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Posted 12 September 2019 - 04:54 PM

Hey, at least they look good for sneaking into the WC. We just lost to Atlanta who got Keuchel, the only decent free-agent pitcher available. But management sat on its hands. They drop $330 on Harper, and wont shore up their horrible pitching? They had to move 3 of their starters to the bullpen or even down to the minors. While Keuchel was there for the taking. Talk about idiocy. The fans are revolting. At least 150 comments after every game, and everyone lambasting the front office.
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Posted 12 September 2019 - 05:10 PM

The deep pocketed health insurance companies are taking out a massive ad buy during the Democratic debate.

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A coalition of major insurance companies and drug manufacturers plans to air a series of ads attacking Medicare for All during the 2020 Democratic presidential debate Thursday night, ensuring the event’s commercial breaks will feature talking points from the corporate interests profiting off America’s dysfunctional for-profit healthcare system.

The Partnership for America’s Health Care Future (PAHCF), which was formed in 2018 to combat Medicare for All, said it will run ads on both ABC and Univision, the two networks hosting the Democratic debate in Houston, Texas.

The coalition said it also plans to “run advertisements on Facebook, Twitter, and Snapchat, as well as a takeover of YouTube’s homepage following the debate.”

The blitz is part of a seven-figure ad buy aimed at perpetuating the right-wing narrative that Medicare of All would increase Americans’ healthcare costs and income taxes.

The Wall Street Journal reported that the ad campaign shows “industry groups view Medicare for All as a serious threat in a 2020 election.”

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Posted 13 September 2019 - 02:16 AM

View PostBeelzebuddy, on 12 September 2019 - 10:48 AM, said:

Enjoy playing them, watching not so much, too boring. I turn on the Dallas Cowboys game and take a nap.

I use golf for that purpose.
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Posted 13 September 2019 - 02:11 PM

NPR did a good review of where the candidates stand on healthcare policy. The more I read the less I like the Sanders version of pure Medicare for All with the push for total elimination of private insurance. I do like that some other candidates who support it at least speak of an incremental approach. I'm much more comfortable with people who think about the realities and not just their utopian case.
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Posted 13 September 2019 - 02:39 PM

View PostLFC, on 13 September 2019 - 02:11 PM, said:

NPR did a good review of where the candidates stand on healthcare policy. The more I read the less I like the Sanders version of pure Medicare for All with the push for total elimination of private insurance. I do like that some other candidates who support it at least speak of an incremental approach. I'm much more comfortable with people who think about the realities and not just their utopian case.

Sen. Warren avoided answering the question on increase in Medicare taxes her plan would require. She said higher income individuals will pay more. Where is her proposed line?

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Posted 13 September 2019 - 03:06 PM

View PostProbabilistic, on 13 September 2019 - 02:39 PM, said:

Sen. Warren avoided answering the question on increase in Medicare taxes her plan would require. She said higher income individuals will pay more. Where is her proposed line?

The devil is always in the details, ain't it?
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Posted 13 September 2019 - 03:29 PM

View PostProbabilistic, on 13 September 2019 - 02:39 PM, said:

Sen. Warren avoided answering the question on increase in Medicare taxes her plan would require. She said higher income individuals will pay more. Where is her proposed line?
Well, her wealth tax would raise $2.5T over a decade.
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Posted 13 September 2019 - 04:55 PM

But that wealth tax is opposed to pay for lots of other expensive programs too. As Frank Bruni cemented today, she was very slippery.

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Posted 13 September 2019 - 11:14 PM

View PostTraveler, on 13 September 2019 - 03:29 PM, said:

Well, her wealth tax would raise $2.5T over a decade.

The Medicare taxes are on income, not wealth. Her wealth tax revenue is already spoken for.

View PostJackD, on 13 September 2019 - 04:55 PM, said:

But that wealth tax is opposed to pay for lots of other expensive programs too. As Frank Bruni cemented today, she was very slippery.

As someone noted on TV, whenever another candidate throws a punch at her, she ducks, it lands on Bernie and inevitably an enraged
Bernie starts shouting in response, she gets away without the need to respond.

Here he was spitting in everyone's supper last night.

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 03:38 PM

More power to her for those moves. But she will have to come clean soon.
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Posted 19 September 2019 - 12:42 PM

The House Dems are going after the Republican gift to Big Pharma, the barring of Medicare to bargain for lower prescription drug prices. If there's any single move that exemplifies the corruption of government in the past few decades this one would definitely be in contention. The staggering billions of taxpayer dollars that this has handed out is a perfect illustration of what's wrong with our medical system here in the U.S.

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House Democrats have officially introduced their big prescription drug pricing plan, but it’s unclear just how much traction it can get in a divided Congress.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi unveiled the proposal on Thursday in a bid to address one of Democrats’ chief 2018 campaign promises: Last fall, lawmakers across the country pledged to bring down the increasingly exorbitant prices voters face for different medications.

According to a summary shared by Pelosi’s office, the Democrats’ proposal would mark a major shift in the way prescription drug prices are set in the US by empowering the federal government to directly negotiate drug prices for Medicare recipients as well as others purchasing the drug.

Under current law, the Health and Human Services Secretary is barred from engaging in negotiations for prescription drugs covered by Medicare, an arrangement established in 2003 as part of the Medicare Modernization Act that set up Medicare’s prescription drug benefit. Presently, private plans that offer Medicare Part D benefits negotiate drug costs independently. But they often lack the leverage to secure the kinds of reductions the government may be able to obtain, given its bargaining power.

Although President Donald Trump has previously expressed interest in getting something done on drug prices, it’s not certain this Democratic plan is something he will get behind. The Democrats’ proposal would significantly expand the government’s role, a move that many Republicans have been wary of in the past. It’s one of several plans lawmakers have floated to curb prescription drug prices, and the latest sign of just how much voters are pushing this issue.

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 11:09 AM

View PostJackD, on 13 September 2019 - 04:55 PM, said:

But that wealth tax is opposed to pay for lots of other expensive programs too. As Frank Bruni cemented today, she was very slippery.
Good, all the Democrats should stay slippery on how to pay for things, the insistence on fully costed platforms with unpopular measures in them that are never going to get anywhere near passing congress is the dumbest thing in US federal politics.
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Posted 21 September 2019 - 12:03 PM

I was thinking it would be nice to tax corporations based on their tax write-offs for employee health benefits. That, I'm guessing would fully fund it once the insurance companies are cut out.

I crack myself up sometimes.

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 01:05 PM

Pretending that expensive programs won't cause increased taxes just gives the Republicans opportunities to accuse Democrats of scamming the electorate. Polling consistently shows that people favor increased benefits of all kinds until the tax consequences are shown. This is particularly true with medical coverage proposals. Senator Warren is very aware of this. Pretending that employers will increase wages when relieved of employee premiums makes employees laugh out loud before they start shouting.

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 01:45 PM

Thus, it's better to have the public option. Corporations can still offer their employees healthcare coverage either by buying into the public variant, offering something like a flexible spending plan, or staying with the current setup.

Note that an increasing number of corporations are cutting out the middleman -- I know of two semiconductor manufacturers (Intel and Microchip) that quite a while ago decided that aside from using an outside claims processor for privacy reasons just pay directly for health care[1]. Self-coverage to the extent possible. If the overhead for WhatsitCare were down in the Medicare/Medicaid range they wouldn't bother because it would likely be on net less than the overhead they're paying now.

[1] They use BC/BS or other major insurers' networks and negotiated rates.
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Posted 22 September 2019 - 05:38 PM

View PostJackD, on 21 September 2019 - 01:05 PM, said:

Pretending that expensive programs won't cause increased taxes just gives the Republicans opportunities to accuse Democrats of scamming the electorate. Polling consistently shows that people favor increased benefits of all kinds until the tax consequences are shown. This is particularly true with medical coverage proposals. Senator Warren is very aware of this. Pretending that employers will increase wages when relieved of employee premiums makes employees laugh out loud before they start shouting.
I guess Republicans can yell at you for promising to increase taxes or they can yell at you for promising things that they say will increase your taxes.

I confess that in my mental model of the persuadable voter the assertion by a Republican that a Democrat will raise your taxes is a given, while tape of a Democrat saying they will raise your taxes has more power.
And in my mental model of a Democratic Party supporting low-propensity voter the whole idea of pay-fors just isn't that important, they just would want to hear an uncompromising policy position that they like.
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Posted 23 September 2019 - 06:44 AM

View PostJ-CA, on 22 September 2019 - 05:38 PM, said:

And in my mental model of a Democratic Party supporting low-propensity voter . . .

I really had to work hard to parse this as "low-propensity voter who supports the Democratic Party". I take it that is actually what you meant?

I spent 30 seconds trying to parse it as "Democratic party supporting the low-propensity voter". Wen I finally gave up and parsed it as in my previous paragraph, I was in a foul mood.

I'll stop there and leave the issue with you.
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Posted 23 September 2019 - 07:44 AM

View Postindy, on 21 September 2019 - 12:03 PM, said:

I was thinking it would be nice to tax corporations based on their tax write-offs for employee health benefits. That, I'm guessing would fully fund it once the insurance companies are cut out.

I crack myself up sometimes.
You certainly do. The employer tax deduction of $280b/y pays for a LOT of coverage.
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Posted 23 September 2019 - 07:46 AM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 23 September 2019 - 06:44 AM, said:

I really had to work hard to parse this as "low-propensity voter who supports the Democratic Party". I take it that is actually what you meant?

I spent 30 seconds trying to parse it as "Democratic party supporting the low-propensity voter". Wen I finally gave up and parsed it as in my previous paragraph, I was in a foul mood.

I'll stop there and leave the issue with you.
Yeah, my head hurt too. I also gave up. Sometimes J-CA doesnt like commas or periods.
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Posted 23 September 2019 - 10:16 AM

I took it as simply a voter that supports the Dems, at least their policies, but is less likely to actually vote. There are a lot of them.

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Even with the country rubes falling for the right-wing media I suspect that this is still true.
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