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#1 AnBr

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 11:08 PM

The Rachel Maddow Show

February 19 at 7:33 PM ·

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The lawyer who almost literally wrote the book on racketeering law has been hired by the Manhattan district attorney.

He wasn't looking for a job, he already works at an acclaimed law firm handling high profile white collar clients.

But he took this one gig, to work just one case: Donald Trump.


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Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

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On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


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Posted 23 February 2021 - 11:02 AM

View PostAnBr, on 22 February 2021 - 11:08 PM, said:


Husband and I were speculating about this. Was he hired just so Trump couldn't hire him as defense attorney? Is he billing his usual defense attorney hourly rate (which will probably be much higher than anything government service lawyers would ever get paid)? Is he simply advising or is he actively working the file? I guess we'll have to wait to find out.

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Posted 23 February 2021 - 12:41 PM

View Postgolden_valley, on 23 February 2021 - 11:02 AM, said:

Husband and I were speculating about this. Was he hired just so Trump couldn't hire him as defense attorney? Is he billing his usual defense attorney hourly rate (which will probably be much higher than anything government service lawyers would ever get paid)? Is he simply advising or is he actively working the file? I guess we'll have to wait to find out.

Maybe he's bucking for US Attorney in the Southern District. Would look good on the resume.

Idle thoughts: I bet his firm didn't want to touch the Trump case because:

1. They hang around the power brokers. Probably heard enough to know Pres Trump is two steps from being fried.

2. Based on the Trump family track record, his firm wasn't going to do this pro bono.
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"I can't go out because of the virus" sounds whiny and boring. I'm going with: "I've sworn an oath of solitude until the pestilence is purged from the lands." because it sounds more valiant and heroic. As a bonus, people might think you're carrying a sword.

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I get it. They had a guy ratf**k the post office. They filled the courts with hacks. They spent a ton of money. They filed so many lawsuits. They even started a riot ! It’s so unfair that they went to all that trouble and still lost. Anonymous

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Posted 23 February 2021 - 01:52 PM

View Postandydp, on 23 February 2021 - 12:41 PM, said:

Maybe he's bucking for US Attorney in the Southern District. Would look good on the resume.

Idle thoughts: I bet his firm didn't want to touch the Trump case because:

1. They hang around the power brokers. Probably heard enough to know Pres Trump is two steps from being fried.

2. Based on the Trump family track record, his firm wasn't going to do this pro bono.

Graduated from law school in 1975 so he could be in his late 60's. He was of counsel status so he's not an income partner anymore. For some lawyers that is just cruising along until he decides to retire. This only means he doesn't have to spend a lot of time trolling for new clients. Depending on the firm's structure he won't be making as much as an income partner but he isn't suffering. Unless it's for ego, he doesn't need to be a US Atty.

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Posted 23 February 2021 - 09:01 PM

Maybe he has a personal bone to pick with tRump or simply hates him.
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“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

— Carl Sagan


Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

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The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

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Posted 24 February 2021 - 08:29 AM

 AnBr, on 23 February 2021 - 09:01 PM, said:

Maybe he has a personal bone to pick with tRump or simply hates him.

Maybe he's a patriot who loves his country and believes in the law. Which, now that I've typed it, I see could easily translate to him simply hating Trump.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 25 February 2021 - 02:21 PM

Cy Vance got a lot more than just the tax returns.

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Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance has obtained former President Trump’s tax returns after a years-long fight for the financial records, Vance’s office confirmed to TPM.

The move caps an effort that began after a grand jury empaneled by the Manhattan prosecutor issued a subpoena for the records in August 2019.

Vance spokesman Danny Frost told TPM that the records were seized on Monday after the Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal from the former president in the matter. The documents span millions of pages, CNN and NBC reported.

In enforcing the subpoena, Vance got Trump’s tax returns, extending from January 2011 to August 2019. But he got more: He also obtained access to reams of work papers surrounding the tax returns’ preparation, financial statements from the Trump organization, engagement agreements, and other communications around the documents’ preparation.

The seizure marks a victory for Vance after a long battle in which the Supreme Court effectively allowed Trump to delay the state criminal investigation until after his presidential term concluded.

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"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 25 February 2021 - 02:23 PM

Don Jr. has been deposed over misuse of inaugural funds. Depositions are apparently stepping all over each other. What a shitshow.

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Former President Donald Trump’s son Don Jr. was deposed as part of the District of Columbia’s lawsuit alleging the misuse of Trump inaugural funds, according to a court filing.

Court documents first reported by CNN show that the former President’s son was deposed on Feb. 11 and answered questions about a contract signed by the Trump Organization for a block of hotel rooms at the Loews Madison Hotel in Washington during the week of the 2017 inauguration.

The news of Don Jr’s deposition comes as reports show the eldest of Trump’s sons has also become increasingly embroiled in a separate criminal investigation by the Manhattan district attorney’s office into the former president and his company.

Don Jr., who serves as the Trump Organization’s executive vice president, took the reins of the family business alongside his brother Eric Trump during his father’s term in the White House.

The D.C. attorney general’s office alleges in the filing that the Trump Organization signed a contract with the Loews Madison hotel for roughly $50,000 for a block of rooms during the 2017 inauguration, and that the invoice was later forwarded to the Presidential Inaugural Committee and paid.

The filing states that Trump’s deposition “raised further questions” about the nature of the invoice and, simultaneously, revealed new evidence that defendants had not yet been able to produce.

The D.C. attorney general’s office has requested to have more time to obtain discovery materials and conduct depositions, citing “repeated obstacles,” that included “misleading testimony.”

While 10 witnesses have been deposed in the case, only three were able to testify about the Trump Presidential Inaugural Committee’s payment of the Loews Madison invoice, the attorney general’s office noted in the filing.

“These witnesses gave inconsistent accounts of the purpose of the contract and why the PIC agreed to pay it, and none of the witnesses gave a complete or accurate account of the circumstances surrounding the invoice,” the filing stated.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 25 February 2021 - 06:04 PM

View PostLFC, on 25 February 2021 - 02:23 PM, said:

Don Jr. has been deposed over misuse of inaugural funds. Depositions are apparently stepping all over each other. What a shitshow.
Thoughts and prayers for deliverance from this Witch Hunt.... NOT
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Posted 25 February 2021 - 06:57 PM

View Postpnwguy, on 25 February 2021 - 06:04 PM, said:

Thoughts and prayers for deliverance from this Witch Hunt.... NOT

As we've said here before, no problem with a witch hunt that keeps finding witches.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 25 February 2021 - 06:58 PM

We should call him "Junior Don" as befitting an NY crime family.
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Posted 25 February 2021 - 07:04 PM

View PostLFC, on 25 February 2021 - 06:57 PM, said:

As we've said here before, no problem with a witch hunt that keeps finding witches.


“Trump’s a stupid man’s idea of a smart person, a poor man’s idea of a rich person & a weak man’s idea of a strong man.”

— Fran Lebowitz


“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

— Carl Sagan


Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
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Posted 25 February 2021 - 08:16 PM

View PostLFC, on 25 February 2021 - 06:57 PM, said:

As we've said here before, no problem with a witch hunt that keeps finding witches.

Can we turn them to newts or just give them a water questioning. ?
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"I can't go out because of the virus" sounds whiny and boring. I'm going with: "I've sworn an oath of solitude until the pestilence is purged from the lands." because it sounds more valiant and heroic. As a bonus, people might think you're carrying a sword.

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Its theorized if you put enough monkeys together with typewriters, eventually they'll write Shakespeare. But first, they write Trump speeches.

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What separates the winners from the losers is how a person reacts to each new twist of fate.

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Pres Donald J Trump, Joint Base Andrews 1/20/21


I get it. They had a guy ratf**k the post office. They filled the courts with hacks. They spent a ton of money. They filed so many lawsuits. They even started a riot ! It’s so unfair that they went to all that trouble and still lost. Anonymous

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Posted 25 February 2021 - 09:39 PM

View Postbaw1064, on 25 February 2021 - 06:58 PM, said:

We should call him "Junior Don" as befitting an NY crime family.
Or "Skinny Don" in contrast to "Fat Donny", the godfather himself.
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Posted 02 March 2021 - 09:21 AM

New York is digging deeper into the criminal activity of the Trump Organization.

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State prosecutors in Manhattan who are investigating former President Donald Trump and his company are deepening their investigation into the Trump Organization’s chief financial officer, The New York Times reported late Monday.

Two people familiar with the fresh focus on Allen Weisselberg, told the Times that prosecutors working for the Manhattan district attorney, Cy Vance, have been interviewing witnesses who know Weisselberg and have asked at least one witness about the financial executive’s sons Barry and Jack Weisselberg.

The district attorney’s office has not accused Weisselberg or his sons of any wrongdoing, but the heat on Weisselberg, the company’s longest serving chief financial officer, could create pressure to win his cooperation in the investigation if prosecutors find any evidence of wrongdoing that is traced back to him.

Barry Weisselberg has been the property manager of Trump Wollman Rink in Central Park, and Jack works at Ladder Capital, one of Trump’s biggest lenders who sold its Trump Organization loans to investors, according to the Times.

The development of the increased focus on Weisselberg, comes after the Manhattan district attorney’s office scored a win when the Supreme Court rejected Trump’s request to block a subpoena for his financial records.

Prosecutors are examining whether Trump and the Trump Organization tried to falsely alter property values to obtain loans and tax benefits. Prosecutors are also looking into the Trump Organization’s statements to insurance companies about the value of various assets.

In addition to potential financial crimes, the investigation has also focused on hush money payments made during the 2016 presidential campaign that might involved Weisselberg.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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Posted 02 March 2021 - 11:44 AM

View PostLFC, on 02 March 2021 - 09:21 AM, said:

New York is digging deeper into the criminal activity of the Trump Organization.
Is "Sing Sing" still operational? Maybe they could start working on a new ex-president suite. I'm guessing the Secret Service would still have to protect the Orange Jumpsuit King.

But hey, he already knows how to incite a riot, so maybe he could bust out. Use the riot as a distraction, while the Proud Boys complete their 500 foot tunnel into cell block Q and whisk the Chosen One to Saudi Arabia. He'll get more power from that glowing orb and descend back to DC, in a golden escalator from the clouds.
"All glory to the HypnoTrump, or else..."

"It all makes sense when you remind yourself that the GOP is no longer a political party but turned into an organized crime family"

"I hope to live long enough that the name Trump is reviled as much as the name Hitler or Stalin"

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Posted 02 March 2021 - 12:03 PM

View Postpnwguy, on 02 March 2021 - 11:44 AM, said:

Is "Sing Sing" still operational? Maybe they could start working on a new ex-president suite. I'm guessing the Secret Service would still have to protect the Orange Jumpsuit King.

But hey, he already knows how to incite a riot, so maybe he could bust out. Use the riot as a distraction, while the Proud Boys complete their 500 foot tunnel into cell block Q and whisk the Chosen One to Saudi Arabia. He'll get more power from that glowing orb and descend back to DC, in a golden escalator from the clouds.
Sounds like an interesting movie plot...maybe a straight escape caper or a satirical look at a crazy ex president.

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Posted 02 March 2021 - 12:18 PM

View Postpnwguy, on 02 March 2021 - 11:44 AM, said:

Is "Sing Sing" still operational? Maybe they could start working on a new ex-president suite. I'm guessing the Secret Service would still have to protect the Orange Jumpsuit King.

Sing Sing is located in Ossining,** NY Still a very active prison. I doubt he would wind up there. there are several "easy time" places in the system.

** You can easily see the morphing from Ossining to Sing SIng
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Margaret Thatcher


(Select anyone who gets blind loyalty from followers/voters) "...is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."(Manchurian candidate)



"I can't go out because of the virus" sounds whiny and boring. I'm going with: "I've sworn an oath of solitude until the pestilence is purged from the lands." because it sounds more valiant and heroic. As a bonus, people might think you're carrying a sword.

FB posting


Its theorized if you put enough monkeys together with typewriters, eventually they'll write Shakespeare. But first, they write Trump speeches.

FB Posting



Calumny is only the noise of madmen. — Diogenes


When you have no basis for an argument, abuse the plaintiff. Marcus Tullius Cicero


What separates the winners from the losers is how a person reacts to each new twist of fate.

Donald Trump

"... I will tell you that the future of this country has never been better."
Pres Donald J Trump, Joint Base Andrews 1/20/21


I get it. They had a guy ratf**k the post office. They filled the courts with hacks. They spent a ton of money. They filed so many lawsuits. They even started a riot ! It’s so unfair that they went to all that trouble and still lost. Anonymous

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Posted 02 March 2021 - 01:08 PM

View Postandydp, on 02 March 2021 - 12:18 PM, said:

Sing Sing is located in Ossining,** NY Still a very active prison. I doubt he would wind up there. there are several "easy time" places in the system.

** You can easily see the morphing from Ossining to Sing SIng

Oh I didn't perceive the source. Of course my acquaintance with Ossinging comes from MadMen. It's where Don Draper and his family lived for a while.

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Posted 02 March 2021 - 01:29 PM

Trump will be sooner in the White House than prison.





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