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Posted 24 September 2020 - 12:43 PM

 LFC, on 24 September 2020 - 12:30 PM, said:

Of course I'd never remotely consider buying a GM product with 100,000 miles on it. Heck, I'd never remotely consider buying a GM product.
The early Saturns were a different animal, and it seemed like GM might have learned something. But then they blew it.

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Posted 24 September 2020 - 12:52 PM

 LFC, on 24 September 2020 - 11:51 AM, said:

She likes the Model 3 and it's affordable.

I was seriously looking at the Model 3 until I saw the back seat specs. "2+2" is being generous. I'm not sure you can fit a backward-facing car seat there, but you sure can't seat an adult (seat height is about toddler level.)

If what you really want is a two-seater, it looks very good. Otherwise ...
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Posted 29 September 2020 - 04:23 PM

The Arctic is being whipsawed.

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The Northern Hemisphere has a new coldest temperature record, and it is seriously freezing. The all-time low of -69°C (-92.2°F) was recorded in Greenland and has been verified by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO).

The record was actually set nearly 30 years ago, but “climate detectives” from WMO’s Archive of Weather and Climate Extremes – where you can find the world’s record-breaking temperatures, rainfall, driest periods, hailstone size, you name it – only recently unearthed the historic record.

The rather numbing -69°C (-92.2°F) was recorded at an automated weather station in a remote part of central Greenland named Klinck on December 22, 1991, beating the previous record by 2°C. The weather station is located at an elevation of 3,105 meters (10,100 feet), close to the highest point of the Greenland Ice Sheet.

The world’s lowest ever temperature recorded is -89.2°C (-128.6°F) at the high-altitude Vostok weather station in Antarctica on July 21, 1983. The previous Northern Hemisphere record was set in Russia in February 1892 and January 1933 by weather stations at Verkhoyanksk and Oymyakon, respectively, recording -67.8°C (-90°F).

Incredibly, the station at Verkhoyanksk hit the headlines earlier this summer when it recorded a sizzling temperature of 38°C (100.4°F) on June 20. WMO is currently verifying if that is a new record for north of the Arctic Circle – a brand new category for the Climate Extremes archive – which is looking likely.

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Posted 05 October 2020 - 03:41 PM

One wildfire in California has now spanned over 1,000,000 square acres. Also it appears that lightning is a big cause of fires starting this year.

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A single wildfire in California has reached the stunning size of more than 1 million acres, becoming the first “gigafire” in the state in decades.

As of Monday morning, the August Complex Fire in the northern part of the state had burned at least 1,002,000 acres and was 54 percent contained, according to the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection (Cal Fire). The area that has burned since the fire ignited on August 16 is larger than Rhode Island and spans seven counties.

The blaze is just one of almost two dozen major wildfires in the Golden State right now in what has already been an extraordinary year for these sweeping infernos.

Across the state, fires have burned a record-shattering 4 million acres so far in 2020. “The 4 million mark is unfathomable. It boggles the mind, and it takes your breath away,” Scott McLean, a spokesperson for Cal Fire, told the Associated Press on October 4. “And that number will grow.”

At least 31 people have died in California as a result of the fires, and millions are facing the health risks of deadly air pollution as clouds of smoke settle over urban areas. The fires have also destroyed more than 8,000 structures.

And it’s not just California that’s been burned badly; Western states including Oregon, Washington, and Colorado have also seen severe wildfires this year. It’s the breathtaking culmination of bad luck, years of poor forestry practices, urban development, and climate change.

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Posted 05 October 2020 - 04:41 PM

 LFC, on 05 October 2020 - 03:41 PM, said:

One wildfire in California has now spanned over 1,000,000 square acres. Also it appears that lightning is a big cause of fires starting this year.

Lightening in the middle of August was intense.
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Posted 15 October 2020 - 07:48 PM

A sailing ship is completing the northern route between the Atlantic and Pacific and is reporting see no ice.

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It is the first time ever that a ship of the kind sails the Russian Arctic route between the Pacific and Atlantic seas. The Sedov on Tuesday passed the southern tip of archipelago Novaya Zemlya and is expected in Murmansk in the course of the week.

The voyage would have been unthinkable only few years ago. But this year’s unprecedented low levels of sea-ice has made sailing on the route smooth and easy.

According to the expedition diary, there has hardly been minus degrees during the voyage and sea-ice has hardly been spotted.

“We expected that we at least would have encountered some finely-crushed ice in the Vilkitsky Strait and the Longa Strait,” ship captain Novikov told newspaper Neft.

“But we have sailed across practically the whole Northern Sea in open waters, and we have not run into any crushed sea-ice, nor icebergs,” he explains.

The three-masted sailing ship built in 1921 on the 18th August set out from Vladivostok. Few days later made it through the Bering Strait and into the Chukchi Sea.

It subsequently made a stop in the town of Pevek before it sailed through the East Siberian and Laptev Sea. It also made a stop in Sabetta, the natural gas terminal in Yamal.

The sailing on the Northern Sea Route follows a grand voyage that has taken the Sedov more than 25 thousand nautical miles across world seas since 1st November 2019.

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Posted 16 October 2020 - 04:35 PM

Canada lost its last intact ice sheet.

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n August, Adrienne White – an ice analyst at the Canadian Ice Service who monitors the Canadian Arctic for changes in sea ice – was reviewing satellite imagery when she spotted something remarkable. The enormous Milne ice shelf, which was the last intact ice shelf in Canada and which White had studied closely before as a PhD student, was dissolving.

A huge chunk larger than Manhattan, roughly 43% of the shelf, broke off in one piece. And as it collapsed into the ocean, it took with it much of the equipment her former colleagues had left there.

“It is lucky that we were not on the ice shelf when this happened,” one colleague, Derek Mueller, wrote in a blogpost following the discovery. “Our camp area and instruments were all destroyed in this event.”

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Posted 17 October 2020 - 12:13 PM

"We witnessed how the Arctic ocean is dying."

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The largest Arctic research expedition in history returned to Germany Monday after 13 months in the Arctic, including several months with its ship deliberately trapped by sea ice, according to The New York Times.

The mission aboard the German Alfred Wegener Institute's Polarstern ship spent the year gathering vital information that would give scientists a window into the future of the Arctic during the climate crisis.

"We witnessed how the Arctic ocean is dying," said Markus Rex, the mission's leader, to Agence-France Presse (AFP). "We saw this process right outside our windows, or when we walked on the brittle ice."

The team aboard the Polarstern comprised more than 300 hundred scientists from 20 countries, including the U.S., Britain, France, Russia and China. According to Rex, the dramatic consequences of a warming planet were evident in an area he described as "the epicenter of climate change," as AFP reported.

"We basically achieved everything we set out to do," Rex told The Associated Press (AP) by satellite phone as the expedition left the polar circle last week. "We conducted measurements for a whole year with just a short break."

The trip to measure the ice and gauge conditions in one of the planet's harshest environments cost $177 million, according to the AP, and the mission almost had to be abandoned months early when the coronavirus was detected on the mission.

The researchers had to break away from the ice in May to get new supplies and to rotate team members in order to adhere to new coronavirus protocols, which upended the mission's carefully planned logistics.

"Who knew when we went up there that life was going to take such an astoundingly strange turn?" said Carin Ashjian, a biological oceanographer at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts, as The New York Times reported.

And yet, the expedition was able to stay the course and complete its research.

"We're bringing back a trove of data, along with countless samples of ice cores, snow and water," said Rex, an atmospheric scientist at Germany's Alfred Wegener Institute for Polar and Ocean Research, as the AP reported.

The observations of the crew reflect a grim future for the Arctic. Rex warned that if the current warming trend the planet is on continues, then soon the Arctic will see ice-free summer. He noted that in some areas that were once covered in ice, the crew was able to sail through open water stretching out as far as the eye could see, as AFP reported.

"At the North Pole itself, we found badly eroded, melted, thin and brittle ice," said Rex, according to AFP.

While the returning crew is optimistic that the trove of samples and data they brought home will paint a clearer picture of how the Arctic is changing, the results will take years, and maybe even decades, to sift through and analyze, according to Melinda Webster, a sea ice expert at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, as the AP reported.

"We went above and beyond the data collection we set out to do," said Webster, according to the AP. The crew returned with 150 terabytes of data and more than 1,000 ice samples.

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Posted 24 October 2020 - 10:26 AM

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Posted 24 October 2020 - 10:33 AM

View PostLFC, on 17 October 2020 - 12:13 PM, said:


Rather bizarre and macabre taste in viewing. What a weird wild world.

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Posted 24 October 2020 - 11:14 AM

For the first time on record Arctic waters isn't freezing in October. Or in right-wing-speak, "natural variations."

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When autumn falls on the Laptev Sea, which borders the northwest coast of Siberia, sea ice typically starts to form in vast quantities that flow into the Arctic Ocean over the winter.

But this year, for the first time on record, the Laptev Sea’s seasonal ice pack has not started to freeze by late October, reports The Guardian. The delayed production of sea ice in such a critical region is yet another dire omen of the climate crisis, and its disproportionate disruption of the Arctic.

“It is quite unusual how slowly the ice is forming this winter in the Eurasian sector,” said Julienne Stroeve, a senior research scientist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Colorado, in an email. “Looking at the sea surface temperatures we can see that ocean temperatures are still several degrees above freezing and also that means the near surface air temperatures are also elevated.”

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Normally, the Laptev Sea acts as an “ice factory,” Stroeve added, due to offshore winds that spur sea ice formation. This sea is also the “the main feeding area” for the Transpolar Drift (TP) System, according to Thomas Krumpen, a sea ice physicist and climate scientist at Alfred Wegener Institute.

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Posted 03 November 2020 - 10:43 AM

Someone is putting some serious money on mitigation finally, market forces starting to kick in?

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Baker Hughes Co BKR.N said on Tuesday it would buy Compact Carbon Capture AS in a bid to expand its footprint beyond oil and gas oilfield services as it prepares for a transition to a low-carbon future.

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“We are positioning our portfolio for new energy frontiers, and we believe there will be strong growth potential of carbon capture for both industrial applications and oil and gas projects,” Chief Executive Officer Lorenzo Simonelli said in a statement on Tuesday.

The company expects growth in demand for lower carbon solutions as more companies move to lower their carbon footprints, including by upgrading gas turbines and buying methane monitoring products. Baker Hughes is targeting net-zero carbon emissions by 2050.

Maybe just anticipation of incoming changes to regulatory environment?
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Posted 03 November 2020 - 11:26 AM

 Beelzebuddy, on 03 November 2020 - 10:43 AM, said:

Maybe just anticipation of incoming changes to regulatory environment?

The Exxon-Mobil papers that were published showed they knew in the 70s that global warming was a huge threat to their business model. That's why they fought so hard to bury the science. These companies are simply diversifying to protect themselves from what they said for 50 years wasn't happening.
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Posted 04 November 2020 - 04:20 AM

 Beelzebuddy, on 03 November 2020 - 10:43 AM, said:

Someone is putting some serious money on mitigation finally, market forces starting to kick in?

Maybe just anticipation of incoming changes to regulatory environment?

You bet! Another example of Cowling's Law of Politics.
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Posted 04 November 2020 - 11:12 AM

 LFC, on 03 November 2020 - 11:26 AM, said:

The Exxon-Mobil papers that were published showed they knew in the 70s that global warming was a huge threat to their business model. That's why they fought so hard to bury the science. These companies are simply diversifying to protect themselves from what they said for 50 years wasn't happening.

We learned nothing from the tobacco companies doing the same thing in the 50's and 60's.

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Posted 04 November 2020 - 12:00 PM

 golden_valley, on 04 November 2020 - 11:12 AM, said:

We learned nothing from the tobacco companies doing the same thing in the 50's and 60's.

Ours is a nation that excels at learning nothing.
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Posted 04 November 2020 - 12:12 PM

 LFC, on 04 November 2020 - 12:00 PM, said:

Ours is a nation that excels at learning nothing.

The success at undermining funding and confidence in our education system is bearing fruit.
And there was much rejoicing. Yay.

How can I be expected to distinguish BS from reality when so much of my reality is utter BS?!

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Posted 04 November 2020 - 12:21 PM

 HockeyDon, on 04 November 2020 - 12:12 PM, said:

The success at undermining funding and confidence in our education system is bearing fruit.

Ditto the success at undermining confidence in our government. The right has built up and unleashed their marching morons.
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Posted 04 November 2020 - 12:56 PM

 HockeyDon, on 04 November 2020 - 12:12 PM, said:

The success at undermining funding and confidence in our education system is bearing fruit.

Sadly, I'm reminded of the old Carlin bit...

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Posted 04 November 2020 - 04:31 PM

 golden_valley, on 04 November 2020 - 11:12 AM, said:

We learned nothing from the tobacco companies doing the same thing in the 50's and 60's.

Yes we did: it works, so do it lots more!
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