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Posted 26 July 2020 - 04:37 PM

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Did you know that “Nazi” is short for “National Socialist”? That means that Hitler and his henchmen were all socialists. Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist, too. That means Bernie Sanders and his supporters are the same as Nazis … doesn’t it?

Anyone who has been on political Twitter in the past decade has seen a version of this syllogism. Conservatives, seeking to escape the “fascist” and “Nazi” labels tossed at them by leftist critics since the 1960s, have turned the tables. Books such as Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism” have noted that many leading fascists, such as Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, started out as socialists, just as many early 20th-century “progressives” embraced eugenic ideas ultimately linked to Nazi racist genocide. This connection has become a silver bullet for voices on the right like Dinesh D’Souza and Candace Owens: Not only is the reviled left, embodied in 2020 by figures like Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Elizabeth Warren, a dangerous descendant of the Nazis, but anyone who opposes it can’t possibly have ties to the Nazis’ odious ideas.

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Posted 26 July 2020 - 06:04 PM

And North Korea is a Republic, so Republicans are just like the Kim family!
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Posted 26 July 2020 - 06:08 PM

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The right needs to stop falsely claiming that the Nazis were socialists

That would be nice but who is going to make them?
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Posted 26 July 2020 - 07:39 PM

Well, we are talking about people that must get very confused when they find out a titmouse neither is a mouse nor has tits.
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Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

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The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

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On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


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Posted 26 July 2020 - 08:50 PM

They won't. The right lives on mythology, reality is too stark for them. Self-reflection is not their strong suit. When I was a young kid, the two parties were not that different. But then along came this once verboten concept called conservatism and it was sold to us by an actor. It appealed to all those boomers and their parent as a way to recapture their imagined childhoods. In the fifties, we ruled the world. White people ruled America. Mom had a skirt on, dad showed up at five with a suit and tie, kids played in the streets, we had supper at 6 sharp, said our prayers, washed the dishes, went to bed at 8 or 9. PF flyers were the ticket, Scwhinn bicycles were cool, we all had buzz cuts, Levis were too expensive so we wore knock off jeans, walked to school, had a paper route. House in the burbs, quarter acre lots, avocado green carpets, wood panelling, dishwashers, basketball setup on the garage door, everyone was like Leave it to Beaver. That is what they want us to return to but it ain't gonna happen folks.
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Posted 26 July 2020 - 09:47 PM

 Sinan, on 26 July 2020 - 08:50 PM, said:

They won't. The right lives on mythology, reality is too stark for them. Self-reflection is not their strong suit. When I was a young kid, the two parties were not that different. But then along came this once verboten concept called conservatism and it was sold to us by an actor. It appealed to all those boomers and their parent as a way to recapture their imagined childhoods. In the fifties, we ruled the world. White people ruled America. Mom had a skirt on, dad showed up at five with a suit and tie, kids played in the streets, we had supper at 6 sharp, said our prayers, washed the dishes, went to bed at 8 or 9. PF flyers were the ticket, Scwhinn bicycles were cool, we all had buzz cuts, Levis were too expensive so we wore knock off jeans, walked to school, had a paper route. House in the burbs, quarter acre lots, avocado green carpets, wood panelling, dishwashers, basketball setup on the garage door, everyone was like Leave it to Beaver. That is what they want us to return to but it ain't gonna happen folks.

That was true for the post WW II years up until maybe the mid 70's when the first oil crisis hit..a mere blip in time but it seems to have such power.

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Posted 27 July 2020 - 08:05 AM

 golden_valley, on 26 July 2020 - 09:47 PM, said:

That was true for the post WW II years up until maybe the mid 70's when the first oil crisis hit..a mere blip in time but it seems to have such power.

Don't forget "pre marital sex" was unknown until the Kennedy Administration. Then those *&!%# hippies came in and spoiled everything. Point to remember: those "conservative" elders (The Villages) came of age right in the middle of the Summer of '67. You can't tell me they didn't.

Personal note: during the "sexual revolution", most of my dates declared themselves conscientious objectors.
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"I can't go out because of the virus" sounds whiny and boring. I'm going with: "I've sworn an oath of solitude until the pestilence is purged from the lands." sounds more valiant and heroic. As a bonus, people might think you're carrying a sword.

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Posted 27 July 2020 - 08:23 AM

 Sinan, on 26 July 2020 - 08:50 PM, said:

They won't. The right lives on mythology, reality is too stark for them. Self-reflection is not their strong suit. When I was a young kid, the two parties were not that different. But then along came this once verboten concept called conservatism and it was sold to us by an actor. It appealed to all those boomers and their parent as a way to recapture their imagined childhoods. In the fifties, we ruled the world. White people ruled America. Mom had a skirt on, dad showed up at five with a suit and tie, kids played in the streets, we had supper at 6 sharp, said our prayers, washed the dishes, went to bed at 8 or 9. PF flyers were the ticket, Scwhinn bicycles were cool, we all had buzz cuts, Levis were too expensive so we wore knock off jeans, walked to school, had a paper route. House in the burbs, quarter acre lots, avocado green carpets, wood panelling, dishwashers, basketball setup on the garage door, everyone was like Leave it to Beaver. That is what they want us to return to but it ain't gonna happen folks.
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Posted 27 July 2020 - 08:24 AM

Boy, HOWDY! was that not the '60s this boomer remembers. Nor $HERSELF, for that matter. I have the book printed up for my 30th HS reunion with all the pages for "died in Vietnam," too.

As for the '50s, both of our mothers worked full time as teachers (or as a substitute when pregnancy and infants made that impractical.) That single income family was not the rule where I lived at all, in major part because teachers weren't paid enough to afford it.
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Posted 27 July 2020 - 08:27 AM

 andydp, on 27 July 2020 - 08:05 AM, said:

Don't forget "pre marital sex" was unknown until the Kennedy Administration.

Not to anyone who could manage simple arithmetic. I confess that my father waited until we were all grown before mentioning some of the things that happened during the War, though. $HERSELF's father was a Navy pharmacists' mate and apparently pretty frank about STD testing and issuing condoms.
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Posted 27 July 2020 - 08:45 AM

 D. C. Sessions, on 27 July 2020 - 08:27 AM, said:

Not to anyone who could manage simple arithmetic. I confess that my father waited until we were all grown before mentioning some of the things that happened during the War, though. $HERSELF's father was a Navy pharmacists' mate and apparently pretty frank about STD testing and issuing condoms.

I hope you guessed I was being facetious on the pre marital sex quip. Yes I realize that activity is as old as mankind. Somtimes when they get rolling, those characters seem to imply they never, ever, would have ever, thought of doing _____________ . The best part to me, is when they are "Shocked !! Shocked !!! To find ___________ going on"
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"I can't go out because of the virus" sounds whiny and boring. I'm going with: "I've sworn an oath of solitude until the pestilence is purged from the lands." sounds more valiant and heroic. As a bonus, people might think you're carrying a sword.

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Posted 30 July 2020 - 08:45 AM

View Postgolden_valley, on 26 July 2020 - 09:47 PM, said:

That was true for the post WW II years up until maybe the mid 70's when the first oil crisis hit..a mere blip in time but it seems to have such power.

True but the mythology spans the years from the late 40s to the end of the 60s. Stories are powerful things especially if people believe them.
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Posted 30 July 2020 - 12:10 PM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 27 July 2020 - 08:24 AM, said:

Boy, HOWDY! was that not the '60s this boomer remembers. Nor $HERSELF, for that matter. I have the book printed up for my 30th HS reunion with all the pages for "died in Vietnam," too.

As for the '50s, both of our mothers worked full time as teachers (or as a substitute when pregnancy and infants made that impractical.) That single income family was not the rule where I lived at all, in major part because teachers weren't paid enough to afford it.

Not exactly the late '50s & '60s Chem PhD remembers, either. His mother held paid jobs, even in the small college town in which he grew up (by the time of her retirement in the mid-1980s, she was head of an entire...department? division?). Granted, that was something of an anomaly in that place and time.
And, really, not even the late 1950s of Mommie Dearest's adolescence/college years, as her mother held a secretarial position in the DC area for some years, only leaving when my grandfather was transferred to what could only be described in those days as the hinterlands. By the late 1960s, Mommie Dearest herself was irrevocably in the workforce -- she was never going to be the June Cleaver sort, period.
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Posted 30 July 2020 - 12:14 PM

View PostSinan, on 26 July 2020 - 08:50 PM, said:

They won't. The right lives on mythology, reality is too stark for them. Self-reflection is not their strong suit. When I was a young kid, the two parties were not that different. But then along came this once verboten concept called conservatism and it was sold to us by an actor. It appealed to all those boomers and their parent as a way to recapture their imagined childhoods. In the fifties, we ruled the world. White people ruled America. Mom had a skirt on, dad showed up at five with a suit and tie, kids played in the streets, we had supper at 6 sharp, said our prayers, washed the dishes, went to bed at 8 or 9. PF flyers were the ticket, Scwhinn bicycles were cool, we all had buzz cuts, Levis were too expensive so we wore knock off jeans, walked to school, had a paper route. House in the burbs, quarter acre lots, avocado green carpets, wood panelling, dishwashers, basketball setup on the garage door, everyone was like Leave it to Beaver. That is what they want us to return to but it ain't gonna happen folks.

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That was true for the post WW II years up until maybe the mid 70's when the first oil crisis hit..a mere blip in time but it seems to have such power.

That power was magnified via syndicated television reruns of the likes of "Father Knows Best," "The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet," and "Leave It to Beaver." Even those of us who had no first-hand recollection of that era saw those reruns and could still buy into that mythology long after the reality of the oil crisis was hitting us between the eyes.
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Posted 30 July 2020 - 01:33 PM

View PostBact PhD, on 30 July 2020 - 12:14 PM, said:

That power was magnified via syndicated television reruns of the likes of "Father Knows Best," "The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet," and "Leave It to Beaver." Even those of us who had no first-hand recollection of that era saw those reruns and could still buy into that mythology long after the reality of the oil crisis was hitting us between the eyes.

Growing up I had that Leave It to Beaver life as did many, many of my classmates in a small Midwestern town. Of course most of the surrounding area was agrarian and most women on farms were at home but working on the farm. My mom was raised on one. In the early 60's the thinking there was that it was okay for a woman to hold a job outside the home until she got pregnant. A career was not a thing. Teachers were an exception but only after the children were school aged.

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Posted 30 July 2020 - 01:57 PM

In the early to mid 60's, women were beginning to enter the professions in increasing numbers. They rightly complained of inequality but, as Elizabeth Warren might have said, they "persisted".

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Posted 30 July 2020 - 07:32 PM

View PostBact PhD, on 30 July 2020 - 12:14 PM, said:

That power was magnified via syndicated television reruns of the likes of "Father Knows Best," "The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet," and "Leave It to Beaver." Even those of us who had no first-hand recollection of that era saw those reruns and could still buy into that mythology long after the reality of the oil crisis was hitting us between the eyes.

I grew up watching all those shows and loved them. Was my family like them? Nope. But I still liked the homey corney characters and storylines, they were like comfort food for all of us. No one had a father like Sheriff Andy, we were not Opey but I still love watching them just because they are so sweet and innocent. I knew it was not real but it was like watching Disney, I could escape and enjoy. But I never thought it was real nor did I ever think it was like any other house I knew.
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