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#81 baw1064

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Posted 01 April 2021 - 09:11 PM

View Postgolden_valley, on 01 April 2021 - 09:08 PM, said:

Yeah and those 81 million votes for Biden is proof of fraud too! No way could that loser get that many votes.

Well, those 81 million aren't RealAmericans®. So by definition their votes are fraudulent.
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Posted 06 April 2021 - 02:05 PM

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It is long past time for conservative voters to wake up and realize that Big Business is not our friend, and is in some cases our enemy.

I fully support this effort by Rod Dreher to drive big business out of the Republican party.
And there was much rejoicing. Yay.

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Posted 06 April 2021 - 03:48 PM

View PostHockeyDon, on 06 April 2021 - 02:05 PM, said:

I fully support this effort by Rod Dreher to drive big business out of the Republican party.

Well he certainly seems to be trying. This latest meltdown is so bouncing off the walls I wouldn't even begin to know how to summarize it other than perhaps "AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!" Oh, yeah. And the governor of Arkansas vetoing an overreaching bill on transsexual youth is woke corporate America's fault. [sigh]

I do, however, think that citing this passage from a book called From Dawn To Decadence is particularly blind. He has no idea what the people he sides with look like.

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I'd say that an awful lot of this fits the MAGAts much better than the left that has Rod soiling his undies. His obsession with all things sexual above and beyond every other issue positively screams of personal issues that he seriously needs to deal with, and not by going to church again. That clearly isn't working.
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Posted 06 April 2021 - 05:07 PM

Once LFC goes where I no longer dare go. Dreher is going to spontaneously combust one day.

On the subject of TAC I just heard a podcast sort of debate with a person who is on the editorial board of TAC...Helen something or other. She has a book out about how Boomers screwed over Millennials. It seems that the 1950s were the Golden Age of everything that is good. Boomers destroyed it all...marriage, churches, culture, education...with their anti-institutionalism. The Democrats were destroyed by the Left in going with McGovern as candidate in '72. No recognition of the economic decisions made by her beloved right wing. She's not wrong that Boomers screwed things up. She misses the fact that her right wingers are also Boomers. She sounded like Phyllis Shafley crossed with Laura Schlesigner's radio delivery. No wonder she works for TAC.

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Posted 06 April 2021 - 06:23 PM

No recognition of the economic decisions made by her beloved right wing. She's not wrong that Boomers screwed things up. She misses the fact that her right wingers are also Boomers

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Posted 06 April 2021 - 06:30 PM

View PostHockeyDon, on 06 April 2021 - 02:05 PM, said:

I fully support this effort by Rod Dreher to drive big business out of the Republican party.

And Mitch McConnell.
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Posted 06 April 2021 - 07:11 PM

View Postgolden_valley, on 06 April 2021 - 05:07 PM, said:

Once LFC goes where I no longer dare go. Dreher is going to spontaneously combust one day.

On the subject of TAC I just heard a podcast sort of debate with a person who is on the editorial board of TAC...Helen something or other. She has a book out about how Boomers screwed over Millennials. It seems that the 1950s were the Golden Age of everything that is good. Boomers destroyed it all...marriage, churches, culture, education...with their anti-institutionalism. The Democrats were destroyed by the Left in going with McGovern as candidate in '72. No recognition of the economic decisions made by her beloved right wing. She's not wrong that Boomers screwed things up. She misses the fact that her right wingers are also Boomers. She sounded like Phyllis Shafley crossed with Laura Schlesigner's radio delivery. No wonder she works for TAC.
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Then again, she might just be pining for the heyday of Jim Crow, anti-miscegenation laws, and McCarthyism.
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Posted 06 April 2021 - 09:14 PM

View Postgolden_valley, on 06 April 2021 - 05:07 PM, said:

Once LFC goes where I no longer dare go. Dreher is going to spontaneously combust one day.

On the subject of TAC I just heard a podcast sort of debate with a person who is on the editorial board of TAC...Helen something or other. She has a book out about how Boomers screwed over Millennials. It seems that the 1950s were the Golden Age of everything that is good. Boomers destroyed it all...marriage, churches, culture, education...with their anti-institutionalism. The Democrats were destroyed by the Left in going with McGovern as candidate in '72. No recognition of the economic decisions made by her beloved right wing. She's not wrong that Boomers screwed things up. She misses the fact that her right wingers are also Boomers. She sounded like Phyllis Shafley crossed with Laura Schlesigner's radio delivery. No wonder she works for TAC.

Then there is this.

https://www.nytimes....ic-boomers.html

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Did the Boomers ruin America?

Jill Filipovic wrote a book saying, basically, yes, because they embraced Reaganism and destroyed the progressive economic policies and public goods that bought their prosperity.

Helen Andrews wrote a book saying, basically, yes, because they destroyed the institutions — the family, the church, the community — that had sustained the country, and embraced individual freedom and pleasure as the highest good.

I've always been a bit skeptical: Generations are so big. Can we really say anything meaningful about them? And are we sure this is about people, rather than technological changes — the birth control pill, television — that happened to hit widespread use as the Boomers grew up? Maybe they're the victims of change, just as we often are.

So I asked Jill and Helen to come on my podcast for a debate. This one is a lot of fun, and it's a great window into not just Boomers, but Millennials, too.

I cringe when I see generational bashing and blaming. A lot of it started to go off the rails with Nixon and accelerated with Reagan. The Boomers were still too young to hold enough power back then and were only beginning to establish themselves during Reaganomics. Their fault was swallowing the bullshit that beginnings of the right-wing machine laid out. The "Reagan Democrats" were more middle aged. Some of the Boomers were complicit by following in line with the narrative created by the right-wing disinformation.

I lay the blame on those that engineered the Rise of the Right. That includes the likes of Pat Buchanan and others that plotted Nixon's Southern Strategy. Roger Ailes while in that Administration first designed his blueprint of "Republican Friendly news" that eventually became Faux with Rupert Murdoch money.

The fault is multigenerational from those that engineered it to the adherents that drank the Kool-Aid. A lot of GenXers against their own self interest. Millennials might be the only ones that get a pass, but only because they have yet to influence the body politic to any great degree.
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Posted 07 April 2021 - 04:49 AM

View Postbaw1064, on 06 April 2021 - 07:11 PM, said:

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Then again, she might just be pining for the heyday of Jim Crow, anti-miscegenation laws, and McCarthyism.

But not, if I might be so bold as to venture a guess, a top marginal tax rate of 70+%.
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Posted 07 April 2021 - 05:47 AM

Yeah, I think AnBr has it right. It doesn't make sense to lay our current condition entirely at the doorstep of Boomers. The oldest Boomers would have been what, about 30 in 1980? The hippies were voting for Reagan, were they? If anything, you could argue that they tried to stem the tide and failed (quite miserably in fact).

Now, you COULD argue the real turning point was in the early 90s instead of 1980, so maybe it has fuller explanatory power in that case. I personally would argue that this is a phenomena that began much earlier and you have to include the silent generation at a minimum.





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