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Posted 18 December 2018 - 11:17 AM

North Carolina hits the gas on getting back into first place among the most corrupt state governments. Georgia, Texas, Wisconsin, and Michigan have really made their plays to reach that most corrupt position but NC just seems to fire on all cylinders. Of course we all know how this would have been played if it was a Democrat.

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North Carolina Republicans said Monday that they want their candidate in a still-undecided U.S. House race marred by ballot fraud allegations to take his seat in Congress despite acknowledging a replacement election may be required.

The state Republican Party and the 9th Congressional District GOP said the state elections board should immediately certify unofficial results showing Mark Harris with a narrow lead. The GOP groups said Harris should be sworn in in about two weeks if the elections board doesn’t show that voting irregularities would have changed the outcome.

“We understand the investigation — which we fully support — may need more time, but it is unfair to the voters and Dr. Harris not to present significant public evidence for review before the new Congress convenes. A delay is acceptable in the resolution but only if substantial public evidence is presented immediately to justify it,” the groups said in a statement.

North Carolina’s Republican Party chairman said last week that a new election in the unresolved congressional race should be ordered if a Bladen County precinct worker’s allegation that some early voting totals were improperly shared before Election Day is accurate. Providing such data to outsiders could help political campaigns with get-out-the-vote strategies.

“The people involved in this must be held accountable and, should it be true, this fact alone would likely require a new election,” state Republican Party Chairman Robin Hayes said.

Hayes’ comments came less than two weeks after he accused Democrats of “throwing everything, including the kitchen sink, at the wall to try and steal an election” in the 9th District. Harris leads Democrat Dan McCready by 905 votes in unofficial results.

Last week, the elections board postponed the meeting where it plans to go over the investigations into missing absentee ballots in Bladen County and whether unsealed ballots illegally handled by collection teams there could have been altered. The meeting is now scheduled for Jan. 11, eight days after Congress will convene for its next session.

Harris’ campaign and a firm working as its chief strategist have been ordered by the state elections board to provide records.

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Posted 18 December 2018 - 12:44 PM

View PostLFC, on 18 December 2018 - 11:17 AM, said:

Of course we all know how this would have been played if it was a Democrat.

Not exactly hypothetical -- Al Franken, anyone?
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Posted 18 December 2018 - 01:03 PM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 18 December 2018 - 12:44 PM, said:

Not exactly hypothetical -- Al Franken, anyone?

And he was held up even after a recount he had won. There's so much fraud in the NC election that they can't even perform a valid recount.
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Posted 18 December 2018 - 01:07 PM

The Wisconsin Lame Ducks (a.k.a. the Republicans about to lose the governorship) take another swing at voter suppression.

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The fight over restricting early voting in Wisconsin returned to federal court Monday, three days after Gov. Scott Walker signed into law a new limit passed during a lame-duck legislative session.

A coalition of liberal groups, with the support of former Democratic U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, asked a federal judge to block implementation of the early voting restrictions. The same judge in 2016 struck down a similar two-week early voting limitation as unconstitutional.

Attorneys for the groups argued that Republicans called the lame-duck session “as part of a partisan attempt to retain and regain power” and the early voting limitation was “in direct violation” of the court’s 2016 order.

Holder, in a statement, said Walker and Republicans showed a “blatant disregard for a previous court ruling and refusal to listen to the will of the people.” He called it “another shameful mark on the legacy of Scott Walker and his allies in the Legislature.”

Walker signed the new limits into law on Friday, just over three weeks before he is replaced by Democratic Gov.-elect Tony Evers who defeated him in November. Other bills Walker signed that passed during the lame-duck session would limit the powers of Evers and the incoming Democratic attorney general.

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Posted 22 December 2018 - 10:29 PM

More on North Carolina voter fraud. The Trump administration totally ignored it.

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North Carolina’s top elections official issued an urgent plea nearly two years ago for the Trump administration to file criminal charges against the man now at the center of ballot fraud allegations that have thrown a 2018 congressional race into turmoil.

N.C. Board of Elections Executive Director Kim Strach warned in a January 2017 letter first obtained by The Associated Press that those involved in illegally harvesting absentee ballots in rural Bladen County would likely do it again if they weren’t prosecuted.

Josh Lawson, the top lawyer for the elections board, said Friday that Strach’s memo was followed less than a month later with the first of several in-person meetings during which state investigators provided FBI agents and federal prosecutors with evidence accusing Leslie McCrae Dowless Jr. and others of criminal activity.

“Our findings to date suggest that individuals and potentially groups of individuals engaged in efforts to manipulate election results through the absentee ballot process,” Strach wrote in the letter, dated 10 days after President Donald Trump’s inauguration. “The evidence we have obtained suggest that these efforts may have taken place in the past and if not addressed will likely continue for future elections.”

At the time, there was only an acting U.S. attorney in office. Later in 2017, Trump’s appointee arrived, but took no action to prosecute the matter. Instead, he assigned his staff to focus on a different priority — prosecuting a handful of non-citizens who had allegedly voted.

A spokesman for Robert J. Higdon, Jr., who took over as the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of North Carolina in September 2017, has declined to comment on why no charges were filed following the state’s criminal referrals against Dowless and other Bladen County political operatives. Justice Department spokeswoman Kelly Laco in Washington also declined to comment on Friday.

Higdon’s office issued a media release in August of this year touting charges against 19 foreign nationals it said voted in North Carolina in the 2016 presidential election, during which more than 6.9 million ballots were cast in the state. The cases were filed in the wake of Trump’s false claim that he lost the 2016 popular vote to his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton because millions of illegal immigrants had cast ballots across the country.

But court filings reviewed by AP show several of the cases built by Higdon’s office were against longtime legal permanent residents or those who had been granted citizenship only to have authorities later determine they had been untruthful on their applications. At least four have pleaded guilty, with the only sentence meted out so far going against an Italian man who has lived legally in the United States since 1985. The judge in the case gave him a $200 fine and no prison time.

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Posted 02 January 2019 - 03:58 PM

Wisconsin Republicans are spending $850,000 in taxpayer money to defend their gerrymandering but refuse to tell the taxpayer's what the contract says and covers.

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Wisconsin taxpayers are funding a $850,000 legal contract to defend GOP-drawn legislative district maps, but they don’t know what it says.

Republican Assembly Speaker Robin Vos told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel this week that he won’t release the contact drawn up with Bartlit Beck, the Chicago-based firm the GOP-controlled assembly hired to help them with this work.

Vos’ spokesperson told the newspaper that the document was covered by attorney-client privilege. But transparency advocates countered that Vos’ decision violates Wisconsin’s open records law, and noted that the assembly has publicly released contracts with other firms handling redistricting work.

The maps at issue have allowed Republicans to control both houses of the state legislature since the lines were drawn in 2011. They were ruled unconstitutional by a panel of federal judges in 2015 because they were so favorable to the GOP, but the Supreme Court declined last June to take up the case.

Democrats who brought the suit have since added new plaintiffs, and a new trial before the panel is slated for April. Newly elected Democratic Attorney General Josh Kaul has pledged to defend the Republican-drawn maps on behalf of the state.

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Posted 02 January 2019 - 05:11 PM

Wisconsin Republicans, North Carolina Republicans, Michigan Republicans....

Might as well be Bonanno, Colombo, Gambino, Genovese, and Lucchese families. They are all different branches of the same general crime syndicate.
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Posted 03 January 2019 - 11:53 AM

Kansas Republicans burn up taxpayer dollars for their voter suppression efforts. Always better to get the people to pay for it, not the party.

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A county in western Kansas has paid more than $70,000 so far to a legal firm hired to defend an official who moved Dodge City’s only polling place to outside the iconic Wild West town ahead of the November election.

Ford County paid the Hinkle Law Firm $71,481 in October and November to defend County Clerk Debbie Cox, The Topeka Capital-Journal reported , based on a document it obtained through an open records request.

The American Civil Liberties Union sued Cox in late October after she moved Dodge City’s polling place, citing planned construction at the original site. The ACLU said the location, the Western State Bank Expo Center, a mile from the nearest bus stop was inconvenient for residents of the city, which has a population of 27,000 and is 60 percent Hispanic. Days before the midterm election, a federal judge rejected the ACLU’s effort to reopen the original site, but the lawsuit is continuing as the ALCU seeks to ensure Cox opens a second voting location in 2020.

Cox hired s attorney Bradley Schlozman, who is well-known in the legal community for defending states and towns accused of trying to restrict voting. She said money for his Wichita-based firm comes from the county’s general fund.

ACLU interim executive director Lauren Bonds noted the document obtained by the Capital-Journal shows fees only for October and November.

“Ford County Clerk Debbie Cox is using her constituents tax dollars to pay her lawyer rather than expand their access to voting,” Bonds said. “Cox has repeatedly argued that Ford County couldn’t afford to open additional polling locations, but it seems to us that $70,000 could easily cover the costs associated with additional poll workers and materials.”

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 12:44 PM

View PostLFC, on 03 January 2019 - 11:53 AM, said:

Kansas Republicans burn up taxpayer dollars for their voter suppression efforts. Always better to get the people to pay for it, not the party.
Bonanno, Colombo, Gambino, Genovese...

All that Dumpster did was trade one set of mob ties for another, when he joined the GOP.
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Posted 04 January 2019 - 12:46 PM

The Democrats are planting a stake in the ground; they own the voting rights issue. Republicans will, of course, fight voting rights tooth and nail. It's literally the primary plank of their future electoral strategy.

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A major legislative package of democracy reforms House Democrats will introduce on Friday is both a notable marker of the emphasis the new majority wants to put on voting rights and the beginning of the process by which Democrats hope to restore the Voting Rights Act, which the Supreme Court gutted in 2013.

According to a summary of the package sent to reporters, the bill — known as “We the People Democracy Reform Act” or HR1 — makes a congressional finding that the 2013 decision in Shelby County v. Holder led to a wave of voter suppression and instructs Congress to build a record upon the finding.

The House is expected to consider a separate bill that would restore the provision of the Voting Rights Act that the Supreme Court dismantled. That provision required states and localities with a history of racial voter discrimination to get election policy changes pre-approved by the federal government. The bill to address head on the Shelby County decision is moving on its own track, a House Democratic aide told TPM, so the House can build a record of the voter suppression that has happened since the decision came down. Such a public record, legal experts believe, will help protect a VRA fix, if passed, from court challenges conservatives may try to bring against it.

The “We the People” legislation Democratic leaders will be touting at a press conference Friday morning will not include that VRA fix. However, it includes several other provisions expanding the franchise that have been championed by voting rights activists, such as automatic voter registration, same day voter registration, mandated early voting, a requirement that states set up independent redistricting commissions to prevent gerrymander, and a campaign finance overhaul.

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