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#41 LFC

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Posted 14 October 2019 - 11:18 AM

Our foreign policy in Syria is in complete and total shambles, which is just the way Putin demanded it. The Kurds warned the U.S. that if we were going to withdraw their protection then they had to cut deals with Syria and Russia. The Trumpies told the Kurds that they could be depended upon ... and then f***ed them over a single phone call.

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Brett McGurk, who resigned as the presidential special envoy to the coalition against ISIS last December, told The Daily Beast on Sunday that such a move by the Syrian Kurds was predictable under the circumstances.

Even last year, when McGurk was still serving, Kurdish leaders in Syria were telling the Americans that if support for them and deterrence against a Turkish attack was not going to continue, they needed to make a deal with the Assad regime and Russia for protection. “We have given our road map to the Russians. We are just waiting on a decision,” one senior Kurdish official told The Washington Post.

McGurk said he supported that idea at a time when Trump already was talking about pulling out of Syria, but he met firm opposition within the administration. (Special Representative for Syria Engagement Jim Jeffrey, for one, “told the Kurds on multiple occasions, ‘we’ll manage Turkey, don’t make a deal with the [Assad] regime,’” according to a source familiar with the matter.) Then-National Security Adviser John Bolton and crew insisted the U.S. must stay in Syria until Iran was out, or at least on its way. (Representatives for Bolton, whom Trump fired last month, did not immediately reply to a request for comment. Neither did State Department spokespeople.)

Since McGurk’s resignation, he has stayed in touch with the members of the SDF and some contacts in the U.S. departments of state and defense. He says the Kurds asked repeatedly if the support and protection of the United States could be relied upon, and they were told repeatedly that the Americans had their backs.

But that was not the case.

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Posted 14 October 2019 - 11:21 AM

The U.S. withdrawal was so kneejerk and hectic that we've allowed ISIS prisoners to go free.

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Amid a Turkish assault, the Kurds, or Syrian Democratic Forces, have struck a deal with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, backed by Russian President Vladimir Putin, that will bring forces loyal to Assad back into areas that have been under Kurdish control for years.

“An agreement has been reached with the Syrian government—whose duty it is to protect the country’s borders and preserve Syrian sovereignty—for the Syrian Army to enter and deploy along the Syrian-Turkish border to help the SDF stop this aggression [by Turkey],” the Kurds said in a statement.

Once the agreement was made Sunday night, Syrian Assad troops began moving into towns near the border with Turkey where Turkish forces have been encroaching since President Trump announced that he was withdrawing American forces from the region earlier this week.

The agreement appears to undermine any expectation that United States might continue to assist the Kurds—Washington’s allies against ISIS—as they are attacked by Turkey.

In the aftermath of Trump’s announcement, with a Turkish invasion carried out just days later, American forces were unable to carry out a move of about 60 “high value” ISIS detainees out of wartime prisons run by the Kurds, The New York Times reports. The chaos also made way for hundreds of ISIS prisoners on Sunday to escape from a low-security detention camp in the area.


Per ABC this AM, and in a move that is a shock to no one, Trump lied and said we pulled all of the high value ISIS prisoners out of the region. It turns out we retrieved something like 2.
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Posted 14 October 2019 - 11:25 AM

Trump is such a f***wit that after Syrian troops came back into the area (from above the deal that the Kurds told the U.S. would happen if they pulled out) we attacked them. It's pandemonium and the Child in Chief is desperately trying to find some way to not look like a loser. (You know that's all he cares about.) He literally has no idea what he's doing.

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U.S. forces battled to contain the deployment of Syrian regime troops on Monday, as President Bashar al-Assad ordered his forces into several sensitive areas.

Although still seemingly prepared to withdraw from Syria—according to statements from Secretary of Defense Mark Esper and other administration officials—sources on the ground told The Daily Beast that American forces continued to try to prevent or at least rein in the full scope of the Assad regime’s deployment throughout the region.

Late Sunday night, local news sources such as Raqqa Is Being Silently Slaughtered, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, and other outlets reported that U.S. aircraft launched airstrikes against pro-Assad positions near Tabqa, Mansour, and in Khasham, killing and injuring an unspecified number of fighters.

As The Daily Beast published, well-placed sources on the ground, in addition to the largely Kurdish Syrian Democratic Forces’ (SDF) local Tabqa Civil Council, claimed no regime military forces remained stationed in either Tabqa or Raqqa cities, although this was disputed by Syrian state media. Sources also said U.S. forces remained stationed at the Qarakozaq bridge that links Manbij to the nearby border town of Kobani, preventing movement between the cities in an attempt to prevent pro-Assad forces from entering the area.

Throughout Sunday evening and Monday morning, Syrian regime forces reportedly spread out and were deployed to several key locations in Syrian Democratic Forces territory as part of a deal stuck to reinforce Kurdish forces amid recent gains by the Turkish military.

Local media reported pro-Assad and some Russian forces deploying to points in Tabqa and Mansour in southwest Raqqa province, Manbij farther west toward Aleppo, and key frontline cities such as Ain Aissa and Tal Tamr farther north toward Turkish forces. In Deir Ezzor province to the east, pro-Assad forces were reported to have attempted to cross the Euphrates at the town of Khasaham, close to a number of large revenue-generating oil fields controlled by Kurds.

With a confusing and disputed picture on the ground, it has become abundantly clear that forces from the U.S., Russia, Syria, and Turkey are operating in dangerously close proximity.

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Posted 14 October 2019 - 11:29 AM

Oh, yeah. The Kurds are being attacked by a massive deployment of Turkish troops including heavy artillery and air power. Hundreds are dead, over 100,000 are running for their lives, and needless to say their ISIS prisoners are no longer a priority. Trump's take on the situation? They're trying to drag him back into Syria. I guess he's worried they're going to make him look bad because, as we all know, the single worst sin anybody can perform is to bruise Dear Leader's ego. This is the evangelicals' "flawed" gift from God™ brought to bring morality to our nation.

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President Trump has accused the Syrian Kurds—who, until last week, were America's most important allies in the fight against ISIS—of releasing ISIS prisoners in an attempt to bait him. In an attack on Fox & Friends host Brian Kilmeade, who has been sharply critical of Trump’s actions toward the Kurds, Trump denied his decision to withdraw troops from Syria could lead to an ISIS resurgence. In an apparent response to reports that hundreds of ISIS-related prisoners have escaped since Turkey invaded Syria last week, the president tweeted: “Europe had a chance to get their ISIS prisoners, but didn’t want the cost. ‘Let the USA pay,’ they said... Kurds may be releasing some to get us involved.” Trump said the escaped prisoners should be “easily recaptured” by Turkey or European nations, which he urged to “move quickly.” The New York Times reported Sunday that the U.S. had failed to transfer five-dozen “high-value” ISIS detainees out of Syria.

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Posted 14 October 2019 - 12:40 PM

I thought he wasn't worried about ISIS prisoners escaping because they'd all go to Europe.

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Posted 14 October 2019 - 01:30 PM

View PostJackD, on 14 October 2019 - 12:40 PM, said:

I thought he wasn't worried about ISIS prisoners escaping because they'd all go to Europe.
Well, they might behead rich billionaire donors or US soldiers staying at one of his golf course resorts. That incredible brain of his is always thinking ahead...of the next potential lawsuit he needs to get Rudy and his crack team of lawyers working on to defend against.

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Posted 14 October 2019 - 02:17 PM

View PostLFC, on 14 October 2019 - 11:29 AM, said:

This is the evangelicals' "flawed" gift from God™ brought to bring morality to our nation.

Wrong lens. The correct reading is...

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As of September 30, 2019, the United States Senate has confirmed 152 Article III judges nominated by President Trump, including 2 Associate Justices of the Supreme Court of the United States, 43 judges for the United States Courts of Appeals, 105 judges for the United States District Courts, and 2 judges for the United States Court of International Trade. There are currently 37 nominations to Article III courts awaiting Senate action, including 4 for the Courts of Appeals and 33 for the District Courts.There are currently 4 vacancies on the U.S. Courts of Appeals, 92 vacancies on the U.S. District Courts, 2 vacancies on the U.S. Court of International Trade, and 15 announced federal judicial vacancies that will occur before the end of Trump's first term (3 for the Courts of Appeals and 12 for District Courts).

Flawed, you say?

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Posted 14 October 2019 - 04:33 PM

View PostProbabilistic, on 14 October 2019 - 02:17 PM, said:

Flawed, you say?

They only use "flawed" when his litany of sins is brought up. It's like a disinfectant. They can wipe away all of his evil with just one word. Meanwhile they are drinking from a firehose of political power. You know, just like Jesus told them to do.
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Posted 14 October 2019 - 04:40 PM

Trump's big move on Turkey's attempted genocide of the Syrian Kurds? [YAAAWWWN!] Tariffs ... of course. On foreign policy he's a one trick pony. Well, two tricks if you count publicly bending over and taking it between his doughy butt cheeks for the likes of Putin and Erdogan.

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President Donald Trump announced Monday that tariffs on imported Turkish steel would be raised to 50%, among other measures, in response to the country’s invasion of Kurdish-controlled areas of Northern Syria.

Just days ago, Trump threatened to “totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey” amid bipartisan criticism of his sudden withdrawal of forces after a call with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

In addition to raising tariffs on Turkish steel to 50% — matching the rate from five months ago — Trump’s statement said he’d authorized sanctions on anyone “contributing to Turkey’s destabilizing actions in northeast Syria.” He also said he had put trade talks on hold.


Meanwhile he continues to spew bullshit about the predictable and predicted outcome of his f***-up.

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Pro-Turkey forces have reportedly executed civilians, including the political leader Hevrin Khalaf, during the invasion. And prisoners affiliated with the Islamic State have reportedly escaped from detention. The President, earlier Monday, said those prisoners could be “easily recaptured.”

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Posted 14 October 2019 - 05:27 PM

So Trump wants to get into a tariff war with Turkey. Meanwhile we have nuclear weapons in that country at a Turkish airbase. Erdogan has control of that airbase and so has control of those weapons. That's just ... great. It's "almost" like Trump acted without thinking.

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Erdogan’s forces have been raining down terror on the Kurds, long considered to be key U.S. allies in the fight against ISIS, exactly the horrifying scenario that critics of Trump’s move predicted. Turkey even fired on an outpost of U.S. special operation forces. It’s a fraught scenario for the United States to find itself in, made all the more dangerous by the fact that Turkey, itself a NATO ally, is home to an estimated 50 American nuclear weapons. The New York Times reported:

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And over the weekend, State and Energy Department officials were quietly reviewing plans for evacuating roughly 50 tactical nuclear weapons that the United States had long stored, under American control, at Incirlik Air Base in Turkey, about 250 miles from the Syrian border, according to two American officials.

Those weapons, one senior official said, were now essentially Erdogan’s hostages. To fly them out of Incirlik would be to mark the de facto end of the Turkish-American alliance. To keep them there, though, is to perpetuate a nuclear vulnerability that should have been eliminated years ago.

“I think this is a first — a country with U.S. nuclear weapons stationed in it literally firing artillery at US forces,” Jeffrey Lewis of the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies wrote last week.

The fact that American nuclear weapons have been housed in a country with an increasingly authoritarian leader like Erdogan would be concerning enough. The calamity now playing out before the world shows exactly why this state of affairs can suddenly veer toward disaster and should have been ended years ago.

The Times noted, too, that Erdogan recently expressed the desire for his regime to obtain nuclear weapons of its own, despite international rule limiting proliferation.

But the current mess was triggered, in part, by a phone call Trump had with Erdogan just over a week ago, leading to his announcement of the withdrawal of U.S. troops. Trump has claimed that this decision was in line with his promise to avoid and cease the United States’ “endless wars,” but it seems to have triggered a new terrifying conflict of its own. And at the same time, Trump has authorized sending thousands of troops to protect Saudi Arabia, far outnumbering the minimal force that had been held in northern Syria.

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Posted 14 October 2019 - 05:30 PM

So now Trump is hoping the Syrian government helps the Kurds, the same Syrian government he bragged about sending missiles at their airbase? He's stupid, ignorant, and out of his f***ing mind. There is zero consistency or predictability. He just does whatever, whenever with no thought.

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President Donald Trump on Monday washed his hands of any responsibility for Kurdish forces whom he abandoned last week.

Writing on Twitter, the president suggested that the Syrian government, which the United States has accused of committing multiple war crimes including using chemical weapons on civilians, could help “protect” the Kurds from invading Turkish forces.

“Anyone who wants to assist Syria in protecting the Kurds is good with me, whether it is Russia, China, or Napoleon Bonaparte,” the president wrote. “I hope they all do great, we are 7,000 miles away!”

The president also claimed that he had completely defeated Islamic State in northern Syria — even though multiple reports have claimed that captured ISIS fighters have since been freed after the president abandoned the region and gave Turkey the green light to launch a military operation.

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 11:59 AM

Our surveillance in Syria is no longer focused on ISIS, it's focused on protecting our troops who are caught in the cluster-f***.

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The retreat of U.S. forces in Syria away from the Turkish invasion is having a downstream effect benefitting the so-called Islamic State. The American surveillance aircraft that had been watching ISIS are now watching their own troops.

Protecting the remaining U.S. forces in Syria is now the priority for the U.S. drones and manned aircraft overhead, according to a knowledgeable U.S. official who was not permitted to speak to reporters.

It’s a mission of necessity now that the remaining hundreds of American servicemembers in Syria have come under attack from the army of their NATO ally and the Syrian Kurds whom the U.S. betrayed are now welcoming in Bashar al-Assad’s Russian-sponsored forces. Their presence has propelled the U.S. in northeastern Syria toward an endgame, since the U.S. betrayal of the Kurds removed the local partner the U.S. needed to wage war against ISIS members—who are now breaking free of their prisons.

The remaining hundreds of U.S. troops, for now, have pulled back to the southern at-Tanf base near the Iraqi and Jordanian borders. American reconnaissance and surveillance over Syria is now about protecting bivouacking U.S. forces, the official said, rather than watching what happens to the newly-freed ISIS fighters.

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 12:01 PM

Well that didn't take long. It's "almost" as if the Russians were prepared in advance to mobilize and fill the void we so abruptly left.

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Russia appears to be trying to fill the vacuum left by President Trump’s order to withdraw U.S. troops from northern Syria. The Kremlin said Tuesday that its military units have been patrolling territory in the no-man’s-land between Syrian and Turkish forces. The U.S. had maintained two military bases in the same area until Monday. A video on Twitter appeared to show a Russian journalist filming himself walking around a deserted U.S. military base in northern Syria. The man in the video was identified by a Times of London reporter as Oleg Blokhin, a Russian war correspondent known to be following the Wagner Group, private mercenaries hired by the Russian government that supports Syrian president Bashar al-Assad’s military operations.

Russia and Turkey will soon be the only international armies in the area after an international alliance of counterterrorism forces, including French and British soldiers, announced Tuesday they would also depart after the American withdrawal. The Russian Defense Ministry said its military police were stationed at “the northwestern borders of Manbij district along the line of contact of the Syrian Arab Republic military and the Turkish military.” The Russians are coordinating “with the Turkish side,” according to the statement.

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 12:45 PM

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It’s a mission of necessity now that the remaining hundreds of American servicemembers in Syria have come under attack from the army of their NATO ally and the Syrian Kurds whom the U.S. betrayed are now welcoming in Bashar al-Assad’s Russian-sponsored forces.

But, but... Benghaaazii???
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Posted 15 October 2019 - 01:14 PM

View PostRue Bella, on 15 October 2019 - 12:45 PM, said:

But, but... Benghaaazii???

I'm waiting for the screeching about emails again now that 8 separate people in the Trump administration, including family members, have been busted illegally using private email accounts for federal government business.
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Posted 15 October 2019 - 01:30 PM

View PostLFC, on 14 October 2019 - 04:40 PM, said:

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In addition to raising tariffs on Turkish steel to 50% — matching the rate from five months ago — Trump’s statement said he’d authorized sanctions on anyone “contributing to Turkey’s destabilizing actions in northeast Syria.”

Wait -- has he gone full circle and is not conducting a trade war against himself [1]?

[1] Or the USA, same thing
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Posted 15 October 2019 - 01:33 PM

View PostLFC, on 14 October 2019 - 05:30 PM, said:

There is zero consistency or predictability.

You do realize that he claims that that's an advantage -- nobody knows from one minute to the next what he's going to do.

For instance, ask the Kurds. Or Canada, for that matter.
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Posted 16 October 2019 - 11:07 AM

Erdogan just yanked his leash publicly and HARD.

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Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has rejected U.S. calls for a cease-fire in the escalating Syria conflict ahead of a meeting with Vice President Mike Pence, who is due to travel to Turkey on Wednesday.

The vice president’s office announced Tuesday that Pence would lead a U.S. delegation including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, national security adviser Robert O’Brien and the special representative for Syria, James Jeffrey, to Ankara. The aim of the trip was to persuade Erdogan to stop his offensive into the region.

On Tuesday, Erdogan vowed that he would not declare a cease-fire in northeast Syria.

“They say ‘declare a cease-fire.' We will never declare a cease-fire,” Erdogan told reporters after a visit to Azerbaijan.

“They are pressuring us to stop the operation. They are announcing sanctions. Our goal is clear. We are not worried about any sanctions,” he added.

Earlier, when asked by Sky News about meeting an American delegation, Erdogan said through a translator: "I'm not going to talk to them. They will be talking to their counterparts. When Trump comes here, I'll be talking."


Giuliani is also up to his corrupt creepy face in this region and clearly was trying to gain favor with Turkey's autocratic leader. The destruction of democracy in that nation doesn't seem to even register with the Republicans who supposedly used to be all about democracy. Now? Not so much. There's money to be made!

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Rudy Giuliani urged President Trump to extradite a Muslim cleric to Turkey, where he's wanted for allegedly plotting a coup attempt against President Recip Tayyip Erdogan, according to The Washington Post. Giuliani reportedly told Trump in 2017 that he should grant Erdogan’s wishes to extradite Fethullah Gulen, a permanent U.S. resident who lives in exile in Pennsylvania, to Turkey. Gulen has always denied any involvement in the 2016 plot against Erdogan. Giuliani’s reported overtures to Trump appear to another example of him pushing a shadow foreign policy from outside government. One former official described the Gulen subject as Giuliani’s “hobby horse” at the time, and some White House aides reportedly became concerned that Giuliani was making the case on behalf of Erdogan’s government. One former administration official recalled Trump asked why Gulen couldn’t be turned over to Turkey, and referred to Erdogan as “my friend.”

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Posted 16 October 2019 - 11:11 AM

Russia will now ensure Assad's control of Syria, giving them a big and unfettered foothold in that region. Add in their relationship with Iran and that gives them real influence. Who did we side with? Saudi F***ing Arabia because, you know, they've been such great allies in the fight against terrorism.

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After eight years of Syrian civil war, the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, and the displacement of half the Syrian population, U.S. President Donald J. Trump’s decisions have created conditions for Bashar al-Assad’s regime to re-assert control over nearly one-third of the country that had been outside its grip since 2012.

Far from reining in U.S. adversaries, Trump’s presidency will likely be remembered as one through which Assad, this century’s greatest mass murderer, managed finally to claw his way back to a position of undisputed authority.

This is the way that’s playing out on the ground in what is, admittedly, still a complicated situation.

The news began Tuesday morning with Russian pro-Kremlin journalist Oleg Blokhin streaming a live video from inside the recently abandoned American al-Sa’idi’a base in Syria on the western outskirts of the Manbij countryside.

“Good morning to everyone from Manbij,” exclaimed Blokhin. “I’m at the American military base right now, where they were until yesterday morning. Already, we’re here [instead]. We’re going to examine now how they were living here, what they were so busy with, and what’s going on.”

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Posted 16 October 2019 - 11:16 AM

Trump gets a big, wet, sloppy kiss from the terrorists for his help. I guess if they just slaughter Europeans then it's all acceptable to Trump.

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“With the collapse of ISIS and the attitude of Turkey against the Kurds, the resurgence of attacks in France is being planned,” Christian Estrosi, the mayor of Nice, warned on Tuesday. “Jihadists like Adrien Guihal who took up arms against France are destined to reorganize themselves and begin again.”

Guihal, whose nom de guerre is Abu Oussama al-Faransi (which would translate roughly as Father of Osama, the Frenchman) had claimed responsibility for the slaughter in Nice, although direct connections to ISIS were never established, as well as Magnanville, where a policeman and his wife, who also worked for the police, were murdered in front of the toddler, and Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray, where would-be holy warrior slit the throat of an aged priest. French Twitter was awash in furious comments about Guihal’s escape. As one poster wrote ironically, that Trump and Erdogan “can sleep well tonight” having set such a person free. “Mission accomplished!”


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Last week, the SDF said several ISIS fighters escaped from Qamishli after Turkey bombed it. Hundreds of ISIS relatives broke out of one of the camps, shortly thereafter. One U.S. official told The Washington Post that “multiple Kurdish-run detention facilities were now unguarded and that the U.S. military believed hundreds of detainees had escaped.”

French Prime Minister Édouard Philippe told deputies in the French National Assembly on Tuesday that a resurgence of ISIS is “inevitable,” blaming President Trump for his decision to pull 1,000 troops from Syria.

"This is devastating for our security with the inevitable resurgence of the Islamic State in northeastern Syria and probably also northwest Iraq and so the destabilization of a government that doesn't need that," Philippe said.

Trump has been telling his supporters on Twitter that ISIS was completely defeated and the threat was past, but Brisard told The Daily Beast that the notion that ISIS had all but disappeared was not true. What changed was that the ISIS “Caliphate” could no longer claim to rule a defined territory. But as a terrorist insurgency its murderous activities have continued with a vengeance.

“It’s not as if ISIS was really conquered over there and the killing stopped,” Brisard said. “I’ve visited several times over the past year and witnessed hundreds of attacks by ISIS.”

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