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#41
Posted 10 June 2014 - 10:45 AM

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."
"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer
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#42
Posted 10 June 2014 - 10:49 AM
I think coal is worth around 800K jobs in the US economy (about 40% of mining is coal and mining employment in the US is about 2 million jobs). There are already over 1/2 million Americans working in the solar panel business. The question, to me, is how to get the new jobs to the places where the old jobs were?
#43
Posted 10 June 2014 - 10:50 AM
#44
Posted 10 June 2014 - 11:40 AM
J-CA, on 10 June 2014 - 10:49 AM, said:
I think coal is worth around 800K jobs in the US economy (about 40% of mining is coal and mining employment in the US is about 2 million jobs). There are already over 1/2 million Americans working in the solar panel business. The question, to me, is how to get the new jobs to the places where the old jobs were?
Krugman recently pointed out that coal employment has been going down for some time due, at least in part, to automation. This is, according to Krugman, total employment in coal mining:

#45
Posted 10 June 2014 - 11:54 AM

Another industry where capital and technology are combined to eliminate a lot of the labour.
I rarely read Krugman anymore but things always seem to point out to me what I miss by not reading it, but I still don't for some reason.
#46
Posted 10 June 2014 - 03:08 PM
indy, on 10 June 2014 - 11:40 AM, said:
I believe he said that this was people directly employed in mining coal, and that he made a clear caveat that it didn't include all related jobs. Still, it's been dropping as less companies and households want to deal with coal as a fuel.
"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."
"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer
""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer
#47
Posted 10 June 2014 - 03:16 PM
LFC, on 10 June 2014 - 03:08 PM, said:
I believe he said that this was people directly employed in mining coal, and that he made a clear caveat that it didn't include all related jobs. Still, it's been dropping as less companies and households want to deal with coal as a fuel.
LGM has a post on the same Krugman piece. The decline appears to be more about strip mining and automation than decline of use (most coal going to large power plants, home use dropped rapidly in the 1950-60 era).
http://www.lawyersgu...ar-coal-workers
GOP delenda est.
Resist!
#48
Posted 10 June 2014 - 03:25 PM
However, you can also see the all employees graph from fred whch seems the same as Krugmans.

#49
Posted 10 June 2014 - 03:33 PM
#50
Posted 10 June 2014 - 04:37 PM
"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."
"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer
""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer
#51
Posted 10 June 2014 - 04:42 PM
LFC, on 10 June 2014 - 04:37 PM, said:
Not to mention all the state level jobs when they wouldn't continue the stimulus - but of course, government jobs (teacher, highway maintenance, etc) aren't real jobs in their reckoning.
GOP delenda est.
Resist!
#52
Posted 10 June 2014 - 04:48 PM
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices" Voltaire
#53
Posted 10 June 2014 - 04:51 PM
Progressive whisperer, on 10 June 2014 - 04:42 PM, said:
Yepper. All recent past recoveries included an increase in public sector jobs. ONLY this one saw them crash. But

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."
"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer
""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer
#54
Posted 10 June 2014 - 05:08 PM
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices" Voltaire
#55
Posted 10 June 2014 - 05:15 PM

#56
Posted 10 June 2014 - 05:24 PM
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices" Voltaire
#57
Posted 10 June 2014 - 05:33 PM

There were more federal employees in 1970 than now. US population in 1970 was 200 million and now it is 313 million. Technology explains a lot, but all of it?
#59
Posted 10 June 2014 - 05:42 PM
Progressive whisperer, on 10 June 2014 - 05:33 PM, said:
Notice the biggest decrease is during Clinton and Obama admins. This is how know your memes are successful: when the opponents are so concerned with having them used against them that they cave. This is a two-fur for Republicans. Decreased federal employment also means decreased services, which you can then blame on poor administration.
#60
Posted 10 June 2014 - 07:24 PM

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