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Posted 27 October 2020 - 05:20 PM

View Postandydp, on 27 October 2020 - 05:10 PM, said:

Wonder why Mayor Giuliani picked the NY Post to give them the scoop ?

I am shocked ! Shocked ! This would happen !!

I know I shouldn't be shocked at just how staggeringly and persistently stupid this man really is but come on, admitting that out loud? What kind of low IQ, dropped on his head as a baby now with advanced Altzheimer's butt-munch would do this? Dumbf***ery, thy name is Rudy.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 28 October 2020 - 01:54 AM

View PostLFC, on 27 October 2020 - 05:20 PM, said:

I know I shouldn't be shocked at just how staggeringly and persistently stupid this man really is but come on, admitting that out loud? What kind of low IQ, dropped on his head as a baby now with advanced Altzheimer's butt-munch would do this? Dumbf***ery, thy name is Rudy.

It seems quite simple to my shallow little mind. He wanted money and power or both, and there was a certain pussy grabber who looked like a good horse to back. Snag: money and power are highly addictive drugs that damage your health, whether ethical or spiritual[1]. His ethical or spiritual health has been destroyed enough to render him incapable of getting out of his predicament.

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Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

1 Timothy 6:9-10. That's "One Timothy", not "First Timothy". I onlee speaka Breeteesh.

[1] I say they overlap: could someone tell me an easy stand-alone app or something to get a graphic of a Venn diagram quickly into a TRS post?
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Posted 28 October 2020 - 06:15 AM

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Posted 28 October 2020 - 09:27 AM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 28 October 2020 - 01:54 AM, said:

It seems quite simple to my shallow little mind. He wanted money and power or both, and there was a certain pussy grabber who looked like a good horse to back. Snag: money and power are highly addictive drugs that damage your health, whether ethical or spiritual[1]. His ethical or spiritual health has been destroyed enough to render him incapable of getting out of his predicament.

This reminds me of Andrew Sullivan's description of Giuliani from many years back: "A small man in search of a balcony."
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 28 October 2020 - 11:38 AM

Rudy melts down on Faux News over being compared to Christopher Steele. That's gotta' sting. If I still had a schadefreude meter left it would be going off.

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Trump personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, who has been peddling unverified documents of suspect provenance alleging wrongdoing by the Biden family, exploded and demanded an apology when a Fox Business host had the temerity Tuesday night to compare him to ex-British spy Christopher Steele.

With Republicans noting that the Hunter Biden laptop story isn’t swaying the opinion of the American electorate, and the Trump campaign backing off its attacks on Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden’s son as the election winds down, Lisa “Kennedy” Montgomery grilled Giuliani about the credibility of the anti-Biden dirt he’s been pushing recently.

Expressing skepticism about the explanations Giuliani has made for how he came upon the laptop and materials purporting to belong to Hunter Biden, Kennedy brought up the former New York City mayor’s pal Andriy Derkach, a pro-Russian Ukrainian lawmaker who claims he has yet another laptop.

“And one of the meetings you had was with Andriy Derkach. That was about a year ago,” she said, calling Derkach a “Russian asset” and suspected spy. “And he has been saying for some time that not only does damaging evidence exist from Hunter Biden’s laptop, he’s also saying there is a second laptop. How does a Ukrainian lawmaker who might be compromised know of a second laptop?”

Giuliani, who previously told The Daily Beast there’s only a “50/50” chance Derkach is a “Russian spy,” insisted that Derkach has “other laptops” and knows of “two others that are in possession of other people.” The former mayor then dove into the more lascivious allegations he’s recently been spreading about Hunter Biden.

“We will have the people in our news departments verify all of this, because it sounds like there may be something here that is fishy that is causing Americans—giving them pause,” Kennedy responded. “And now there’s stuff that might’ve been completely adulterated over the 18 months, and some could say that you were acting like Christopher Steele.”

The comparison to the author of the infamous Steele Dossier, which includes unverifiable and salacious claims against President Donald Trump, caused the Trump lawyer to blow his top.

“You’ve got to be kidding me. I was acting like Christopher Steele?!” Giuliani shrieked.

“That’s what it sounds like,” the Fox host responded.

“You better apologize for that,” Giuliani snapped back.

As Kennedy justified comparing him to Steele, noting that both men were digging for political dirt in Eastern Bloc countries, Giuliani continued to rage at the libertarian Fox personality.

“What you are saying is an outrageous defamation of me, of my reputation,” he exclaimed, growing more animated. “Every single thing is here! And I want you to look at it, and then you apologize to me!”

“I came on your show in good faith to give you evidence that has been withheld from the American people. And I get defamed. That is outrageous!” Giuliani fumed.

“All right, are you still working on behalf of the president?” Kennedy wondered aloud, prompting Giuliani to fire back: “I think our interview is now over!”

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 29 October 2020 - 11:33 AM

I was wavering between putting this in the political humor section, the election section or here in the Ukraine section.

Tucker Carlson Reports He Lost Only Copy of Documents That Nail Biden

On Wednesday night’s show, Tucker Carlson reported that his team had acquired incriminating documents. However, they sent them from Washington to Los Angeles, and the documents disappeared. And they neglected to make any copies. So now the only copy of the documents that would nail the probable next president of the United States are gone:

That just shows how desperate Biden is to make this story disappear and in no way reflects poorly on the credibility of the sources of this alleged scandal.



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"I can't go out because of the virus" sounds whiny and boring. I'm going with: "I've sworn an oath of solitude until the pestilence is purged from the lands." because it sounds more valiant and heroic. As a bonus, people might think you're carrying a sword.

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I get it. They had a guy ratf**k the post office. They filled the courts with hacks. They spent a ton of money. They filed so many lawsuits. They even started a riot ! It’s so unfair that they went to all that trouble and still lost. Anonymous

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Posted 29 October 2020 - 12:44 PM

View Postandydp, on 29 October 2020 - 11:33 AM, said:

I was wavering between putting this in the political humor section, the election section or here in the Ukraine section.

I put it in the Faux News thread sooooooo ... same as political humor?
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 02 November 2020 - 10:57 AM

I thought that the whole corrupt, stupid, and incompetently delivered Hunter Biden laptop lie had finally died a well deserved whimpering death. I thought wrong. There's always another level of corrupt, stupid, and incompetent when Republicans are involved.

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In the chaotic rush of news you may have noticed this headline that another laptop of Hunter Biden’s was found in a February DEA raid. Read a little further and you learn it was a raid on the office of a “celebrity psychiatrist.” One might legitimately ask just how many laptops Hunter Biden owned and why he seemed to be leaving them all over the country – this one was in Massachusetts. But one would look long and hard for any clear reference to the fact that this “celebrity psychiatrist” was in fact a high profile former Fox News commentator named Keith Ablow.

If you don’t remember Ablow, you can see some of his greatest hits here, your standard litany of racist or otherwise outrageous claims – Obama wants Ebola in America because “his affinities” are with Africa. Stuff like that. Ablow, a psychiatrist, was eventually bounced from Fox News after numerous former patients came forward to accuse him of various forms of sexual misconduct. He eventually lost his license to practice medicine.

But how on earth did what purports to be one of Hunter Biden’s laptops end up in his possession on or before February 2020? Remember, Biden allegedly dropped off three of them at a Delaware computer repair shop. The idea seems to be that Biden, strung out on coke, was crisscrossing the country dropping off numerous laptops with Fox News personalities and friends of President Trump. It really seems hard to figure.

But again, what seems relevant here is how an actual or concocted laptop belonging to Hunter Biden ended up in the possession of a high profile Fox News personality around the time of the President’s impeachment trial.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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Posted 02 November 2020 - 11:38 AM

 LFC, on 02 November 2020 - 10:57 AM, said:

I thought that the whole corrupt, stupid, and incompetently delivered Hunter Biden laptop lie had finally died a well deserved whimpering death. I thought wrong. There's always another level of corrupt, stupid, and incompetent when Republicans are involved.
Are these folks taking their cues from Hollywood screenwriters? Or maybe the screenwriters should take notes. But then, would a studio head even find such a story treatment within bounds for a movie, or too outrageous?
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Posted 02 November 2020 - 11:59 AM

 Bact PhD, on 02 November 2020 - 11:38 AM, said:

Are these folks taking their cues from Hollywood screenwriters? Or maybe the screenwriters should take notes. But then, would a studio head even find such a story treatment within bounds for a movie, or too outrageous?

Just suppose for a second SOME of the Hunter Biden stuff might be true. After all this "contaminating the crime scene" no one with functioning neurons is going to believe any of it. (GOP base excepted)

RE: Hollywood. There's a line in Soapdish during the denoument when screenwriter Whoopi Goldberg says: "Why can I write &^%%^ like that ?"
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"I can't go out because of the virus" sounds whiny and boring. I'm going with: "I've sworn an oath of solitude until the pestilence is purged from the lands." because it sounds more valiant and heroic. As a bonus, people might think you're carrying a sword.

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I get it. They had a guy ratf**k the post office. They filled the courts with hacks. They spent a ton of money. They filed so many lawsuits. They even started a riot ! It’s so unfair that they went to all that trouble and still lost. Anonymous

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Posted 29 December 2020 - 03:54 PM

Now the owner of the computer repair shop who allegedly found the drive is suing Twitter for a half billion dollars. All I can say is, this:

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The alleged defamation ties to a specific October episode in a fall that was, frankly, full of strange episodes. On October 14, the New York Post ran a story alleging that President-Elect Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, had connected his father with Ukrainian energy firm Burisma in 2014. These allegations were based on emails the Post said it got from Trump attorney and former New York mayor Rudy Giliani, who in turn allegedly obtained them from a laptop that Biden's son Hunter dropped off at Mac Isaac's computer repair shop in 2019.

In the suit, Mac Isaac says between July 2019 and October 2020 he spoke several times with the FBI and Robert Costello, an attorney for Giuliani, about Biden's hard drive. Mac Isaac was not aware the New York Post had any information about the hard drive or that the paper was going to publish a story about its contents, he claims, and he did not give Giuliani, Costello, or the Post "authorization" to release his name.


Once he spoke to anybody outside of the authorities and got involved with Giuliani he made himself part of the story. Suck it up, buttercup. Too bad it didn't land you a big pay day but that kind of thing happens when you make shady deals with shadier characters.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 09 February 2021 - 09:07 PM

Ouch! Right at the beginning of Trump's impeachment trial a call that Giuliani had with Ukraine trying to strongarm them into announcing a bogus investigation comes out. I have no doubt that they're ratf***ing Trump right back even though they say they merely want to get back to normal relations. They could have pulled that off without burying Giuliani and Trump. (Not that I'm complaining, of course. I just grew another Schadenfreude Meter, pegged it, and vaporized it in about 15 seconds.)

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“Let these investigations go forward,” Rudy Giuliani told the presidential headquarters in Kyiv, Ukraine, his voice turning impatient. “Get someone to investigate this.” On the other end of the line, hunched over a speakerphone, two Ukrainian officials listened in disbelief as Giuliani demanded probes that could help his client, then-President Donald Trump, win another term in office.

The 40-minute call, a transcript of which was obtained by TIME, provides the clearest picture yet of Giuliani’s attempts to pressure the Ukrainians on Trump’s behalf. The President’s personal lawyer toggled between veiled threats—“Be careful,” he warned repeatedly—and promises to help improve Ukraine’s relations with Trump. “My only motive—it isn’t to get anybody in trouble who doesn’t deserve to be in trouble,” Giuliani said. “For our country’s sake and your country’s sake, we [need to] get all these facts straight,” he added. “We fix them and we put it behind us.”

The conversation on July 22, 2019, kicked off the campaign of intimidation that resulted in Trump’s first impeachment. For a year and half, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and his aides said little about their interactions with Giuliani, not wanting to anger an emissary of the U.S. President. But now, as the Trump era ends with a historic second impeachment trial, the Ukrainians have begun to speak up about the circumstances that led to the first. They are also taking steps that could imperil Giuliani and his Ukrainian allies.

Igor Novikov, who served as a close adviser to Zelensky during Trump’s first impeachment, says he is willing to assist an ongoing federal investigation of Giuliani that is reportedly underway in New York, as well as a separate effort to strip Giuliani of his license to practice law. Zelensky’s government has taken legal action against Giuliani’s Ukrainian associates. And they have opened up to the media about the pressure campaign mounted by Trump and his allies. On Feb. 3, Novikov sent TIME a transcript of the Giuliani call, whose accuracy TIME has independently verified.

Giuliani did not respond to a detailed list of questions about the transcript of his call with the Ukrainian officials, the Ukrainian support for his disbarment and the federal investigation.

In a series of interviews, Zelensky’s advisers say their motives are not to get even with Giuliani or merely clarify the historical record. Their goal is to rebuild relations with the U.S. now that President Joe Biden has taken office. “The past is the past,” Zelensky told TIME in a statement on Feb. 4. “I care deeply about the future of our relationship with the United States, so I want to focus on that.”

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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