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#1 Rue Bella

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Posted 08 June 2019 - 10:56 AM

As someone who lives in a fire-prone area, and who has PG&E as provider, I wonder how often they will turn off power to us costumers. I hate power outages, but I hate wildfires more. Last year they cut us off for a few days because of a small nearby fire.

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Pacific Gas & Electric said it will shut off power Saturday to about 1,600 customers in Northern California and may do the same for thousands more to reduce the risk of wildfires.

The utility announced Friday night that as of Saturday morning it will turn off electricity to customers in Napa, Solano and Yolo counties west of Sacramento.

The utility said it also will monitor conditions in parts of the Sierra foothills Saturday night through Sunday when they will be at peak fire risk. The company said it could decide to cut power to 30,000 customers in Butte, Yuba, Nevada, El Dorado and Placer counties.

That includes portions of Paradise, where a wildfire wiped out nearly 15,000 homes last year.

The warning came as forecasters issued the year's first red flag warning of high fire danger because of strong winds, low humidity and warm temperatures in portions of the Central Valley and areas north of San Francisco.

After downed power lines and PG&E equipment were blamed for previous fires, the utility has been under enormous pressure to avoid another deadly blaze.

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Posted 10 June 2019 - 09:11 AM

I suspect generator sales will be increasing in California. We had a crazy weather system go through our area last week. I ran into 12 separate road blockages trying to get home from work and saw several others that didn't impact me. We ended up being without power for 2+ days. When it's 80+ F and high humidity it sure is nice to know your AC is still running.
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Posted 10 June 2019 - 10:16 AM

Why do people live in California, I wonder. Earthquakes, droughts, wildfires, huge arid desert land, horrible commute, extremely high cost of living, homelessness in SFO, hippies! etc. etc.... And then I remember the PCH, the national parks, the variety in cuisine, the people, the industries...

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Posted 10 June 2019 - 10:23 AM

View PostProbabilistic, on 10 June 2019 - 10:16 AM, said:

Why do people live in California, I wonder. Earthquakes, droughts, wildfires, huge arid desert land, horrible commute, extremely high cost of living, homelessness in SFO, hippies! etc. etc.... And then I remember the PCH, the national parks, the variety in cuisine, the people, the industries...

Spoken like somebody who has never been to Kansas. Or Oklahoma. Or much of Texas. ;)
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Posted 10 June 2019 - 10:50 AM

View PostLFC, on 10 June 2019 - 10:23 AM, said:

Spoken like somebody who has never been to Kansas. Or Oklahoma. Or much of Texas. ;)

I haven't been to OK but have been to the other two states. Visit TX often for work. Spent 2 years commuting to Dallas and Houston, on a consulting gig, flying in and out, Mon-Thu. Similarly, visit CA often too. I can imagine living in Dallas or Austin but not in TX; can't afford CA.

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Posted 10 June 2019 - 11:12 AM

View PostProbabilistic, on 10 June 2019 - 10:50 AM, said:

I haven't been to OK but have been to the other two states. Visit TX often for work. Spent 2 years commuting to Dallas and Houston, on a consulting gig, flying in and out, Mon-Thu. Similarly, visit CA often too. I can imagine living in Dallas or Austin but not in TX; can't afford CA.

Texas does have some enclaves but I've been through a chunk of the flat country and out near El Paso. No thanks. California has a lot of advantages but there are just too many people for our taste. And, as you note, it's crazy expensive in the areas where we'd be interested in living.

One thing I have always loved about living in the Philadelphia area is how different things are within an 8+ hour drive. (I'm one of those people who don't consider a drive to be "long" until it's at least double digits.) I can be in Bangor, ME, either Ottawa or Montreal with time to spare, Algonquin Provincial Park, Cincinnati (if I had any reason to go), just about anywhere in West Virginia, Virginia, and most of North Carolina, and as far south as Myrtle Beach, SC. That's some serious variety for an easy day's drive. You don't get anything like that in the middle of the country.
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Posted 10 June 2019 - 01:32 PM

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I suspect generator sales will be increasing in California.

And batteries. It will be interesting how this plays out. PG&E is doing it, in part, to cover their asses, but when enough people have been inconvenienced, and for long periods of time, they will start to complain. Not to mention all the food that will spoil if freezers

As for living in California, especially near the coast, I love it here. But unless you have $$$, or a good paying job, or are super frugal, you almost have to be grand-fathered in. Fortunately we had parents who bought an average home in the mid 50's and 'rode it up'.

Lots of people I know have used their long-owned Cali homes as their retirement savings. Sell their tract house for close to a million, and move to a more modest part of the state.
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Posted 10 June 2019 - 01:40 PM

View PostRue Bella, on 10 June 2019 - 01:32 PM, said:

And batteries. It will be interesting how this plays out. PG&E is doing it, in part, to cover their asses, but when enough people have been inconvenienced, and for long periods of time, they will start to complain. Not to mention all the food that will spoil if freezers

Sounds like a perfect market for the Tesla Powerwall.
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Posted 10 June 2019 - 05:08 PM

I and my fellow former Midwesterners who live in CA agree that we'd rather face earthquakes than tornadoes. Earthquakes are usually far more infrequent.

I wonder though about PG & E's decisions to cut power. Are they trying to hold us hostage to get the legislature to limit their liability for PG & E caused fires?

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Posted 10 June 2019 - 06:25 PM

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I and my fellow former Midwesterners who live in CA agree that we'd rather face earthquakes than tornadoes. Earthquakes are usually far more infrequent.

Shhhhh, shhhhhhhhh! Dont tell them! Let them continue to fear the earthquakes, wildfires, mudslides, droughts... We really don't want more people moving here looking to share our Paradise, do we?


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I wonder though about PG & E's decisions to cut power. Are they trying to hold us hostage to get the legislature to limit their liability for PG & E caused fires?

That would be my guess.
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Posted 10 June 2019 - 07:01 PM

Alternately, more storage on the grid is more storage on the grid.
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Posted 11 June 2019 - 09:03 AM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 10 June 2019 - 07:01 PM, said:

Alternately, more storage on the grid is more storage on the grid.

Can you explain? Something like money in the bank, I assume. The less you spend, the more remains.

Thanks.
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Posted 29 October 2019 - 08:51 PM

https://www.latimes....nia-fires-winds

"Massive new power outages expected across California as powerful winds return"

If you want to see a list of current and potential shut-offs, check here: https://www.sce.com/...y/wildfire/psps

This is a major mess and something, somehow has got to change. Their maps of grids are horrible with few roads marked, their website is horrible and unresponsive, calling in you get inaccurate information, and they don't always give notice - though they say they will. Today our power was supposed to be off for regular maintenance, but that was rescheduled well after it was supposed to go off. Some neighbors were notified, others weren't. It's a real mess with many unhappy people (I think that's their real goal) - and that does not include the numerous fires and evacuations.
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Posted 29 October 2019 - 09:35 PM

https://www.cbsnews....-investigation/


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California accuses PG&E of mishandling power outages and endangering lives amid wildfires

California's largest utility, Pacific Gas and Electric Company (PG&E), now says the two wildfires that broke out Sunday less than 20 miles northeast of San Francisco in Lafayette may have been caused by its own electrical malfunctions. Despite cutting power to more than 2.5 million people, the electricity was not turned off in the area because it wasn't designated as high risk.

"If we did go into a mode where we wanted to prevent everything from happening then we'd have to shut the whole system down and that's just not acceptable," PG&E president and CEO Andy Vesey said.

The utility also says it failed to notify 23,000 customers including 500 with medical conditions before shutting off their power. Now the state is launching an investigation into the utility's strategy and the threat it poses to the people caught in the middle of it, reports CBS News correspondent Jonathan Vigliotti.

"We're going to investigate all of this and we're going to make determinations as to culpability," California Gov. Gavin Newsom said.

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Because of the wind concern in Northern California, PG&E said it will move forward with its third power outage in a week. This time, as many as 3.8 million people could be impacted across 29 counties.


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