federal prohibition laws, and that the Justice Department (i.e., Sessions) would make the decisions about appropriate steps.

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 05:32 PM

One might think Trump is a blank page upon which forceful people can write their forceful opinions.

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 08:51 AM

View Postgolden_valley, on 17 March 2017 - 05:32 PM, said:

One might think Trump is a blank page upon which forceful people can write their forceful opinions.

Alternately, he's too lazy to deal with anything longer than a sound bite, so when someone starts to talk to him about some Trumpian idea, he basically waves it off and tells him to do it his way rather than follow his own notion out to the consequences.
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 02:26 PM

Or- this is so beyond Federal control that any Federalist has to just...Let go.
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 04:22 PM

Last Saturday I went to a film festival here in Seattle. One of the shorts that was shown was an episode of this series. According to the filmmaker (who's also a grower) who answered questions about the film last week, it's kind of on the margin between fiction and documentary: "some of the people in this business don't want to be identified on camera."

This is a topic I don't have any personal involvement in, but the attitude of Sessions et al. is pretty ridiculous. Thought that this series should be included in this thread.

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 04:59 PM

View Postbaw1064, on 18 March 2017 - 04:22 PM, said:

This is a topic I don't have any personal involvement in, but the attitude of Sessions et al. is pretty ridiculous.

You had me for a moment. It's going to be a long, long term.
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Posted 22 March 2017 - 04:47 PM

Illinois is starting its push forward for full legalization to help cover its ever mounting debt. Wouldn't it be ironic if states with big budget problems due to Republican economics were the next drivers of eventual nationally legalized marijuana?

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Illinois would legalize marijuana for recreational use by adults and tax it to raise at least $350 million a year for the cash-strapped state under legislation introduced on Wednesday.

Two Democratic lawmakers sponsoring the bills said the measures pending before the House and Senate would allow law enforcement to focus on other crimes and enable the state to create a system for regulating and taxing marijuana sales.

Adults aged 21 and older would be able to possess, grow, and purchase limited amounts of marijuana, under the legislation. Businesses cultivating, processing, testing and selling pot would be licensed and regulated by the state, which would also impose labeling requirements and marketing restrictions.

State Senator Heather Steans, one of the sponsors, said money would flow to licensed, taxpaying businesses instead of to criminals.

“It would generate hundreds of millions of dollars per year in new revenue for our state,” Steans said in a statement. “Prohibition is a financial hole in the ground, and we should stop throwing taxpayer dollars into it.”

The fifth-largest U.S. state is limping through a second straight fiscal year without a complete budget due to an ongoing impasse between its Republican governor and Democrats who control the legislature.

Illinois’ unpaid bills, a barometer of its deep financial problems, hit an all-time high of $12.8 billion last week.

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Posted 14 April 2017 - 02:50 PM

The current Canadian government continues to move forward in trying to legalize recreational marijuana for the entire country. Interestingly they have to violate a treaty that they are signatories to in order to make it happen but they seem willing.

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Canada wants to legalize marijuana — and it may be willing to break international law to do it.

On Thursday, the ruling Liberal Party in the Canadian Parliament introduced a bill that would legalize marijuana for recreational purposes. It would be the first developed country in the world to fully legalize pot since the international war on drugs began in the 1970s.

The bill will set the minimum age for purchasing marijuana at 18, although provinces could raise the age within their borders. The federal government will handle licensing producers, while provincial governments will manage distribution and retail sales. And Canadians will be allowed to grow up to four marijuana plants per household and possess up to 30 grams per person. For the most part, the bill follows the recommendations made by a recent federal task force on marijuana legalization — although the bill could change as it works its way through Parliament.

None of this should seem too shocking in the US, where already eight states have legalized marijuana for recreational use and 28 have allowed cannabis for medicinal purposes. What sets Canada apart, though, is it’s doing this as a country. Currently, Uruguay is the only nation in the world that legally allows marijuana for recreational purposes.

This is an important distinction from state-by-state legalization because Canada, like the US, is part of international drug treaties that explicitly ban legalizing marijuana. And although activists have been pushing to change these treaties for years, they have failed so far — and that means Canada will be, in effect, in violation of international law when it moves to legalize. (The US argues it’s still in accordance with the treaties because, even though the federal government allows marijuana legalization to continue at the state level by taking a hands-off approach, federal law still technically prohibits cannabis.)

Still, the move is, according to advocates of legalization, long overdue. When Liberal Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s party was elected in 2015, one of the main promises he ran on was to legalize marijuana. But the process of actually beginning to legalize stalled as the government waited on the task force report on legalization, and finally put a bill together based on the recommendations.

“We will legalize, regulate, and restrict access to marijuana,” Trudeau’s Liberal Party declared on its campaign website. “Canada’s current system of marijuana prohibition does not work. It does not prevent young people from using marijuana and too many Canadians end up with criminal records for possessing small amounts of the drug.”

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 02:04 PM

Happy 420, everybody! Support for legalization continues to climb. Meanwhile Jeff "Throwback" Sessions still thinks it's a gateway drug (as compared to alcohol) despite the evidence for that being weak to nonexistent.

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A recent CBS News poll shows support for legalizing marijuana is higher than ever.

Sixty-one percent of Americans think marijuana use should be legal, a five-point increase from last year and the highest percentage ever recorded in this poll. Eighty-eight percent favor medical marijuana use.

Seventy-one percent oppose the federal government’s efforts to stop marijuana sales and its use in states that have legalized it, including opposition from most Republicans, Democrats, and independents.

Sixty-five percent think marijuana is less dangerous than most other drugs. And only 23 percent think legalizing marijuana leads to an increase violent crime.

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 02:43 PM

View PostLFC, on 20 April 2017 - 02:04 PM, said:

Happy 420, everybody! ... Meanwhile Jeff "Throwback" Sessions still thinks it's a gateway drug (as compared to alcohol) despite the evidence for that being weak to nonexistent.

Maybe he should consider MacDonald's fries a gateway drug to diabetes.


As for marijuana legalization, I'm not a user, and while I think it should be legal, truth be told, I don't care much either way. But I love to grow things, and I'm fond of money. Is it possible yet for me to grow and legally sell the stuff in California?
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