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Posted 26 March 2020 - 04:30 PM

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The U.S. now has the world’s most reported coronavirus cases with 81,321, according to New York Times data.

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Posted 26 March 2020 - 04:35 PM

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Jerry Falwell Jr.? That would indeed be a miracle.

Jerry Falwell Jr. is not a preacher. He does not even pretend to be one. He has a younger brother, Jonathan Falwell, who is the senior pastor at his father Jerry Falwell Sr.'s church in Virginia (taking his father's place). Jerry Jr. was the son who cared deeply about money. That's why he got the business side of the inheritance.

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Posted 26 March 2020 - 04:39 PM

Well, he preaches the prosperity gospel anyway, at least to the point of claiming he must be righteous because of his money.
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Posted 26 March 2020 - 05:10 PM

View PostMSheridan, on 26 March 2020 - 04:10 PM, said:

I don't ascribe this event to any kind of divine providence. It's just something that happened and not even an especially unlikely something. There are probably quite a few conservative southern pastors in the high risk demographic. I would guess his family is probably just as devastated as the bereaved families of other people whose views I would have found personally more congenial. However, perhaps his death will save at least a few lives by waking up some of the more complacent of his peers. It would be nice to think so, anyway.

Nor do I. On the other hand, he does serve as an object lesson in assorted proverbs such as, "decisions have consequences," "don't tempt fate," and so forth.
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Posted 26 March 2020 - 05:19 PM

There are proverbs I do not care for, generally the ones that cement in place the patriarch's place at the top of the social structure at the expense of everyone else. However, there are also plenty that are just good sense. Of the five wisdom books in the Old Testament, Proverbs is my second favorite, although for me my number one is and probably always will be Ecclesiastes.

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Posted 26 March 2020 - 05:19 PM

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Nor do I. On the other hand, he does serve as an object lesson in assorted proverbs such as, "decisions have consequences," "don't tempt fate," and so forth.


Proverbs 22:3
The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and pay the penalty.

I’m sorry for the family. I hope his congregation is getting tested ASAP.

Trying to figure out which is worse: party on the beach or go to church for a sermon and coffee after.

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Posted 26 March 2020 - 05:27 PM

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Trying to figure out which is worse: party on the beach or go to church for a sermon and coffee after.

Contact tracing is harder at the beach. Not, mind, that we're doing any contact tracing. Or testing.
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Posted 26 March 2020 - 06:28 PM

Our mayor is calling on citizens to participate in a "viral" nightly thanks to healthcare providers and other at-risk workers.

Portland,

Our friends in cities around the world are sharing a nightly cheer to honor and thank health care workers who are on the frontlines of the COVID-19 pandemic.

WATCH: Italy, Spain, Vancouver, and India – to name a few. It’s incredibly moving.

Let’s join them!

Our nurses, doctors, and first responders continue to risk their health and well-being every single day to make sure the sickest among us get the care they need. Other community heroes like grocery store employees, delivery drivers, chefs, and others make sure we have food on the table. Let’s boost the morale for all those who are struggling as well - a nightly reminder that no one is alone.


So here’s what you can do. Set your alarms for 7 pm nightly.
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Posted 26 March 2020 - 07:34 PM

All I can say is thank God the guy who designed our house has the shower right next to the head. Its a squishy walk but it gets the job done. There has been no TP in our area for at least three weeks.
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Posted 26 March 2020 - 07:55 PM

View PostSinan, on 26 March 2020 - 07:34 PM, said:

All I can say is thank God the guy who designed our house has the shower right next to the head. Its a squishy walk but it gets the job done. There has been no TP in our area for at least three weeks.

We're well stocked but we also have a toilet seat bidet so don't need that much. We have a Brondell but there are others. It's so easy to install even I was able to do it, which is saying something. My wife loves having a heated seat on cold evenings. Here's a link in case you're interested.

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Posted 27 March 2020 - 06:49 AM

Not commenting. I'll leave it to our "resident Brit" to make any pertinent observations.


Coronavirus: Boris Johnson tests positive for COVID-19


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 07:35 AM

He's been telling the world that he shakes hands with everyone, including patients.

One wonders how many patients (excluding himself) he's managed to create. And how many will die from that handshake.
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Posted 27 March 2020 - 08:16 AM

On the question of how much a person's life is worth in the USA, which seems to be going around:

Total personal net wealth in the USA is in the $90-120 trillion (9-12x1013). Population is, in round terms, 300 million (3x108). Divide and you get between $300K-$400K (3-4x105). That's what we could pay to ransom the entire country if it were an all-or-nothing deal. Granted we'd be left naked without tools, homes, etc. but that's the absolute upper bound. If we're talking about a couple of million avoidable deaths then the oversimplified ceiling is around $700 billion.

Not going to be a popular number, and I don't accept the premise either. But the number is interesting.
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Posted 27 March 2020 - 11:32 AM

Not mentioned much yet, but the impact of COVID 19 on states' budgets... Does your state have the equivalent of a "rainy day fund" and if so, how big is it?

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Seemingly every state will take a huge hit, for different reasons. Those whose economies are especially dependent on tourism (Florida, Nevada), energy (Texas, Oklahoma) and other hard-hit sectors are in trouble. As are those dependent on capital gains revenue (New York, California), given stock market declines. High-fixed-cost public transit systems everywhere will suffer as they lose rider revenue. And so on.

Among the biggest problems are the expected declines in sales tax collections, which make up about a third of state revenue. With millions of retail stores, restaurants and other businesses shuttered, sales on which those taxes are based have stopped. Even the early-pandemic panic-buying is unlikely to help, because groceries, medications and other necessities are often exempt from sales taxes.

California's fund is roughly projected to be $16.5 billion but now that the last few months of the fiscal year are in the COVID 19 era that number could be less. There are also some other reserve funds for specific purposes so total funds are estimated at almost $22 billion.

In the March 2020 election, the anti-taxers pointed to that amount to argue against a new statewide school bond issue. The bond issue failed. The proponents will take no satisfaction in the proof that a rainy day fund is actually for rainy days, not for capital improvements.

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Posted 27 March 2020 - 11:43 AM

As of this morning, NM has tested 8513, with 136 infected [1] and one death. As of today, all dental, medical, etc. offices are closed. Nonessential businesses likewise. Schools are closed, the universities will resume a week from Monday with all classes being remote -- that includes lab classes. Which will be ... interesting. Buildings are closed except to maintenance, with a max of five people per building allowed at any one time. The exception is the student union building, which among other things contains the cafeteria and the post office. The PO has an outside door and will be open with a traffic limit; food service is pick-up only. Students, aside from those living in dorms with nowhere else to go, are barred completely from campus. It's pretty clear that this year's graduating class will miss the usual ceremony, especially given how many great-grandparents show up for the first of their family to graduate from university (I love to see them!) Ah, well.

If I were to guess, NM is going to get through this better than almost any other State. We got plenty of head start on preparedness and have the low, low population density buying us time -- and we're using it. NM, with a population of 2 million has tested more than seven times as many people (per capita) as Texas.

I know it can't last, though.
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Posted 27 March 2020 - 11:46 AM

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In the March 2020 election, the anti-taxers pointed to that amount to argue against a new statewide school bond issue. The bond issue failed. The proponents will take no satisfaction in the proof that a rainy day fund is actually for rainy days, not for capital improvements.

Remember when George W. told us that we had a $5T surplus so we should have tax cuts? Then we had a recession and the cure was ... tax cuts.
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Posted 27 March 2020 - 11:56 AM

Pennsylvania drained their's after 2008. Gov. Wolf (D) has been working to restore it but it's less than half of what it was. Keeping taxes up and saving or investing in good times is a Democratic position. A tax increase was attempted in PA but Republicans blocked it. Dems are the party of fiscal conservatism compared to the GOP. Republicans hate this kind of shit because they're ... wait, "conservative?" Well that doesn't make any sense at all, now does it?

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After restoring stability to Pennsylvania’s finances, Governor Tom Wolf today announced a $317 million deposit into the commonwealth’s Rainy Day Fund, the largest transfer in nearly two decades. The governor was joined by Pennsylvania Treasurer Joe Torsella and Lt. Gov. John Fetterman for the announcement at the Capitol.

Following a $22 million deposit last year, the first in nearly 10 years, the state’s savings account will have a total balance of $340 million – over 1,000 times more than when the governor took office.

“This contribution to the Rainy Day Fund is not just a sign that our economy is strong today, but that it will continue to grow because we are building the safety net we need for any future challenges,” said Gov. Wolf. “I am proud of the legislature for recognizing that responsible financial planning includes making good spending decisions alongside saving for the future.”

“None of us has the luxury of knowing when the next economic downturn, or environmental crisis, or natural disaster will strike,” said Treasurer Torsella. “But we can take steps to better prepare ourselves to continue serving the people of this Commonwealth when it does and make sure that we don’t have to cut programs or raise revenue at the worst possible time. I commend Governor Wolf and the General Assembly for their continued commitment to shoring up the Rainy Day Fund and hope to see this continue far into the future.”

In the wake of the 2008 economic downturn, the Rainy Day Fund was used to compensate for a decrease in state revenue. To pay bills, the commonwealth used more than $755 million from the fund, leaving just $60,000. Governor Wolf made it a priority to bring financial stability to the commonwealth after years of structural deficits so that state government is better prepared for the future.

“Our reliance on the Rainy Day Fund during the Great Recession is even more of a reason to build the fund as high as we can during our good years,” said Gov. Wolf. “Because the future always has unknowns, the best plan is preparedness. A sufficient Rainy Day Fund ensures Pennsylvanians won’t have to cope with devastating cuts to programs like education if we face other economic bumps in the road.

“This is the second of what I hope will become many significant contributions into our Rainy Day Fund.”

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Posted 27 March 2020 - 12:04 PM

The GOP a.k.a. The Party of Trump continues to be The Party of Death. This is world class ignorance and stupidity and people will die because of Trump's actions. This is vile, disgusting, immoral, inhuman, and plenty of other adjectives.

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The White House had been preparing to reveal on Wednesday a joint venture between General Motors and Ventec Life Systems that would allow for the production of as many as 80,000 desperately needed ventilators to respond to an escalating pandemic when word suddenly came down that the announcement was off.

The decision to cancel the announcement, government officials say, came after the Federal Emergency Management Agency said it needed more time to assess whether the estimated cost was prohibitive. That price tag was more than $1 billion, with several hundred million dollars to be paid upfront to General Motors to retool a car parts plant in Kokomo, Ind., where the ventilators would be made with Ventec’s technology.

Government officials said that the deal might still happen but that they are examining at least a dozen other proposals. And they contend that an initial promise that the joint venture could turn out 20,000 ventilators in short order had shrunk to 7,500, with even that number in doubt. Longtime emergency managers at FEMA are working with military officials to sort through the competing offers and federal procurement rules while under pressure to give President Trump something to announce.

But in an interview Thursday night with Sean Hannity, the president played down the need for ventilators.

“I don’t believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators,” he said, a reference to New York, where Gov. Andrew Cuomo has appealed for federal help in obtaining them. “You go into major hospitals sometimes, and they’ll have two ventilators. And now all of a sudden they’re saying, ‘Can we order 30,000 ventilators?’”

A General Motors spokesman said that “Project V,” as the ventilator program is known, was moving very fast, and a company official said “there’s no issue with retooling.”

A Ventec representative agreed.

“Ventec and G.M. have been working at breakneck speed to leverage our collective expertise in ventilation and manufacturing to meet the needs of the country as quickly as possible and arm medical professionals with the number of ventilators needed to save lives,” said Chris O. Brooks, Ventec’s chief strategy officer.


It's not just his obsession with all things related to money. He's simply incapable of understanding the situation. He's that vapid.

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Trump claimed during an interview with Fox News host Sean Hannity that New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s (D) request for an additional 30,000 ventilators was overblown.

“I don’t believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators,” the President told Hannity.

“You go into major hospitals sometimes and they’ll have two ventilators,” he continued. “And now all of a sudden they’re saying ‘Can we order 30,000 ventilators?'”

Trump piggybacked that comment with yet another push for Americans to go back to work as soon as possible despite medical professionals’ emphasis on social distancing to prevent further spread of the coronavirus.

“So it’s a very bad situation, we haven’t seen anything like it but the end result is we’ve got to get back to work,” Trump said. “And I think we can start by opening up certain parts of the country.”

In reality, numerous health care workers have sounded the alarm over the shortage of ventilators, which are critical to combating the deadly virus.

Dr. Colleen Smith, an emergency room doctor at Elmhurst Hospital Center in Queens, New York, told the New York Times that her hospital had only received five ventilators one day.

“Unless people die, I suspect we’ll be back to needing to beg for ventilators again in another day or two,” she said.

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Posted 27 March 2020 - 12:14 PM

View PostLFC, on 27 March 2020 - 12:04 PM, said:

The GOP a.k.a. The Party of Trump continues to be The Party of Death. This is world class ignorance and stupidity and people will die because of Trump's actions. This is vile, disgusting, immoral, inhuman, and plenty of other adjectives.




It's not just his obsession with all things related to money. He's simply incapable of understanding the situation. He's that vapid.

Local governmental entities and states (some of them at least) are busting a gut trying to do something to ameliorate the situation but with this attitude at the federal level, it will be of little value. If the pharmaceutical companies can't make a buck on a "cure" or "treatment" or "vaccine" and the business world might end up with a surplus of a manufactured good, then the executive branch will do virtually nothing. I despair.

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Posted 27 March 2020 - 12:18 PM

F***ing Republicans.

This one douchenozzle may hold up the House vote just as a grandstanding move. He looks like the kind of dipshit that would do that. Waving a gun around on stage? Grandstanding as people die, forcing a symbolic vote where the outcome is virtually certain? Somebody is clearly compensating. That photo just screams, "I HAVE A MICROPENIS!" BTW he claims he's "concerned about adding to the national debt." I'll give everybody one guess how he voted on the disastrous and deficit skyrocketing Ryan/Trump tax cuts.

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Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) pledged Friday that he will stand in the way of passage of a $2 trillion COVID-19 relief bill in the House today, a stimulus package that President Trump himself has vowed to sign once it makes it’s way through Congress. Massie said Friday that he will stop the Senate-approved bill from passing via voice vote in the House, which will force lawmakers to come back to Washington, D.C. for a recorded vote.

Massie’s grandstanding appears to be fueled by libertarian convictions. He’s concerned about adding to the national debt and believes holding a vote without a plenum present is a violation of the Constitution. But these are desperate times. Many members have been avoiding the Capitol for days to curb the spread of the coronavirus after two lawmakers were diagnosed with the disease. Several others have self-quarantined over fear of exposure to carriers.

The lawmaker’s showboating won’t make House leadership happy. Both House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) hoped to approve the measure by voice vote today. The pair have also been considering changing debate and voting rules as a precautionary measure.


The governor of Alabama isn't taking this seriously either but she'll have her hand out for blue state tax dollars if/when the shit hits the fan.

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Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey ® said during a new conference on Thursday that she would not issue a shelter in place order that 21 other states have enacted to prevent further spread of COVID-19.

“Y’all, we are not Louisiana, we are not New York state, we are not California,” Ivey told a reporter who had asked about a potential order. “And right now is not the time to order people to shelter in place.”

The governor asserted that businesses need to stay open to provide food, medical supplies and jobs.

“We’ve got have all the materials that are needed to keep Alabamians working as much as we can,” she said.

Ivey’s comments echoed President Donald Trump’s insistence that people ought to go back to work to save the economy, even though medical experts have warned that doing so would put lives at risk.


Then there's Liberty University which is, of course, a total shitshow.

But at least one Republican Rep. wised up and apologized. A day late and a dollar short but it shows a shred of ability to acknowledge reality that's politically inconvenient.

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Rep. Don Young (R-AK) apologized on Thursday for encouraging Alaskans to “go forth with our everyday activities” despite the COVID-19 pandemic, and mocking the coronavirus as “a beer virus.”

Young posted a video in which he acknowledged that the impact of the disease is “very real.”

“Weeks ago, I did not fully grasp the severity of this crisis,” he said. “But clearly we are in the midst of an urgent public health emergency.”

The GOP lawmaker, who had made the comments during a meeting with senior citizens, said in his apology video that the virus “is especially threatening our senior citizens, which I am one, and those with underlying conditions.”

Young urged people to follow the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) guidelines on social distancing.

“Listen to the CDC and stay home,” he said.

During the meeting two weeks ago, Young had accused the media of exaggerating the outbreak. On Thursday, he softened his criticism somewhat.

“These have also been stressful times for our families,” the congressman said. “Take breaks from watching, reading, or listening to the news stories, including social media.”

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