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Posted 20 February 2020 - 10:54 PM

View Postbaw1064, on 20 February 2020 - 09:27 PM, said:

Or, maybe you just need a collapse of the healthcare system, as in a pandemic situation. What happens if 20 million people are sick from coronavirus (or whatever bug is going to appear in the future) but refuse to seek medical attention because they're uninsured?

Of course the Repug answer would be something along the lines like car insurance. If you want to live you must buy health insurance or forfeit your right to live and/or go to jail.
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Posted 21 February 2020 - 07:15 AM

View Postbaw1064, on 20 February 2020 - 09:27 PM, said:

Or, maybe you just need a collapse of the healthcare system, as in a pandemic situation. What happens if 20 million people are sick from coronavirus (or whatever bug is going to appear in the future) but refuse to seek medical attention because they're uninsured?

Or they are insured, but the copay is more than they can spare for "just the flu," and besides the insurance didn't cover half of the charges you got the last time you were in a hospital and you damn sure can't afford that!
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Posted 21 February 2020 - 10:16 AM

View PostAnBr, on 20 February 2020 - 10:54 PM, said:

Of course the Repug answer would be something along the lines like car insurance. If you want to live you must buy health insurance or forfeit your right to live and/or go to jail.

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 21 February 2020 - 07:15 AM, said:

Or they are insured, but the copay is more than they can spare for "just the flu," and besides the insurance didn't cover half of the charges you got the last time you were in a hospital and you damn sure can't afford that!

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Posted 21 February 2020 - 11:27 AM

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Posted 22 February 2020 - 08:14 PM

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“Trump’s a stupid man’s idea of a smart person, a poor man’s idea of a rich person & a weak man’s idea of a strong man.”

— Fran Lebowitz


“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

— Carl Sagan


Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
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Posted 23 February 2020 - 09:06 AM

Is Bernie admitting that? I know that AOC has.

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Posted 23 February 2020 - 01:38 PM

View PostJackD, on 23 February 2020 - 09:06 AM, said:

Is Bernie admitting that? I know that AOC has.

No.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 24 February 2020 - 09:03 PM

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“Trump’s a stupid man’s idea of a smart person, a poor man’s idea of a rich person & a weak man’s idea of a strong man.”

— Fran Lebowitz


“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

— Carl Sagan


Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937

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Posted 16 March 2020 - 04:52 PM

Multiple public experts are pointing out that single-payer systems are coping with the outbreak better than for-profit systems. Here's a bit but there's more in the article.

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“Having a healthcare system that’s a public strategic asset rather than a business run for profit allows for a degree of coordination and optimal use of resources.”

As the coronavirus pandemic places extraordinary strain on national healthcare systems around the world, public health experts are making the case that countries with universal single-payer systems have thus far responded more efficiently and effectively to the outbreak than nations like the United States, whose fragmented for-profit apparatus has struggled to cope with the growing crisis.

“There is no need for people to worry about the tests or vaccine or cost of care if people become ill.”
—Helen Buckingham, Nuffield Trust

“It is too soon to see definite outcomes among competing healthcare systems. But even in this early phase, public health experts say the single-payer, state-run systems are proving themselves relatively robust,” the Washington Post reported Sunday. “Unlike the United States, where a top health official told Congress the rollout of testing was ‘failing‘ and where Congress is only now moving through a bill that includes free testing, the single-payer countries have been especially nimble at making free, or low-cost, virus screening widely available for patients with coughs and fevers.”

While the Trump administration only recently took steps to massively expand COVID-19 testing—sparking concerns that the outbreak in the U.S. is far more severe than official numbers suggest—countries with forms of single-payer healthcare like South Korea and Denmark have for weeks been offering “drive-through” testing and other innovative mechanisms, allowing them to quickly test hundreds of thousands of their citizens and respond accordingly.

“Unhampered government intervention into the healthcare sector is an advantage when the virus is spreading fast across the country,” said Choi Jae-wook, a professor of preventive medicine at Korea University in Seoul.

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"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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Posted 17 March 2020 - 08:07 AM

Posted up by Barry Ritholtz with little comment.

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Posted 17 March 2020 - 10:25 AM

View PostAnBr, on 24 February 2020 - 09:03 PM, said:

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What is this: Truth in Medical Billing modeled after Truth in Advertising? Shocking!





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