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Posted 02 March 2021 - 02:52 PM

 golden_valley, on 02 March 2021 - 01:08 PM, said:

Oh I didn't perceive the source. Of course my acquaintance with Ossinging comes from MadMen. It's where Don Draper and his family lived for a while.
...which was back when Old Sparky was still in use. If it's still functional, maybe they could dress it up with gold as a throne, as bait... "Sit down here, Mr. President"
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Posted 02 March 2021 - 06:13 PM

 pnwguy, on 02 March 2021 - 02:52 PM, said:

...which was back when Old Sparky was still in use. If it's still functional, maybe they could dress it up with gold as a throne, as bait... "Sit down here, Mr. President"

Well, gold is a good conductor.
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Posted 03 March 2021 - 01:21 PM

I figured this was as good a place as any to drop lawsuits as well. He was just served with a civil rights lawsuit.

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Attorneys for Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS) and the NAACP have served former President Donald Trump at his Mar-a-Lago club with a lawsuit filed against him in February.

Thompson and the NAACP filed suit against Trump alleging that his incendiary rhetoric and false claims of a “stolen” election amounted to a conspiracy to interfere with civil rights by inciting the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol.

The suit names Trump alongside his attorney Rudy Giuliani and the right wing extremist groups, the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers, as co-defendants and builds off the 1871 “Klan Act,” which was “intended to protect against conspiracies, through violence and intimidation, that sought to prevent Members of Congress from discharging their official duties,” according to a complaint.

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Posted 09 March 2021 - 02:46 PM

Trump is being investigated for a "forgiven loan" that let him off the hook to the tune of about $250M in principal and interest. Per IRS rules that is income but somehow he magically avoided paying taxes on almost all of it.

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As its investigation into the former president continues, the Manhattan district attorney’s office is eyeing the loan the Trump Organization received from a hedge fund and private equity company for its eponymous Chicago skyscraper.

Documents subpoenaed late last year from Fortress Investment Management, first reported by CNN Monday night, are related to the $130 million loan the company made to the Trump Organization for the construction of a luxury hotel and condo tower in downtown Chicago.

The documents could be a critical piece in puzzling together ways that Trump persuaded lenders to cut him a break after defaulting on loans, which he may not have recorded as income as required by the Internal Revenue Service.

The New York Times previously reported that before Trump defaulted on the loan from Fortress, the company had expected to receive more than $300 million from the Trump Organization that included the $130 million in principal and roughly $185 million in anticipated interest and fees.

According to the Times, Fortress settled for $48 million, which Trump wired to the firm in March 2012.

The IRS requires taxpayers to treat forgiven debts as income when calculating what they owe in federal taxes, a concern taken up by New York Attorney General Letitia James, who disclosed in a court filing back in the fall that it was investigating whether Trump and the Trump Organization recorded the forgiven amount as income and had paid required the taxes.

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"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 16 March 2021 - 01:52 PM

What happens when you tick someone off and they have no reason to "repay your loyalty"



Trump's CFO's ex-daughter-in-law is cooperating with prosecutors and 'refuses to be silenced,' her lawyer says

An attorney representing the former daughter-in-law of the Trump Organization's CFO, Allen Weisselberg, says she's cooperating with prosecutors conducting an inquiry into Donald Trump's finances and "refuses to be silenced."
Jennifer Weisselberg "is committed to speaking the truth, no matter how difficult that may be," her attorney, Duncan Levin, told Insider in a statement. "She will continue to cooperate fully with the various law-enforcement agencies that are investigating her ex-husband's family and the very powerful interests they represent."
"Jennifer refuses to be silenced any longer by those who are conspiring to prevent her from sharing what she has learned over the past 25 years," Levin added



Trump's CFO's ex-daughter-in-law is cooperating with prosecutors and 'refuses to be silenced,' her lawyer says (msn.com)
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Posted 16 March 2021 - 02:04 PM

This is going to be Russia Investigations - Part Deux. Lot of sound and fury yielding nothing. When time comes those in charge will baulk: too much trouble to punish. Powers that be will find another fig leaf now that he no longer has Presidential immunity (which is a wholly made up thing afforded to Presidents who can cause trouble).

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Posted 16 March 2021 - 02:28 PM

View PostProbabilistic, on 16 March 2021 - 02:04 PM, said:

This is going to be Russia Investigations - Part Deux. Lot of sound and fury yielding nothing.

I don't think so. I think Vance is going to pick the few cherries that are simple and slam-dunk, and don't require following a tangled web of corporate layering that can be used to confuse a jury. He may tie their asses up with that kind of thing later but he'll go with the items that are easiest to explain to a layperson. Reporting two different property values, the high one to get a loan and the low one for tax purposes, is a good example. "He just picked two totally different numbers for the value of the same thing!" is easy to explain.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 16 March 2021 - 02:39 PM

View PostLFC, on 16 March 2021 - 02:28 PM, said:

I don't think so. I think Vance is going to pick the few cherries that are simple and slam-dunk, and don't require following a tangled web of corporate layering that can be used to confuse a jury. He may tie their asses up with that kind of thing later but he'll go with the items that are easiest to explain to a layperson. Reporting two different property values, the high one to get a loan and the low one for tax purposes, is a good example. "He just picked two totally different numbers for the value of the same thing!" is easy to explain.

Proving criminality is not the difficult part. Holding Trump to account is. First getting a jury verdict would be difficult - prosecutors like to avoid such large uncertainty. He is too big to jail. Not worth the trouble he would foment. Bury him in the dustbin of history and move on would be the easy out.

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Posted 16 March 2021 - 04:08 PM

Not that he's a complete expert but Preet Bhara (former Southern District NY Atty Gen) opined that Vance wouldn't be moving forward with this unless he had some concrete charges ready to go before he leaves office.

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Posted 24 March 2021 - 09:03 AM

Cohen assesses prosecutors have enough to charge Trump with or without Weisselberg

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You're gonna see very soon, in my opinion, indictments start flying.

https://www.msnbc.co...rg-108845637779
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Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

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On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


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Posted 24 March 2021 - 09:33 AM

View PostAnBr, on 24 March 2021 - 09:03 AM, said:

Cohen assesses prosecutors have enough to charge Trump with or without Weisselberg

Sounds like the clock for Weisselberg's full cooperation could be running out. As Samuel L. Jackson said in Hitman's Bodyguard, "Tick-tock, motherf***er!"
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 24 March 2021 - 10:43 AM

View PostLFC, on 24 March 2021 - 09:33 AM, said:

Sounds like the clock for Weisselberg's full cooperation could be running out. As Samuel L. Jackson said in Hitman's Bodyguard, "Tick-tock, motherf***er!"

I doubt Weisselberg is talking. Cohen, on the other hand, likes to hear himself talking.

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Posted 24 March 2021 - 11:10 AM

Though I'm certain Trump has committed a boatload of serious crimes, I rather doubt he will ever pay the piper for them.

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Posted 24 March 2021 - 12:12 PM

And- I prefer he stay in the dark. Yes. He's a financial criminal, among other things. But I prefer him to go into accounting Hell on Earth, and disappear. ///////the less said about him. the better.
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Posted 24 March 2021 - 12:17 PM

View PostPractical Girl, on 24 March 2021 - 12:12 PM, said:

And- I prefer he stay in the dark. Yes. He's a financial criminal, among other things. But I prefer him to go into accounting Hell on Earth, and disappear. ///////the less said about him. the better.

The two entities threatened by Trump's relative absence from the public sphere are the media and the division of Pfizer which makes Nexium.

Soon, media's love affair with Biden will end and they will make his life hell.

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Posted 06 April 2021 - 08:41 AM

https://www.msnbc.co...ck-109704773730
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“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

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Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

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“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

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On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

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Second inaugural address January, 1937

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Posted 06 April 2021 - 09:52 AM

ActBlue did a little of that trickery, too, in 2016 hiding a monthly charge with a pre-filled check box. But apparently it was nowhere in the vicinity of what WinRed did in terms of dollars. I won't snigger at the folks that fell for it. It wasn't easy to see what they were agreeing to. The NYT article had examples that I can see are misleading, hiding the little checked box inside a big yellow box with dense text. I'd think clicking on the big yellow box would set up weekly donations and not even see the little checked box. This is especially true for people who aren't accustomed to looking for such trickery.

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Posted 06 April 2021 - 11:39 AM

View Postgolden_valley, on 06 April 2021 - 09:52 AM, said:

I won't snigger at the folks that fell for it.

I'm not sniggering at them not seeing the checkbox. I'm sniggering at them believing that Trump was looking out for their interests. That's a serious level of stupid.
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Posted 06 April 2021 - 02:14 PM

View PostLFC, on 06 April 2021 - 11:39 AM, said:

I'm not sniggering at them not seeing the checkbox. I'm sniggering at them believing that Trump was looking out for their interests. That's a serious level of stupid.

But..but.. antifa goons employed by corporate giants as programmers set out to ruin the good folks checked those tiny boxes. They're to blame for it.





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