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#61 LFC

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 12:52 PM

View Postindy, on 21 June 2019 - 01:12 PM, said:

It absolutely was. A casualty assessment is part of EVERY briefing for a military action. I doubt, however, Trump could be pried away from the golf course or perhaps they forgot to put in a cartoon with 150 dead people with Xs for eyes. ETA: or, of course, he is just lying about it.

Do we know Trump actually spent any time with the generals rather than having them give all the details to Pompeo and Bolton who then gave Trump their 2 minute multi-colored presentations with pictures depicting him as a hero? Knowing what we do about Trump's inability to listen, understand, or retain I wouldn't be at all surprised if he ended up getting some filtered and fluffy nonsense rather than a real briefing.
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Posted 24 June 2019 - 02:06 PM

View PostLFC, on 24 June 2019 - 12:52 PM, said:

Do we know Trump actually spent any time with the generals rather than having them give all the details to Pompeo and Bolton who then gave Trump their 2 minute multi-colored presentations with pictures depicting him as a hero? Knowing what we do about Trump's inability to listen, understand, or retain I wouldn't be at all surprised if he ended up getting some filtered and fluffy nonsense rather than a real briefing.

A little part of me thinks he made the whole thing up and didn't actually order any strike.

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 02:20 PM

View Postgolden_valley, on 24 June 2019 - 02:06 PM, said:

A little part of me thinks he made the whole thing up and didn't actually order any strike.

That is the sad state of affairs we're in?

Person A: "You don't believe him because you think he's scheming on this issue to his own hidden ends?"

Person B: "No, I don't believe him because he constantly makes shit up and blurts it out."
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 03:46 PM

A former U.S. diplomat tweets out the situation with Trump's Iran "policy". Here are the tweets all strung together.

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Sun Tzu: “Know your enemy, know your yourself.” Here, the enemy (Iran) believes it’s acting defensively in light of economic strangulation, which it views as an act of war. That doesn’t justify its acts but makes deterrence via one-off strikes harder & perhaps counter-productive.

If the enemy believes it’s already under attack and is lashing out (in its view) defensively, then limited strikes absent serious diplomatic initiatives are unlikely to change its mindset. Thus, there is a higher than normal risk of tit-for-tat escalation.

In terms of knowing yourself, there is lack of clarity in U.S. objectives on Iran. What are we trying to achieve via maximum pressure? The president states limited objectives (nuclear deal only) his advisors state maximalist objectives (12 points). US allies are equally confused.

If we can clarify objectives, how would strikes fit into the strategy? Are they more or less likely to bring Iran to the table? Are we prepared to further escalate if initial strikes lead to more provocations from Iran? (Prepared for escalation dominance? Ask now, not later.)

Trump’s ordered pause should be used to ask these and other hard questions about the strategy, its aims, and the mounting risks should the policy remain unchanged. Last night is the first time Trump took Iran policy off auto pilot and that’s good.

There are prudent response measures with clear objectives available — for example, an international coalition to protect shipping lanes — but that will take time, patience, and diplomacy. Time and patience should work to our benefit here (if used wisely).

— Brett McGurk (@brett_mcgurk) June 21, 2019

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"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 04:36 PM

And in pursuit of his unclear objectives, Trump has announced additional sanctions.

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 08:06 PM

View PostJackD, on 24 June 2019 - 04:36 PM, said:

And in pursuit of his unclear objectives, Trump has announced additional sanctions.

The objective is to receive a PCH sized envelop carrying a love letter from the Ayatollah. Then the autocrats would become bosom buddies.





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