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Once again, a tip o' the hat to Justice Kennedy.
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Another State Gay Marriage Ban Bites the Dust
Started By Practical Girl, May 19 2014 03:35 PM
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Posted 19 May 2014 - 03:35 PM
This time in Oregon. And from the court, very similar wording as the last court strikes:
Once again, a tip o' the hat to Justice Kennedy.
Once again, a tip o' the hat to Justice Kennedy.
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“A republic,” Franklin said, “if you can keep it.”
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Posted 19 May 2014 - 03:57 PM
The Supremes just seem to be riding this time of turmoil out. By the time they make their decision, it looks like it's going to end up as little more than a statement of "ditto" ... minus at least Scalia and Thomas, of course. It seems like federal justices at every other level and from every part of the nation are in pretty solid agreement. At this point the tide is so strong that I can't imagine Roberts wanting a dissent to stain his legacy.
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Posted 19 May 2014 - 04:30 PM
LFC, on 19 May 2014 - 03:57 PM, said:
The Supremes just seem to be riding this time of turmoil out. By the time they make their decision, it looks like it's going to end up as little more than a statement of "ditto" ... minus at least Scalia and Thomas, of course. It seems like federal justices at every other level and from every part of the nation are in pretty solid agreement. At this point the tide is so strong that I can't imagine Roberts wanting a dissent to stain his legacy.
Yes. A while back, TRSers (indy comes to mind) taught me to chill on all that- that even with civil rights, the states came aboard in the majority before a sweeping, SCOTUS ruling. A little civics lesson, playing out before our eyes. I still hate the process, because I'm impatient with intolerance and depriving American's of their rights. But the best thing about all of this is that we will soon be to the tipping point where the remaining red states won't be able to stop the train. We might already be there. Good enough.
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--- On September 17, 1787, as Benjamin Franklin was leaving the deliberations of the Constitutional Convention, at Independence Hall, in Philadelphia, a woman called out to him, saying, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?”
“A republic,” Franklin said, “if you can keep it.”
--- LFC, on Gorsuch ruling: "Awesome. A Christianist who swore an oath to uphold the laws of the nation and bore false witness when he did it"
--- "Write hard and clear about what hurts"
Ernest Hemingway
---Julia Child
--- On September 17, 1787, as Benjamin Franklin was leaving the deliberations of the Constitutional Convention, at Independence Hall, in Philadelphia, a woman called out to him, saying, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?”
“A republic,” Franklin said, “if you can keep it.”
--- LFC, on Gorsuch ruling: "Awesome. A Christianist who swore an oath to uphold the laws of the nation and bore false witness when he did it"
--- "Write hard and clear about what hurts"
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Posted 20 May 2014 - 08:54 AM
Practical Girl, on 19 May 2014 - 04:30 PM, said:
I still hate the process, because I'm impatient with intolerance and depriving American's of their rights.
Andrew Sullivan has been pushing for this for decades, His book "Virtually Normal" was written in 1996. It's interesting to read how stunned he really is that it's happening as fast as it is. He never thought he'd live to see the day when he could marry his now husband.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions
"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."
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Posted 20 May 2014 - 12:17 PM
Looks like my current state of residence, Pennsylvania, is on the verge of having a decision announced at 2:00PM today by a U.S. District judge. Stay tuned!
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions
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"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer
""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer
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Posted 20 May 2014 - 12:27 PM
I don't know anyone in a gay marriage, or anyone even considering one, but I'll admit to feeling a bit of schadenfreude as religious bigots squirm in discomfort with all these 'icky' rulings.
As for the speed of such decisions, except for the individuals concerned, I don't think it's totally a bad thing. If large societal decisions could be made faster, there would be too many bad ones made since fads can come and go.
As for the speed of such decisions, except for the individuals concerned, I don't think it's totally a bad thing. If large societal decisions could be made faster, there would be too many bad ones made since fads can come and go.
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Posted 20 May 2014 - 01:54 PM
Rue Bella, on 20 May 2014 - 12:27 PM, said:
I don't know anyone in a gay marriage, or anyone even considering one, but I'll admit to feeling a bit of schadenfreude as religious bigots squirm in discomfort with all these 'icky' rulings.
As for the speed of such decisions, except for the individuals concerned, I don't think it's totally a bad thing. If large societal decisions could be made faster, there would be too many bad ones made since fads can come and go.
As for the speed of such decisions, except for the individuals concerned, I don't think it's totally a bad thing. If large societal decisions could be made faster, there would be too many bad ones made since fads can come and go.
I was just at the annual "moveable feast" at Chateau Montelena. We were seated next to a lesbian couple who have been together for 30 years (and married for 4). It was incredibly touching to see how happy they felt over an arrangement that most of us take completely for granted.
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Posted 20 May 2014 - 02:25 PM
I share Dr D's observation. I know a lesbian couple that's been together 25 years. Each time California allowed gay marriage, they went through a ceremony starting back when the City of San Francisco under Mayor Newsom started recognizing marriages in 2004. I think they've been married 2 or 3 times now...to each other.
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Posted 20 May 2014 - 03:11 PM
"strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence"
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Posted 20 May 2014 - 03:52 PM
baw1064, on 20 May 2014 - 03:11 PM, said:
Lol!!!
Lol, indeed.
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"As I have said, the real rationale of today’s opinion ... is that DOMA is motivated by 'bare ... desire' to harm couples in same-sex marriages," Scalia wrote in the 2013 dissent. "How easy it is, indeed how inevitable, to reach the same conclusion with regard to state laws denying same-sex couples marital status."
Jones is one of several district court judges in numerous states to cite Scalia's prescient warning about the broader legal consequences of the DOMA reasoning. Same-sex marriage has enjoyed a remarkable winning streak since the ruling.
Jones is one of several district court judges in numerous states to cite Scalia's prescient warning about the broader legal consequences of the DOMA reasoning. Same-sex marriage has enjoyed a remarkable winning streak since the ruling.
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Posted 20 May 2014 - 03:56 PM
It's nice to see my state join the ranks, even if it did require a federal judge to get it done.
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Posted 20 May 2014 - 04:00 PM
baw1064, on 20 May 2014 - 03:11 PM, said:
Lol!!!
"No! No! NO!!! What I really meant was..."
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions
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"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."
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Posted 20 May 2014 - 04:07 PM
Two more fun facts on this decision. First, the judge has provided no stay on the ruling. And second, Rick Santorum endorsed the judge who made the ruling.
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Posted 20 May 2014 - 05:34 PM
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Someone is goin' to hell for this. I just don't know who!
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The Church Lady?
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Posted 20 May 2014 - 08:39 PM
Been reading a great book on the history of the world circa 100-700AD in the West called "The shadow of the Sword' by Tim Holland. So far, it is astounding. If you are interested in the real history of the various religions that came out of the Near East, read this book. I am blown away at the lack of any real evidence for any authority on the OT, the NT and the Koran that was not some latter effort to piece together various mythologies and tales. Why don't we teach real history instead of fake history? Saddens me because the reality is much more interesting than the myth.
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Posted 21 May 2014 - 09:58 AM
Sinan, on 20 May 2014 - 08:39 PM, said:
I am blown away at the lack of any real evidence for any authority on the OT, the NT and the Koran that was not some latter effort to piece together various mythologies and tales. Why don't we teach real history instead of fake history?
Because the powers that be in organized religion will howl that they are under attack. Their positions of power depend upon both the personal spin from previous power mongers as well as their own personal interpretations granting them power over people. All that piecing together after the fact was all done for a reason.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions
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" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions
"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."
"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer
""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer
"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."
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Posted 23 June 2014 - 03:21 PM
Sullivan tossed out a link to a NY Times article about the Presbyterian Church voting to allow ministers to perform SSM.
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The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) voted at its General Assembly on Thursday to change its constitution’s definition of marriage from “a man and a woman” to “two people,” and to allow its ministers to perform same-sex marriages where it is legal.
Both measures, passed by large majorities, are a reversal for a church that in 1991 and in 2008 barred its pastors from performing same-sex marriages, and that has held ecclesiastical trials for ministers who violated the ban and blessed gay couples.
Both measures, passed by large majorities, are a reversal for a church that in 1991 and in 2008 barred its pastors from performing same-sex marriages, and that has held ecclesiastical trials for ministers who violated the ban and blessed gay couples.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions
"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."
"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer
""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer
"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."
"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer
""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer
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Posted 25 June 2014 - 04:46 PM
The hits just keep on coming. The 10th Circuit Court struck down the gay marriage ban in Utah (though apparently stayed the ruling until it's heard by SCOTUS ... or not) and a federal judge did the same in Indiana but did not stay the ruling. Here's an interactive map on the state of the states.
http://www.usatoday....riage/11354831/
http://www.usatoday....riage/11354831/
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions
"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."
"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer
""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer
"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."
"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer
""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer
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