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Posted 29 August 2019 - 11:32 AM

Health risks of vaping seem to be hitting the fan right now. The CEO of Juul is trying to look responsible by giving a little lip service to their products not being for non-smokers. I think he has finally grasped the wave of lawsuits they're about to face.

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Juul CEO Kevin Burns said Thursday that non-smokers should not use his company’s product. “Don’t vape. Don’t use Juul,” Burns said during an appearance on CBS This Morning. “Don’t start using nicotine if you don't have a preexisting relationship with nicotine. Don’t use the product. You’re not our target consumer.”

The straightforward message comes as the company faces multiple lawsuits, growing concern from the public over the popularity of Juul among teenagers, and an investigation launched by House Democrats earlier this year. Burns has previously apologized to the families of teenagers addicted to the product, saying that it was never intended for use by kids.

When asked on CBS whether Juul is safer than traditional cigarettes, Burns declined to respond. “I’m not gonna comment about where I am in terms of that,” he said. “Let’s just say cigarettes are known to be the number-one source of preventable death in the world and are at the far end extreme of that—the continuum of risk.” Burns then clarified: “We think we have a product that is legal today, is tested for toxicity, and does not present, you know, a risk based on the guidelines of the category today to the American public.”

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Posted 29 August 2019 - 11:41 AM

An overview of the potential health impacts of vaping.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 29 August 2019 - 07:11 PM

It’s been a hot topic off-and-on in the PhD household, owing to the presence of a teenager. Some of his cohorts (athletes, no less! SMH) have experimented; he got the talking-to from the pediatrician at his recent checkup. We made the point about people getting dead from this stuff.

Yeah, I sense the lawsuits coming and the need for damage control.
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Posted 30 August 2019 - 07:51 AM

I use a Pax vaporizer for locally grown cannabis and, occasionally, organic tobacco.

I wouldn’t think of vaporizing one of those emulsions and inhaling it. That’s crazy.

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Posted 30 August 2019 - 08:46 AM

View Postgmat, on 30 August 2019 - 07:51 AM, said:

I use a Pax vaporizer for locally grown cannabis and, occasionally, organic tobacco.

I wouldn’t think of vaporizing one of those emulsions and inhaling it. That’s crazy.

I'm waiting for the "but it's natural" defense. Sure, but how many of these natural substances normally end up in the lungs and how many have been tested? Do combining any to make "fun" flavors create a whole new risk? Corporations clearly don't know and don't want to know.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 30 August 2019 - 09:24 AM

I’m switching to mostly to edible now.

I love a THC powder called Ripple, comes in little 10mg tubes

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Posted 30 August 2019 - 10:02 AM

My wife has a chronic illness, part of which has caused lung damage, so vaping is too tough for her to handle. She uses edibles and tinctures. For joint issues she also uses a topical THC cream which she's had very good luck with. Interestingly we received conflicting opinions on the efficacy of the cream at the dispensary but she figured "WTH" and has been very happy with it.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 03 September 2019 - 03:36 PM

More on the potential dangers of vaping.

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More than 200 people across the US have come down with a mysterious illness that appears to be linked to vaping — the latest wake-up call to the potentially serious health risks of using e-cigarettes.

As of August 27, there were 215 cases of severe respiratory disease in 25 states since late June, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported Friday. All patients reported using e-cigarette products. But while officials believe their illness is associated with vaping, they haven’t been able to single out which ingredient or device may be causing the problem.

So far, the patients have a few things in common. They suffered from respiratory symptoms, including coughing, shortness of breath, chest pain, and difficulty breathing. Some have gotten seriously ill, even winding up in intensive care units on oxygen support through ventilators or intubation. Most are in their late teens and 20s with no underlying health issues. Many cases also involved vaping THC-containing liquids (though it’s not clear whether that was from cannabis e-cigs or nicotine e-cigs), and the CDC singled out black market products as another potential commonality.

“Anyone who uses e-cigarette products should not buy these products off the street (e.g., e-cigarette products with THC or other cannabinoids) and should not modify e-cigarette products or add any substances to these products that are not intended by the manufacturer,” the CDC warned. “E-cigarette products should not be used by youth, young adults, pregnant women, as well as adults who do not currently use tobacco products.”

But that’s not the only alarming health problem linked to vaping lately — and that’s why the way we view the safety of these devices is likely to change in the coming weeks and years. Here’s what we know so far.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 02:41 PM

Well here's at least one big problem.

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Black-market marijuana vape cartridges have been found to contain hydrogen cyanide in laboratory testing commissioned by NBC News. The network reports it asked a California cannabis testing facility to examine a sample of 18 cartridges containing THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana. The three purchased from legal dispensaries found no toxins, such as heavy metals or pesticides, but the other 15 samples from black-market THC cartridges gave troubling results. They all contained myclobutanil, a fungicide that can transform into hydrogen cyanide when burned. Thirteen out of the 15 contained Vitamin E acetate, which some health officials have blamed for the deaths and lung illnesses linked to vape pens. Ten of the unregulated cartridges also tested positive for pesticides. “You certainly don’t want to be smoking cyanide,” Antonio Frazier, the vice president of operations at testing lab CannaSafe, told NBC News. “I don’t think anyone would buy a cart that was labeled hydrogen cyanide on it.” The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Thursday that 12 people have now died from mysterious illnesses believed to be related to vaping, with the number of confirmed cases at 275.

The last I heard the number of cases of illness was now over 800.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 28 September 2019 - 11:10 AM

Moral of this story--don't suck anything into your lungs.

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Posted 28 September 2019 - 11:48 AM

View Postgolden_valley, on 28 September 2019 - 11:10 AM, said:

Moral of this story--don't suck anything into your lungs.

Including California air if Trump succeeds in polluting the shit out of it.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 12:02 PM

What we know about quitting an addiction to cigarettes does not appear to translate to vaping products. On top of that vaping products may actually be harder to quit than cigarettes. I'm sure this is something the manufacturers of these products neeeevvvvver knew or manipulated.

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There’s a pretty strong case that vaping is a different beast from quitting smoking — that it may actually be harder to stop vaping. “There are unique aspects of e-cigarette devices, particularly ones like Juul, that may facilitate addiction,” said Rachel Grana Mayne, the program director in the Tobacco Control and Research Branch at the National Institutes of Health. “Many of these devices contain high concentrations of nicotine and are smoother to inhale.”

Each Juul pod, for example, carries 59 milligrams of nicotine per milliliter of liquid. Juul Labs — maker of the bestselling cigarette on the US market — claims one pod is equal to a pack of cigarettes in terms of nicotine. Considering you can get through a pod in less than a few hours of chronic use, that’s a lot of nicotine.

The nicotine in these products also goes down more smoothly than regular cigarettes. The reason: Juul vaporizes a liquid that contains nicotine salts. Unlike the nicotine in regular cigarettes, which can be irritating to the throat and lungs, nicotine salt doesn’t cause those unpleasant feelings. “This innovation in nicotine chemistry may be critical with regard to the addictiveness” of e-cigarette pods like Juul, according to a perspective piece in the New England Journal of Medicine.

There are other features of vaping that could make it more difficult to quit. The vapor doesn’t have the nasty smell of cigarettes and can instead emit a subtle scent of fruit or other flavors when users vape — or no odor at all. “Vaping doesn’t have the negative effects cigarettes have,” said Megan Jacobs, a managing director at the nonprofit public health organization Truth Initiative. “Those reminders every time you [smoke] that aren’t there for vaping.”

It’s also much easier to vape in public than it is to smoke. “Over the years, we put effort into making sure smoking is taboo, and many kids are not used being exposed to smoking cues on a daily basis,” Krishnan-Sarin said. With e-cigarettes, “[You’re] exposed to vaping cues every day. I think it’s going to be more difficult [to quit] — we need to understand the cues.”

Still, Grana Mayne warned, “We don’t have data yet that allows us to directly compare the experience of addiction to e-cigarettes to other vapes or cigarettes and tobacco products.” Yet, there’s good reason to believe it may turn out to be more challenging.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 09 November 2019 - 09:19 AM

It looks like Vitamin E might be the/a culprit in vaping related injury.

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As cases of vaping-related illnesses reach 2,051, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has announced a “breakthrough” in the search for a cause — the first identified toxicant: vitamin E acetate.

The news comes in a study released Friday in the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, which analyzed fluid from the lungs of 29 patients with e-cigarette or vaping product use associated lung injury (EVALI) in 10 different states. While the majority of those analyzed tested positive for either THC (82 percent) or nicotine (61 percent), the only substance to be “universally detected” in every sample was vitamin E acetate.

“These new findings are significant because for the first time we have detected a potential toxin of concern,” Anne Schuchat, MD, principal deputy director of the CDC said on a call with reporters Friday morning. “These findings provide direct evidence of vitamin E acetate at the primary site of injury within the lungs and the samples reflect patients from states across the country to date.”

Schuchat was quick to point out that vitamin E acetate may just be one of many toxins fueling EVALI cases — 39 of which have proven fatal — but she noted that the health agency tested for many other substances, including plant oil, mineral oil, petroleum-based oil and MCT oil — to no avail. “No other potential toxins were detected in the testing conducted so far,” Schuchat said.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer





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