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#1 hisgirlfriday

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 10:02 PM

So it's not enough for Kansas legislators that even private health insurance is banned from covering abortion in regular medical insurance plans in that state.

It's not enough that women who want that coverage have to take out a special policy that covers abortion, even if they have to get an abortion for medical reasons.

Now they want to put a sales tax on abortions in the state.

And EVEN WORSE they want to give doctors permission to lie to women about their health situation to ensure they don't get an abortion.

From Huffington Post:

Among other provisions in the proposed legislation are measures allowing doctors to withhold from patients medical information that might encourage them to seek an abortion and prohibiting malpractice suits if the woman or the child suffers a health complication as a result of information being withheld. A wrongful death lawsuit could be filed if the mother dies. The bill also would require doctors to tell women that abortion causes breast cancer and would prohibit state employees from performing abortions on the job.

Language in the bill that could jeopardize the accreditation of the OB-GYN residency program at the University of Kansas Medical Center is unlikely to be amended during the committee's hearing Thursday.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 10:10 PM

Wait... Sales tax? As in the gov't gets a cut? What planet are these people from?
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Posted 08 March 2012 - 10:17 PM

View Postsweatyb, on 08 March 2012 - 10:10 PM, said:

Wait... Sales tax? As in the gov't gets a cut? What planet are these people from?

That's the least of the problems honestly.
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Posted 08 March 2012 - 10:33 PM

Among other provisions in the proposed legislation are measures allowing doctors to withhold from patients medical information that might encourage them to seek an abortion

The bill also would require doctors to tell women that abortion causes breast cancer


So, the first line above allows doctors to withhold information from patients and the second line requires them to lie to the patients. What the fuck is the point of going to the damn doctor at all if someone isn't going to get honest and safe care?

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 10:35 PM

If Republicans stay in power much longer, it won't be long before women seeking abortions simply will be burned at the stake -

after the baby is born of course.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 06:57 AM

What we are witnessing are the death throes of a political party and movement. The more they face the reality that they are out of date and out of touch and soon to be out of power, the more they overreach and power-grab for whatever they can.

There may be some dark days in the near future for those who value freedom and equality. But in the long run, these moves will backfire and society will move on, either dragging these neanderthals with it, or leaving them behind to slowly die off.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 08:41 AM

Either the party schisms and you have a traditional moneyed party and a radical constitutionalist party who then battle it out, or the party simply convulses and dies. Either way will be messy, but I'm really hoping we eventually wind up with a conservative party which is sane, rational, and willing to promote the national interest over partisan gain. The idea of democrats in complete control is scary, though nowhere near as scary as the idea that the GOP could take power.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 09:02 AM


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What we are witnessing are the death throes of a political party and movement. The more they face the reality that they are out of date and out of touch and soon to be out of power, the more they overreach and power-grab for whatever they can.



I always think that but then I think of the money. Never underestimate the power of corporations or the Citizens United Ruling. We are entering a new age of disinformation and unlimited campaign funding. Pump enough money into a candidate's campaign, run a vicious cycle of effective (definitely dishonest) ads and you may just win.


Also, you should never underestimate the sheer ignorance, gullibility and hate based choices of the American voter.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 09:05 AM

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There may be some dark days in the near future for those who value freedom and equality. But in the long run, these moves will backfire and society will move on, either dragging these neanderthals with it, or leaving them behind to slowly die off.

There will always be a whore willing to do anything for money. We will probably be cursed with these destructive/obstructive fools forever. There will always be a degenerate manipulator willing to wrap anything in the flag or the Bible for their own political or financial benefit.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 09:06 AM

View Postdavisss13, on 09 March 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

Also, you should never underestimate the sheer ignorance, gullibility and hate based choices of the American voter.

Oh, I don't. But I also look at demographics.

Most of the people who are propping up the current right-wing hate machine are old and white. They are dying off, and over time their influence will diminish.

The world will modernize with or without them. It will take some time, but let's remember our progress as well -- this cycle is about the re-election of a half-black guy with the middle name "Hussein" who has Kenyan roots and was raised by a Muslim in Indonesia.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 09:17 AM

View Postcmk, on 09 March 2012 - 06:57 AM, said:

What we are witnessing are the death throes of a political party and movement. The more they face the reality that they are out of date and out of touch and soon to be out of power, the more they overreach and power-grab for whatever they can.

There may be some dark days in the near future for those who value freedom and equality. But in the long run, these moves will backfire and society will move on, either dragging these neanderthals with it, or leaving them behind to slowly die off.

I essentially agree with the overall point, but I think the abortion issue is different from, say, for example, the gay marriage issue. Gay marriage is clearly going to happen. Every poll show a seismic shift in public opinion. On abortion, that isn't happening and in fact it seems to be going the other way if anything:

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And if you drill down, you see the number of people who think abortion should be illegal except in the extreme cases of rape or mother's health going slowly up. So really, what I think is happening here is that the pro-life movement senses a bit of an opportunity and they are pushing to take advantage of it.

P.S. There are some fairly funny reports that some people don't understand what 'pro-life' and 'pro-choice' really mean, and they actually respond opposite the way they intend to.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 09:24 AM

I'd need to see more data but that is definitely an interesting and disturbing trend. Thanks.

I still think that you can be against abortion without believing it should be illegal, and that in fact that is how many people feel about the issue. That could be reflected in those numbers.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 09:29 AM

Yeah, it's difficult I agree to get a real handle on it, because you also see 'personhood' initiatives going down in flames, which isn't what you would expect.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 09:52 AM

I think Obama hinted at the evolution of this subject a bit in 2008 when he talked a lot about initiatives to reduce the *need* for abortion, rather than outlawing the procedure.

The right is taking absolutely the wrong tack on the whole matter, which at this point is, well, to be expected.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 11:02 AM

View Postcmk, on 09 March 2012 - 09:52 AM, said:

I think Obama hinted at the evolution of this subject a bit in 2008 when he talked a lot about initiatives to reduce the *need* for abortion, rather than outlawing the procedure.

The right is taking absolutely the wrong tack on the whole matter, which at this point is, well, to be expected.

Yes, I think so too. Really, this seemingly contradictory data isn't when viewed in that context. I think what the graph above really says is that, given the relatively inexpensive options of birth control and the morning after pill, people are starting to view abortions as 'i changed my mind' and they are against that kind of abortion in general. Yet they understand instinctively that 'personhood' initiatives are designed to eliminate the morning after option and they don't like that either.

Which is why I think the whole contraceptive debate was such a horrible misstep for the GOP. They only got 43% or so of the women's vote in 2008 and they might be in the thirties now, which means they need something like 7 or so out of every 10 men to vote Republican.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 11:14 AM

In that case, the GOP needs to promise every man unlimited Viagra and underwrite the cost of the 'male enhancement' pills.

I still think that if the women want to score some points, propose laws that require a DNA sample be taken from every child born out of wedlock (paying special attention to minor girls) so that if / when the father's DNA comes up in the system, said fathers can be forced to pony up for the cost of child support, and if the mother was underage, the father should be looking at serious prison time. It will be REALLY hard for the fundies to come up with objections to that, but given that their entire mindset is based on female guilt and male freedom, I'm sure the arguments raised will be both specious and amusing . . .
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 11:59 AM

View Postcmk, on 09 March 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:

I still think that you can be against abortion without believing it should be illegal, and that in fact that is how many people feel about the issue. That could be reflected in those numbers.

I think there are many people who think abortion is wrong and would say so ... but still want it to be legal just in case they want or need one.

When the choice comes down to 'ruining' your life with an unplanned pregnancy, for example as a young unmarried woman, or mature woman whose other kids are almost out of the house, sometimes the difficult choice against one's conscience will be made. Many may not like abortion, but they still want the open option. Life is full of complicated decisions not easily made.
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