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Posted 14 November 2019 - 05:57 PM

View PostRue Bella, on 14 November 2019 - 04:33 PM, said:

Does this mean all of Florida will be submerged, not just the lower half?

The US is less implicated in this change than many other countries, but yes, it won't just be southern Florida. Here is a Forbes article concentrating on impact in the US, with maps:

Shocking New Maps Show How Sea Level Rise Will Destroy Coastal Cities By 2050

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 06:02 PM

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All they need to do is send a nice note to President Trump for financial aid. I'm sure he'd be willing to help, ...especially if they have any dirt on the Bidens.
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Posted 14 November 2019 - 06:05 PM

And people wonder why Nevada won't take all that nuclear waste. Surely they can trust the United States government.

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 09:39 PM

View PostMSheridan, on 14 November 2019 - 05:57 PM, said:



The US is less implicated in this change than many other countries, but yes, it won't just be southern Florida. Here is a Forbes article concentrating on impact in the US, with maps:

Shocking New Maps Show How Sea Level Rise Will Destroy Coastal Cities By 2050

One locale shown on the map but not named in the article, Cedar Key, already struggles under unusually heavy rainfalls, whether from a tropical system or not. Although the Big Boy developers never made it up there (it’s still a quirky fishing village), there will still be significant loss of value once the island becomes uninhabitable.
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Posted 14 November 2019 - 10:28 PM

View PostRue Bella, on 14 November 2019 - 04:33 PM, said:

Does this mean all of Florida will be submerged, not just the lower half?

Only the Democrat-infested parts.
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Posted 20 November 2019 - 11:49 AM

Venice isn't the only part of Italy taking a beating due to extreme weather.

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It has been one week since historic floods caused more than a billion dollars worth of damage in Venice, and the skies are not exactly clearing. All across the country, extreme weather has flooded rivers, downed trees, caused mudslides, and wreaked collective havoc. And according to a new report called “The Climate Has Already Changed” released Tuesday by Italy’s environmental watchdog group Legambiente, this is just the beginning.

The report paints a grim picture of how climate change is impacting the Italian peninsula, which is geographically doomed thanks to rising seas on three sides. The authors list 40 coastal cities at risk, including Venice, Trieste, Ravenna, Pescara, La Spezia, Cagliari, Oristano, and Trapani, that could face widespread evacuations of its citizens by 2050.

But the report also says that recent and predicted weather between now and the end of the year is likely to have major economic and logistic impact on Rome, Milan, Genoa, Naples, Palermo, Catania, Bari, Reggio Calabria, and Turin.

If the last week is any sign, there isn’t much room for optimism. Among the many weather related disasters in the last seven days are multiple mudslides in the north of the country, including one that caused the derailment of a train. No one was injured, but the mud also caused the closure of several highways, isolating the Pusteria Valley near the Austrian border and temporarily closing the Brenner Pass.

The piece goes on to note weather related problems in multiple areas Tuscany including Florence as well as multiple other areas around the country including Rome.
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Posted 20 November 2019 - 07:43 PM

We’ll be measuring sea level rise in feet, not inches
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Posted 21 November 2019 - 02:23 AM

View PostAnBr, on 20 November 2019 - 07:43 PM, said:


You can do that now, if you like. 1 inch = 0.083 feet, as near as dammit. But why can't the USA move into the 21st century[1] and use millimetres? Everywhere else in the world uses these efficient SI Units.

[1] For that matter, why can't the UK? (Don't answer that, we know already).
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Posted 21 November 2019 - 07:46 AM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 21 November 2019 - 02:23 AM, said:

You can do that now, if you like. 1 inch = 0.083 feet, as near as dammit. But why can't the USA move into the 21st century[1] and use millimetres?

Because measuring sea level rise in the thousands of mm is too much of a pain.
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Posted 21 November 2019 - 07:57 AM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 21 November 2019 - 02:23 AM, said:

You can do that now, if you like. 1 inch = 0.083 feet, as near as dammit. But why can't the USA move into the 21st century[1] and use millimetres? Everywhere else in the world uses these efficient SI Units.

[1] For that matter, why can't the UK? (Don't answer that, we know already).

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Climate change threatens 945 US toxic waste sites with flood and fire

You really, really don’t want a toxic waste site to flood. But 60% of the waste sites designated the most hazardous in the US, known as “Superfund” sites, are threatened by rising sea levels, flooding, storm surge, and wildfires made more destructive and frequent by climate change, according to a report released Monday (Nov 18) by the US Government Accountability Office (GAO).

That’s 945 toxic waste sites in the crosshairs. And right now, the US environment agency doesn’t prioritize the threat of climate change in management plans for its Superfund sites—whether indirectly through lack of resources, or directly, through lack of any clear guidance on climate change, according to the report.


"according to a report released Monday (Nov 18) by the US Government Accountability Office (GAO)."

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Posted 21 November 2019 - 08:42 AM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 21 November 2019 - 02:23 AM, said:

You can do that now, if you like. 1 inch = 0.083 feet, as near as dammit. But why can't the USA move into the 21st century[1] and use millimetres? Everywhere else in the world uses these efficient SI Units.

[1] For that matter, why can't the UK? (Don't answer that, we know already).
As one well versed in both measurements, I much prefer metric for scientific work. As a matter of fact, it is the only method for that. But when it comes to engineering, there are a host of hassles. For starters, meters are too big. You cannot grade a site in whole meters, it has to be done in half or quarter meter contours to be useful. Then there are issues in drawing scales. Details are done in mm, site plans in meters. So when the landscape architect does his thing in mm, I have to constantly scale their drawings to fit in my site plans. This introduces issues with linetype scale, so the dashes are dashes and not dots. Not huge issues, but a pain in the ass none the less.

Units are important.
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Posted 21 November 2019 - 09:43 AM

View PostTraveler, on 21 November 2019 - 08:42 AM, said:

Units are important.

Tell me! Try doing electromagnetics in US (not English, not Imperial) measure. Or for that matter anything involving heat and work (How many foot-pounds to a BTU, anyway? And how does that compare to a kilowatt-hour?)

Fortunately, by the '80s the semiconductor industry had switched entirely to SI. Entirely, that is, except for the upper management who insisted on having everything converted to mils. Whenever the process gang wanted to talk about gate thickness in Angstroms, I forgave them because although everything else was in nm it's only a factor of ten difference.
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Posted 21 November 2019 - 09:46 AM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 21 November 2019 - 02:23 AM, said:

But why can't the USA move into the 21st century[1] and use millimetres? Everywhere else in the world uses these efficient SI Units.

[1] For that matter, why can't the UK? (Don't answer that, we know already).

We were in the process of conversion starting in the late '70s, then Reagan and the Republican revolution happened. That was followed by the rise of religionists and disdain of science.
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Posted 21 November 2019 - 09:59 AM

The funny thing is, we have converted. An "inch" is precisely 2.54 cm, neither more nor less. Etc. For all of the moaning about the horrible cost of converting to metrics, US manufacturing uses at least half hard-metric tools because the rest of the world charge quite a bit more to humour us in our quaint tribal ways.

It's just that we have to pretend to be all Imperial American Exceptional for the general public in Red States. If tomorrow California were to change all the street signs there'd be some grumbling about "Mexicans" in Bakersfield but most of the State would hit a couple of buttons on their dash instrument controls and happily switch over to kph and km and Celsius until they had to cross to Arizona or Nevada -- and then they'd complain.
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Posted 21 November 2019 - 10:49 AM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 21 November 2019 - 09:59 AM, said:

The funny thing is, we have converted. An "inch" is precisely 2.54 cm, neither more nor less. Etc. For all of the moaning about the horrible cost of converting to metrics, US manufacturing uses at least half hard-metric tools because the rest of the world charge quite a bit more to humor us in our quaint tribal ways.

True. When was the last time that you bought a fifth of whiskey?
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Posted 21 November 2019 - 11:23 AM

View PostAnBr, on 21 November 2019 - 09:46 AM, said:

We were in the process of conversion starting in the late '70s, then Reagan and the Republican revolution happened. That was followed by the rise of religionists and disdain of science.

We even had both measurements on the interstate highways, at least in my area. We were already converting. What happened? 'Murica, f***ing up the productive America since ... well, since 1776 at least.
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Posted 21 November 2019 - 11:34 AM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 21 November 2019 - 07:46 AM, said:

Because measuring sea level rise in the thousands of mm is too much of a pain.
Sea level rise due to global heating: not at all. Sea level: possibly, but I disagree.

This line of thought occurred to me reading articles about railways in which different track gauges were compared. The gauges were given in both imperial and metric: for example 4' 8½" and 1435 mm. The size of a millimetre is immaterial here; if you think it's too small you could write 1.435 m or (not in SI units but commonly accepted) 14.35 cm.

Also 5½ miles is about 8.9 km, but writing it as 8900 m is fine by me[1]. The SI units of length are all (positive or negative) powers of 103 metres so a reasonably-sized one is always available. I admit that 890 000 mm is silly.

[1] Or 8851 mm almost exactly.
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Posted 21 November 2019 - 11:39 AM

View PostTraveler, on 21 November 2019 - 08:42 AM, said:

As one well versed in both measurements, I much prefer metric for scientific work. As a matter of fact, it is the only method for that. But when it comes to engineering, there are a host of hassles. For starters, meters are too big. You cannot grade a site in whole meters, it has to be done in half or quarter meter contours to be useful. Then there are issues in drawing scales. Details are done in mm, site plans in meters. So when the landscape architect does his thing in mm, I have to constantly scale their drawings to fit in my site plans. This introduces issues with linetype scale, so the dashes are dashes and not dots. Not huge issues, but a pain in the ass none the less.

Units are important.

Not IMO a good example of the problems. You just move the decimal point three places; it's not like converting between feet and inches. And surely converting dots to dashes and back is a separate niggle? But I may have missed the point[1] here.

[1] Pun not intended, but appropriate.
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Posted 21 November 2019 - 02:18 PM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 21 November 2019 - 11:39 AM, said:

And surely converting dots to dashes and back is a separate niggle?

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