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Posted 24 April 2014 - 12:28 PM

"It is hard to have much sympathy for the conservative media outlets that elevated Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, rather than the legitimate concerns over the federal government’s approach to land management in the West, to hero status. Bundy was never a figure worthy of much veneration, much less pity. But more than a handful of conservative outlets, fueled by antipathy toward the administration and angered by the election year-fueled rhetorical overreach of lawmakers like Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV), took an imprudent course by crafting a personality cult around delinquency."

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 12:36 PM

What are you saying? Bundy is going to get a no-work job at a Republican think tank?

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 12:48 PM

Indy, brilliant! More of the circular firing squad. What hypocrites.
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Posted 24 April 2014 - 12:50 PM

Holy crap. Talk about a hysterical "clutch the pearls" moment from Kevin Williamson in the National Review:

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Of course the law is against Cliven Bundy. How could it be otherwise? The law was against Mohandas Gandhi, too, when he was tried for sedition.

Gandhi? Really? I guess I never read where Gandhi used land he didn't own to make a personal profit and then resisted the government to continue to use land he didn't own. What an asshole.
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Posted 24 April 2014 - 12:51 PM

I loved this quote:


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Unlike his Blaze colleague above, Beck has not been among the staunchest defenders of Bundy — so much so that Jon Stewart branded him the “voice of reason” compared to Fox’s Sean Hannity.
On his radio show Thursday morning, Beck said the “Negro” comment “shows you how unhinged from reality this guy is.” (Bolding mine)

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 12:53 PM

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 12:54 PM

View Postandydp, on 24 April 2014 - 12:51 PM, said:

I loved this quote:


Glenn Beck
Unlike his Blaze colleague above, Beck has not been among the staunchest defenders of Bundy — so much so that Jon Stewart branded him the “voice of reason” compared to Fox’s Sean Hannity.
On his radio show Thursday morning, Beck said the “Negro” comment “shows you how unhinged from reality this guy is.” (Bolding mine)

Glenn Beck and reality...

Mind blowing...

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 12:55 PM

I didn't follow this. Putting aside his comments, did his complaints raise any legitimate land use issues or not?

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 12:58 PM

What did the BLM do to him?
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Posted 24 April 2014 - 12:59 PM

View Postdsp, on 24 April 2014 - 12:53 PM, said:

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

I suggest Mr. Bundy receive some remedial training - like in how to make very small rocks from big ones with a sledge hammer. If he does really well and keeps his nose clean he might hope to step up to making license plates...
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Posted 24 April 2014 - 12:59 PM

Yglesias calls Bundy out as a moocher, using land that he does not own (regardless of who owns it) without paying a fee. He also points out how a number of ranchers are being given a massive government handout and he lost his. The fact that his ancestors also used land they didn't own doesn't mean squat. Just because his ancestors got a government handout is hardly a compelling reason for he and his heirs receiving the same federal handout for all time. Imagine if a poor worker in federally subsidized housing demanded that he and his heirs must be given that subsidy forever?

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According to the Congressional Research Service, Bureau of Land Management fees for federal lands are drastically lower than fees charged by private landowners — $1.35 per animal month-unit (AUM) versus an $8-$23 fee on private land. What's more, the federal agencies who administer this grazing land "typically spend far more managing their grazing programs than they collect in grazing fees." The net result is that federal grazing programs are an enormous giveaway to ranchers that carries both direct and opportunity costs for the rest of us.

What happened to Bundy is that due to a BLM policy change, he lost access to this valuable subsidy.

He also puts the "freedom" nitwits in perspective when the setting and skin color are changed a tad:

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From day one, I've tried to imagine the reaction if a young black man living in my gentrifying neighborhood reacted to some adverse change in government policy — perhaps funding cuts led a bus line in the neighborhood to get shut down — by stealing a bus. Then when the cops come to take the bus back, he brings out fifty friends, some of them armed, and start talking about putting the women out front so they'll be shot first. My overwhelming presupposition is that he'd end up shot dead, along with his armed buddies, and that would about be the end of it. There would be no partisan political controversy about whether or not it is appropriate to react to changes in WMATA's route planning with violence.

Yes, can you imagine the reaction of the right to this very similar situation?
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Posted 24 April 2014 - 01:11 PM

View Postdsp, on 24 April 2014 - 12:55 PM, said:

I didn't follow this. Putting aside his comments, did his complaints raise any legitimate land use issues or not?

He's been grazing his cattle on BLM land for many years and refused to pay his (subsidized) fees. He was prosecuted and has lost multiple court cases over this. When the BLM closed down the area to protect an endangered species, he still refused to remove his cattle (from the land he doesn't own). When the BLM rounded up his illegally grazing cattle, a bunch of armed supporters came in and created an armed stand-off. The BLM backed off rather than starting a firefight.

He doesn't have a legal leg to stand on which means he's intentionally breaking the law as a form of protest. Therefore the U.S. government has every right to arrest him and to take his cattle as compensation for the money he already owes, as determined by several courts of law. If he resists arrest in an armed fashion, he should be treated like any other armed criminal resisting law enforcement.
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Posted 24 April 2014 - 01:17 PM

In other words, he has been stealing from the taxpayers.
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Posted 24 April 2014 - 01:52 PM

He says the US government doesn't exist. As Jon Stewart said, Bundy is an USAtheist.

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 02:53 PM

View Postdsp, on 24 April 2014 - 12:55 PM, said:

I didn't follow this. Putting aside his comments, did his complaints raise any legitimate land use issues or not?

No.
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Posted 24 April 2014 - 02:57 PM

View PostLFC, on 24 April 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

He's been grazing his cattle on BLM land for many years and refused to pay his (subsidized) fees. He was prosecuted and has lost multiple court cases over this. When the BLM closed down the area to protect an endangered species, he still refused to remove his cattle (from the land he doesn't own). When the BLM rounded up his illegally grazing cattle, a bunch of armed supporters came in and created an armed stand-off. The BLM backed off rather than starting a firefight.

He doesn't have a legal leg to stand on which means he's intentionally breaking the law as a form of protest. Therefore the U.S. government has every right to arrest him and to take his cattle as compensation for the money he already owes, as determined by several courts of law. If he resists arrest in an armed fashion, he should be treated like any other armed criminal resisting law enforcement.

The claims are all in his mind, DSP. He claims his family grazed there for years and somehow that makes it OK for him to use it for free (um, no, and no, he could show neither in court). Then he claims that the land really should belong to Nevada, so the BLM has an illegitimate claim - because of that, in his mind (and the wankers with him who have gotten convinced that thereby this is a state's-rights issue).

I channel-surfed across Bill O'Reilly discussing this with his usual folks, and they came up with nothing. Nothing. Bill muttered something about "well if it was owned by Nevada then he could maybe get a more reasonable deal" then went on the next topic.

He's violating what is a pretty well-established conservative principle, and that is land ownership rights.
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Posted 24 April 2014 - 03:13 PM

Via Sullivan, Chait goes into the issue of separating right-wing arguments (like this case) from any racism that the person holds (like Bundy obviously does). Engage the argument, not the fact that the right winger is a racist. That sounds good, but then he makes a very interesting point about anti-government types and racism:

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Where we differ is that, I’d argue, it’s not exactly a coincidence that Bundy also turns out to be a gigantic racist. Just like Ron Paul’s longtime ghostwriter turned out to be a neoconfederate white supremacist. And like the way Rand Paul’s ghostwriter also turned out to be a neoconfederate white supremacist. Presumably all these revelations have struck Tuccille as a series of shocking coincidences. Why do all these people with strong antipathy toward the federal government turn out to be racists?

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 03:24 PM

View PostLFC, on 24 April 2014 - 03:13 PM, said:

Via Sullivan, Chait goes into the issue of separating right-wing arguments (like this case) from any racism that the person holds (like Bundy obviously does). Engage the argument, not the fact that the right winger is a racist. That sounds good, but then he makes a very interesting point about anti-government types and racism:



There's a bonus Onion link at the end of that quote.

Well, in this case, if he had some kind of real claim, I'd be happy to never-mind that he also happens to be racist.

But he doesn't - it all flows directly from anti-federal government antipathy (even against good old fashioned property rights!) and that all springs from the same waters as this racist stuff.
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Posted 24 April 2014 - 04:20 PM

Joe The Plumber. Add some cows, subtract the butt crack. Coming soon:

Bundy For Congress: Git Yur Damn Hands Off My Subsidy. Let Freedumb Ring!
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Posted 24 April 2014 - 04:22 PM

View PostPractical Girl, on 24 April 2014 - 04:20 PM, said:

Joe The Plumber. Add some cows, subtract the butt crack. Coming soon:

Bundy For Congress: Git Yur Damn Hands Off My Subsidy. Let Freedumb Ring!

Naw - future Fox news analyst contract.
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