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#281 pnwguy

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Posted 27 February 2021 - 03:28 PM

MAGAts on crack

I don't know what we can do as a country when such a large contingent of the population has gone f-ing bonkers.

Thanks, Zuckerberg! How much do you want to bet these folks all spread their nuttery over Facebook?
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Posted 27 February 2021 - 04:44 PM

 pnwguy, on 27 February 2021 - 03:28 PM, said:


All I can do is shake my head slowly.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 27 February 2021 - 06:58 PM

 pnwguy, on 27 February 2021 - 03:28 PM, said:


I could only take a couple of minutes of it before I had to stop it. This country is fucked unless we can somehow effectively counter and shut down the Big Lie machine.
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Posted 27 February 2021 - 07:10 PM

 golden_valley, on 26 February 2021 - 12:28 PM, said:

Should't the religious people that attend CPAC be offended by this graven image?

I'd characterize it as a craven image.

By the way, it turns out it was made in Mexico.
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Posted 27 February 2021 - 07:10 PM

 AnBr, on 27 February 2021 - 06:58 PM, said:

I could only take a couple of minutes of it before I had to stop it. This country is fucked unless we can somehow effectively counter and shut down the Big Lie machine.
I had already heard rumblings about that nonsense. You're braver than I am; I didn't even dare try.
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Posted 03 March 2021 - 02:08 PM

Another piece of maggot work.

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An Eagleville man who authorities say fired a handgun into the headquarters of the Montgomery County Democratic Party out of frustration over COVID-19 restrictions and Donald Trump’s loss in the presidential election was taken into federal custody Wednesday.
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Investigators in Montgomery County said Nero, a self-described Trump supporter, sent an expletive-filled email to the county Democratic Committee on Jan. 7. In the email, Nero warned the Democrats to “beef up security” at their Norristown headquarters and said that “random acts of violence are difficult to investigate.”

“With this stolen election and coup d’etat, violence is the only language you bloodsuckers understand,” Nero allegedly wrote in the email, which authorities say he signed “Silent Majority.”

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Posted 03 March 2021 - 03:18 PM

 Traveler, on 03 March 2021 - 02:08 PM, said:


Way too close to home. One of the big fears I have is that as these people are prosecuted how many will end up with mistrials or acquittals due to MAGAts on the juries? If we have 1/3 of the nation unwilling to ever vote "guilty" for a MAGAt criminal then our criminal justice system collapses and the traitors can do anything they wish.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 03 March 2021 - 04:17 PM

Actually, that would be a pretty interesting jury questionnaire. Maggots will lie through their teeth. Attorneys will automatically disqualify anyone that looks at all "rural".
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Posted 03 March 2021 - 05:15 PM

This is a promising sign.

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Many of former President Donald Trump's supporters have fallen into a web of disinformation surrounding the 2020 presidential election, as well as the infamous QAnon conspiracy theory.

NPR reports that professional exit counselors, who are brought in to help deprogram cult members, are being overwhelmed with requests for help in bringing Trump-supporting conspiracy theorists back to reality.

"I've probably got almost a hundred requests in my inbox," explains Diane Benscoter, an exit counselor who has been helping people leave cults after she herself spent years in the Unification Church cult.

Joan Donovan, who leads the study of online disinformation at the Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy, similarly tells NPR that the current social media environment is a "free for all" that is producing an "unfathomable" amount of disinformation for Americans to consume.

Pat Ryan, a cult interventionist, tells NPR that QAnon is deliberately designed to draw people in by asking them leading questions and pointing them to "answers" that are actually pieces of the conspiracy theory.

Benscoter tells NPR that she knows from personal experience what draws people into political cults such as QAnon.

"It establishes this camaraderie and this feeling of righteousness and this cause for your life, and that feels very invigorating and almost addictive," she says. "You feel like you are fighting the battle for goodness, and all of a sudden you are the hero."

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 04 March 2021 - 05:26 PM

The tainted apple doesn't fall far from the poisoned tree.

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Martha Chansley, the mother of the so-called QAnon Shaman, defended her son's actions during an interview with CBS's 60 Minutes.

In an interview set to be aired on Sunday, Chansley grew defensive when asked whether she thought her son, 33-year-old Jacob Chansley, did anything wrong when he took part in a violent mob that stormed the United States Capitol building on January 6th.

"What do you mean by 'wrong?'" she asked incredulously. "He didn't -- he went through open doors! He was escorted into the Senate! So I don't know what's wrong with that!"

Left unmentioned is the fact that the doors were only "open" for Chansley because rioters smashed windows and broke into the building by force.

Chansley then said her son would take back his decision to storm the Capitol if he could and she insisted that "he is sorry" for his actions.

However, she also defended her son's "right" to try to disrupt Congress from certifying the 2020 election results on the grounds that President Joe Biden allegedly "stole" the election.

"I don't believe it was won fairly at all!" she said.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 26 March 2021 - 02:07 PM

TPM reports on a study of MAGAts (paywalled). Here are the top summary points from the study. We knew a lot of this but it sums up a lot of reporting over the years. It also sums up just how untethered from reality these people are.

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Here are some fascinating takeaways from a series of focus groups Democracy Corps did with Trump supporters and various varieties of conservatives. One notable thing is the difficulty they report they had recruiting volunteers. “It took a long time to recruit these groups because Trump voters seemed particularly distrustful of outsiders right now, wary of being victimized, and avoided revealing their true position until in a Zoom room with all Trump voters — then, they let it all out.”

Here are their main takeaways. I wouldn’t call these surprising. They’re broadly what I would expect, though the granularity of detail is illuminating. The disaffection and hints of withdrawal from politics is perhaps the most consequential. But also not the non-threateninngness of Biden as a white man and the curiosity about the American Rescue Plan …
  • The Trump loyalists and Trump-aligned were angry, but also despondent, feeling powerless and uncertain they will become more involved in politics;
  • Trump’s base saw Biden, as a white man, as not threatening, controlled by others, unlike Obama who represented everything Tea Party-Republicans were determined to fight;
  • Even Trump’s base is curious about the extent to which they benefit from the American Rescue Plan (ARP) and Biden’s signature program, compared to Obamacare that they viewed as a new entitlement for Blacks and immigrants that must be stopped;
  • The Trump loyalists and the Trump aligned are animated about government taking away their freedom and a cancel culture that leaves no place for white Americans and the fear they’re losing “their” country to non-whites;
  • They were angered most of all by Black Lives Matter (BLM) and Antifa that were responsible for a full year of violence in Democratic cities that put white people on the defensive – and was ignored by the media;
  • The Trump loyalists and those who are aligned rooted for the anti-lockdown protestors in Michigan and saw the violence and disruption of the legislature as justified. Some pulled back when the guns threatened innocent civilians, and more when their methods seemed to be losing support for the Trump movement;
  • A handful of the Trump loyalists supported the January 6th insurrectionists, but most quickly concluded it was really Antifa or an inside job to make Trump supporters look bad. They normalized the insurrection, suggesting it was no different than the violence carried out by BLM and Antifa;
  • They worry now that it is the government that has taken the initiative on the use of force, increasing their sense of powerlessness;
  • The non-Trump conservatives and moderates bloc is marginally smaller but vocal in opposition to Trump’s direction and animated by his alienation of non-Republicans, the extremism, the 2nd Amendment and guns, and role of government and more.

You can find the full report here.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 26 March 2021 - 06:22 PM

 LFC, on 26 March 2021 - 02:07 PM, said:

TPM reports on a study of MAGAts (paywalled). Here are the top summary points from the study. We knew a lot of this but it sums up a lot of reporting over the years. It also sums up just how untethered from reality these people are.

A model of stubborn...when presented with something that contradicts belief they just make up an alternative explanation that fits with their beliefs. What deep seated psychological need is being met by this behavior?

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Posted 01 April 2021 - 11:40 AM

Stupid, stupid, stupid,stupid,stupid. Did I mention that these people are stupid? And there are smart people ready to take advantage of their stupidity.

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As soon as Ohio opened up its coronavirus vaccine eligibility to residents over 70, Jennifer Salzano threw herself into finding an appointment for her mom, who’s 72 and has heart disease and diabetes.

For the next few days, Salzano was hunched over her phone, scouring dozens of Kroger, CVS, and Walgreens sites for any appointment near her mom’s home in Columbus, the state capital. At midnight, when a slew of new appointment times would get released, she’d dash to the family computer and try again.

The result was always the same: no availability.

“I was kind of like, this is never going to happen,” Salzano told The Daily Beast.

But then her dad suggested she might have better luck if she looked in the parts of Ohio where denial about COVID’s risks was high—and demand for vaccines was low.

“So I just googled ‘Trump landslides in Ohio,’” then I looked at the nearest county and the biggest city in that county, and I found an appointment,” Salzano told The Daily Beast.

“The whole thing took me three minutes,” she added.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer





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