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#301 JackD

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 11:25 AM

"They tried that." The Supreme Court let him get away with it on defense appropriations where he made a "colorable" argument about the wall being defense related. It's unclear how far they'll let him take that game.

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 11:37 AM

View PostJackD, on 14 February 2020 - 11:25 AM, said:

"They tried that." The Supreme Court let him get away with it on defense appropriations where he made a "colorable" argument about the wall being defense related. It's unclear how far they'll let him take that game.

It all depends on whether they think it would work, to begin with. If it comes down to how many divisions John Roberts has, they'll find a way to approve it.

After that, it also depends on whether they're looking at having a few more hard-core Trumpistas on the Court. They might stall until then.

In Roberts' best-case scenario, Trump can do the dirty work until Roberts and the other six Republicans on the Court can reverse Reynolds v Sims in time for 2024.
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Posted 14 February 2020 - 12:17 PM

Looks more and more as though, if they get the chance (doubtful), the Democrats should stack the court.

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 02:12 PM

View PostJackD, on 13 February 2020 - 09:17 PM, said:

They could hold back money. Money talks, especially with Trump.
I would guarantee that if Dumpster starts any military action, the pressure on Congress to "fund the troops" will make most all of them cave. Besides that, it's usually REPLENISHMENT that needs to be funded. We have the supplies and logistics to start any war, but not necessarily to sustain it for long. Once you've put soldiers in theater, no Congress-critters are going to dry up their supply lines and strand them.

He only F's over our Kurdish allies...

It's re-election suicide to do so with American troops.
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Posted 14 February 2020 - 02:18 PM

True that they can't do that with combat underway. Could happen during the runup. But would take a veto proof majority which they don't have. . . yet.

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 02:28 PM

View Postpnwguy, on 14 February 2020 - 02:12 PM, said:

It's re-election suicide to do so with American troops.

Are you joking? Trump has shit on the troops multiple times. The things he done would have caused white hot meltdowns by the now MAGAt crowd if Obama had done them. (Remember the searing hatred because he saluted once with a coffee cup in his hand?) They've brushed off each and every one.
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Posted 14 February 2020 - 06:59 PM

View PostLFC, on 14 February 2020 - 02:28 PM, said:

Are you joking? Trump has shit on the troops multiple times. The things he done would have caused white hot meltdowns by the now MAGAt crowd if Obama had done them. (Remember the searing hatred because he saluted once with a coffee cup in his hand?) They've brushed off each and every one.
I was referring to suicide for House and Senator members who would try to cut off Dumpster's money for a war. He'd blame THEM for letting troops die, not that Fat Donny put them in the killing zone.
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Posted 14 February 2020 - 08:32 PM

Move the combat-zone money from acquisitions. Or pay for combat with a surtax on capital gains.
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Posted 15 February 2020 - 11:47 AM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 14 February 2020 - 08:32 PM, said:

Move the combat-zone money from acquisitions. Or pay for combat with a surtax on capital gains.
Dream on...

I'm expecting that Dumpster won't actually care what's in the next budget, but just spend whatever he wants on things. Look at the "emergency" need for his vanity wall. His boss Vladimir isn't constrained by a budget, is he?

And which GOPers were saying that nothing was more patriotic during the Bush Iraq war than cutting taxes?
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Posted 15 February 2020 - 12:01 PM

View Postpnwguy, on 15 February 2020 - 11:47 AM, said:

I'm expecting that Dumpster won't actually care what's in the next budget, but just spend whatever he wants on things.

I think I already mentioned that. It's certainly where the Imperial Presidency is headed, but might be a bit premature in the next year.

I will grant that there's a very good chance of that happening after 2022 if he's reelected and keeps control of the Senate. We've been talking about banana republics, but that kind of borrow and spend is where they go if they decide they need to be popular with at least a large minority.
The way a lot of catastrophes happen is that X doesn't occur because there are safeguards in place, therefore people assume X isn't a worry and they remove the safeguards. Then X happens.
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"Robots aren't the problem. Capitalism is." -- Last words of Stephen Hawking.
These days, "libertarian" is just a euphemism for a Nazi who's afraid to commit.
"If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention." -- Heather Heyer
"I'd rather have my child, but by golly, if I gotta give her up, we're gonna make it count." -- Her mother
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