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#1 George Rowell

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 01:51 AM

The US has stationed war ships to 'send Iran a warning' and now tankers are getting bombed and the US blames Iran. The Houthis just got a missile through to Saudi Arabia injuring twenty-six people and the Saudis also blame - yes - Iran. The UK says they are taking a 'serious' view of the events and will as usual follow the US line.

Oil surged $4 in the last day. As always I ask who benefits most. Well Russia perhaps but it is not likely their doing. Evidence will soon be found with Made in Iran on it and there will be accusations and threats, but who is behind this? And yes it could be Iran, maybe the Ayatollah has a death wish. Maybe a miscalculation. I know two leaders who will be rubbing their hands in glee and anticipation, Netanyahu and Dtrump.

But I don't think it is either. My guess it is serious crime. The Russian and US mafia come to mind but there are many bad guys out there. Blow up a few tankers and your futures will make millions/billions and NO ONE will look too closely either. The US sure won't neither will the UK.
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Posted 14 June 2019 - 11:31 AM

 George Rowell, on 14 June 2019 - 01:51 AM, said:

The US has stationed war ships to 'send Iran a warning' and now tankers are getting bombed and the US blames Iran. The Houthis just got a missile through to Saudi Arabia injuring twenty-six people and the Saudis also blame - yes - Iran. The UK says they are taking a 'serious' view of the events and will as usual follow the US line.

Oil surged $4 in the last day. As always I ask who benefits most. Well Russia perhaps but it is not likely their doing. Evidence will soon be found with Made in Iran on it and there will be accusations and threats, but who is behind this? And yes it could be Iran, maybe the Ayatollah has a death wish. Maybe a miscalculation. I know two leaders who will be rubbing their hands in glee and anticipation, Netanyahu and Dtrump.

But I don't think it is either. My guess it is serious crime. The Russian and US mafia come to mind but there are many bad guys out there. Blow up a few tankers and your futures will make millions/billions and NO ONE will look too closely either. The US sure won't neither will the UK.
Just to further muddy this analysis:

Could be Revolutionary Guard who have massive business interests and who dislike the moderate government, a war would raise their stock.
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Posted 14 June 2019 - 12:01 PM

Seriously, this smells more of Gleiwitz than anything else (except perhaps the Golf of Tonkin.) "Torpedoing" or "limpet mining" neutral tankers above the water line? What possible upside would that have for the Iranian regime, which is doing very nicely just keeping peaceful and letting the USA be the cartoonishly-evil character in the play.
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Posted 14 June 2019 - 05:27 PM

It seems crazy to me that Iran is behind this, especially when they were hosting the Japanese PM. Russia has more to gain, both in global market chaos and financially from inflated oil prices. But then, a lot of the Iranian leadership seems self destructive at times.

With Bolton whispering into Dumpster's ear, I remain skeptical of anything blamed on Iran.
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Posted 14 June 2019 - 05:45 PM

There's also the serious problem of the administration's compulsive lying. Don't let them act without irrefutable proof.

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 05:48 PM

I keep wondering if Trump and company aren't trying something, anything, to distract from his polling numbers and interview with Stephanopoulos.

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 07:08 PM

 golden_valley, on 14 June 2019 - 05:48 PM, said:

I keep wondering if Trump and company aren't trying something, anything, to distract from his polling numbers and interview with Stephanopoulos.

I don't see any of Trump's base watching it, and post hoc any recordings are going to be easy to discount.
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Posted 14 June 2019 - 08:58 PM

The British home secretary Jeremy Hunt made this profound statement yesterday. “We have no reason NOT to believe the American assessment. And our instinct is to believe it because they are our closest ally.”

F--king unbelievable . Whoof whoof whoof

I feel so humiliated by this prick.
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Posted 14 June 2019 - 10:22 PM

How Iran willingly (naively) gave up $3.5 Trillion. While Russia barely financially benefited it cemented it's relations with Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, and Azerbaijan as client states over defining the Caspian Sea as a lake and other maneuvers.

https://oilprice.com...2-Trillion.html
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Posted 14 June 2019 - 10:32 PM

View PostGeorge Rowell, on 14 June 2019 - 08:58 PM, said:

The British home secretary Jeremy Hunt made this profound statement yesterday. “We have no reason NOT to believe the American assessment. And our instinct is to believe it because they are our closest ally.”

F--king unbelievable . Whoof whoof whoof

I feel so humiliated by this prick.

The US may be the UK's closest ally, but the UK will never be the US's, as long as Netanyahu is in power.
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Posted 14 June 2019 - 10:40 PM

View Postbaw1064, on 14 June 2019 - 10:32 PM, said:

The US may be the UK's closest ally, but the UK will never be the US's, as long as Netanyahu is in power.
I heard Trump talking to Netantahu. It went something like this.
Netanyahu. --Hi Dump
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Netanyahu. --Down boy
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Posted 14 June 2019 - 10:47 PM

View PostGeorge Rowell, on 14 June 2019 - 10:40 PM, said:

I heard Trump talking to Netantahu. It went something like this.
Netanyahu. --Hi Dump
Trump.--------Whoof Whoof
Netanyahu. --Down boy

Pretty much.
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Posted 15 June 2019 - 10:17 AM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 14 June 2019 - 07:08 PM, said:

I don't see any of Trump's base watching it, and post hoc any recordings are going to be easy to discount.

Trump cares about them even if his base doesn't see it on Fox. Otherwise he wouldn't be on Fox trying to discount them.

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Posted 17 June 2019 - 12:11 PM

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Posted 17 June 2019 - 08:53 PM

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Posted 19 June 2019 - 10:47 AM

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Posted 19 June 2019 - 09:36 PM

"We know how the story goes. The decision for war is made long in advance. That becomes the end point, and the evidence must be marshalled to achieve that goal. A long-lasting regime suddenly becomes an imminent threat. Exiles with minimal connections to their country of origin, but with fat bank balances, extensive links with rightwing thinktanks, multinational companies and western security services are wheeled out to solemnly declare that war must be waged on their homeland. A litany of never-ending human rights abuses is endlessly detailed: the sort ignored by our elites if they are committed by our allies, like the Saudi dictatorship, which has plunged Yemen into the world’s worst humanitarian crisis. Critics of war are demonised as stooges or useful idiots of an enemy that imperils national security and menaces its own people, and as haters of their own country --"


https://www.theguard...-justified-iraq
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Posted 19 June 2019 - 09:46 PM

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Göring: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.

Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.

Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.

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Posted 19 June 2019 - 11:45 PM

I feel like repurposing some 1980s lyrics...

And Iran
Iran so far away
And Iran
Iran both night and day
Couldn't get away
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Posted 20 June 2019 - 12:19 AM

Whoops, never heard of them. I missed out big time somewhere, too busy being boring and keeping out of debt. Being in Saudi Arabia probably did not help either. I liked that Roy Orbie fella who drove all night though. Still get that on youtube.
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