

Obamacare & Healthcare in America (was Tales of People Screwed by...)
#1
Posted 06 January 2014 - 04:13 PM
http://www.healthins...e-horror-story/
http://www.healthins...acares-victims/
They linked to some other bogus "I'm paying more for less" stories:
http://prospect.org/...re-victim-story
http://www.newshound...ort_of_10302013
Under the ACA you really might not be able to keep your insurance so Obama was absolutely wrong. Looking at some of these so-called "policies" that left people vastly underinsured (potentially sticking everybody else with their bills if they need large amounts of care), I'm very happy that he was.
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#2
Posted 06 January 2014 - 04:58 PM
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices" Voltaire
#3
Posted 06 January 2014 - 05:33 PM
Second "worst" was the reporter, who admitted to not really knowing anything about Obamacare when she wrote this piece and to having culled her sources from third parties, but never looking into who her sources were, let alone checking anything in their stories. She even admitted that she finished this piece (assignment to finished, submitted copy) in a day and half. I bet Mahar- a seasoned writer and trained journalist- wanted to jump across the phone line and throttle the twit.
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#4
Posted 06 January 2014 - 05:46 PM
My statements are not designed to excuse the shoddy work, but to explain some of the circumstances that can lead to it.
#5
Posted 06 January 2014 - 05:50 PM
Traveler, on 06 January 2014 - 04:58 PM, said:
Or, as in the case a few times with CNN, just use Faux news as a wire service.
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#6
Posted 06 January 2014 - 05:51 PM
golden_valley, on 06 January 2014 - 05:46 PM, said:
My statements are not designed to excuse the shoddy work, but to explain some of the circumstances that can lead to it.
I had a several paragraph rant on this subject at the bottom of my last post, but deleted it as too rambling. While it's easy to bang on the MSM for all the faults, you point out the reason for much of it. And while people cry about the death of the 4th estate, it's a good idea for them to look in the mirror. Chances are, the reflection is of one of millions who helped stab it in the heart when they decided that "fast, free and cheap" infotainment was better and more exciting than sound journalism.
---Julia Child
--- On September 17, 1787, as Benjamin Franklin was leaving the deliberations of the Constitutional Convention, at Independence Hall, in Philadelphia, a woman called out to him, saying, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?”
“A republic,” Franklin said, “if you can keep it.”
--- LFC, on Gorsuch ruling: "Awesome. A Christianist who swore an oath to uphold the laws of the nation and bore false witness when he did it"
--- "Write hard and clear about what hurts"
Ernest Hemingway
#7
Posted 06 January 2014 - 05:59 PM
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices" Voltaire
#8
Posted 06 January 2014 - 06:04 PM
LFC, on 06 January 2014 - 04:13 PM, said:
http://www.healthins...e-horror-story/
http://www.healthins...acares-victims/
They linked to some other bogus "I'm paying more for less" stories:
http://prospect.org/...re-victim-story
http://www.newshound...ort_of_10302013
Under the ACA you really might not be able to keep your insurance so Obama was absolutely wrong. Looking at some of these so-called "policies" that left people vastly underinsured (potentially sticking everybody else with their bills if they need large amounts of care), I'm very happy that he was.
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#9
Posted 07 January 2014 - 01:42 PM
http://www.motherjon...rolled-medicaid
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Paul then extrapolated from his son's experience to make a general point about Kentucky's health exchange: "Most of the people in Kentucky are getting automatically enrolled in Medicaid."
Conservative websites latched onto Paul's claim as the latest example of Obamacare's failures. There's one problem, though: Paul's story doesn't make sense. No one is being automatically enrolled for Medicaid in Kentucky, says Jill Midkiff, communications director for the state's health department. "We're not automatically enrolling people," Midkiff explains. "People have to actually go and apply."
It seems that Rand keeps getting caught in one lie after another. I thought this guy wanted to be President. Does he really think he can run a campaign of outright fabrications like Mitt Romney but be successful? Well, it is politics so maybe he can but it doesn't seem to be a very smart approach.
"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."
"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer
""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer
#10
Posted 07 January 2014 - 01:51 PM
LFC, on 06 January 2014 - 04:13 PM, said:
http://www.healthins...e-horror-story/
http://www.healthins...acares-victims/
They linked to some other bogus "I'm paying more for less" stories:
http://prospect.org/...re-victim-story
http://www.newshound...ort_of_10302013
Under the ACA you really might not be able to keep your insurance so Obama was absolutely wrong. Looking at some of these so-called "policies" that left people vastly underinsured (potentially sticking everybody else with their bills if they need large amounts of care), I'm very happy that he was.
I think in a lot of these stories they mush together policy costs and deductibles. And may or may not account for available subsidies.
There *are* cases of well-off people with individual policies with in favorable risk pools, now paying more because of community rating.
It did happen here. - Banty 11/9/2016
#11
Posted 07 January 2014 - 01:54 PM
#12
Posted 07 January 2014 - 01:59 PM
golden_valley, on 07 January 2014 - 01:54 PM, said:
I haven't heard it said straight on, that that group that *is* paying more due to community rating, are exactly those whose former good fortune was build on the bankruptcies and graves of others.
It did happen here. - Banty 11/9/2016
#13
Posted 07 January 2014 - 02:10 PM
I'd really like to see a Senator haul Rand's ass on the carpet on the Senate floor for this outlandish lie. The best way to police this stuff properly, imo, is for the body to shine a light when one of their own misleads/lies to the American people. Can't spend all their time combatting all of each other's BS, but the historic nature of the ACA seems to warrant an all-out "outing" of Paul's lies.
---Julia Child
--- On September 17, 1787, as Benjamin Franklin was leaving the deliberations of the Constitutional Convention, at Independence Hall, in Philadelphia, a woman called out to him, saying, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?”
“A republic,” Franklin said, “if you can keep it.”
--- LFC, on Gorsuch ruling: "Awesome. A Christianist who swore an oath to uphold the laws of the nation and bore false witness when he did it"
--- "Write hard and clear about what hurts"
Ernest Hemingway
#14
Posted 07 January 2014 - 02:12 PM
But far be it from MSM taking on such a task.
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices" Voltaire
#16
Posted 07 January 2014 - 02:19 PM
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices" Voltaire
#17
Posted 07 January 2014 - 02:19 PM
J-CA, on 07 January 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices" Voltaire
#18
Posted 07 January 2014 - 02:24 PM

#19
Posted 07 January 2014 - 02:58 PM
LFC, on 07 January 2014 - 01:42 PM, said:
http://www.motherjon...rolled-medicaid
It seems that Rand keeps getting caught in one lie after another. I thought this guy wanted to be President. Does he really think he can run a campaign of outright fabrications like Mitt Romney but be successful? Well, it is politics so maybe he can but it doesn't seem to be a very smart approach.
It is possible what he means is that he found that his son did not qualify for any policies in the state exchanges because he qualified for Medicaid?
ed) or, effectively so, as they would not in that case qualify for subsidies:
""In general, individuals with income below 138 [percent] of the federal poverty level [about $15,000 for an individual] may qualify for Medicaid coverage," Midkiff says. "However, individuals at any income level…can still purchase coverage directly from insurers. They can also still purchase through the exchange—they just have to pay full price. They are not required to enroll in a plan through Kynect unless they are enrolling in Medicaid or seeking subsidies."
It kinda depends on what exactly he means.
Edited by Banty, 07 January 2014 - 03:00 PM.
It did happen here. - Banty 11/9/2016
#20
Posted 07 January 2014 - 03:16 PM
This also raises another good point which was discussed on Maddow last night. This the "churning" that goes on with folks who earn enough with a summer job to disqualify for medicaid, then fall back onto the rolls, sometimes several times a year. This is considered perhaps the worst potential problem of ACA, as there is a real discontinuity at the cutoff point. This is something that should be fixed, but not likely while POGers are listening to the likes of Paul and FWST etc. Perhaps can be resolved administratively, but not sure about that. This is something folks should be paying attention to.
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices" Voltaire
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